Golden State Warriors Win The Draft Lottery And Trade For Joel Embiid...

[killmongrel]

Apart from what Texas Chuck said, GSW fans, please stop with the narrative that Wiggins is suddenly not an awful player just because he's on the Warriors.

I hated the trade, but if the Warriors turn him into a solid role player, then he's all of a sudden not an awful player.

You can't compare Minnesota's losing culture to that of the Warriors.

How did the Warriors culture improve Russell?

I have no idea if it did or not. He only spent half a season here. But Russell's situation might have been different regardless, considering he had just come off from a successful campaign the year before of helping the Nets go to the playoffs. So it's not like he had to be rehabilitated in any way. The only goal the Warriors probably had with him, after Steph's injury, was just to make sure he didn't become an untradeable contract.

With that said, again, as long as the Warriors can turn and keep Wiggins looking like a good role player, then that means he's not an awful player. Small sample size so far. So it's about how he looks the rest of the way, especially next season with Steph and Klay, if he's still here.

[Commodor]

I hated the trade, but if the Warriors turn him into a solid role player, then he's all of a sudden not an awful player.

You can't compare Minnesota's losing culture to that of the Warriors.

How did the Warriors culture improve Russell?

I have no idea if it did or not. He only spent half a season here. But Russell's situation might have been different regardless, considering he had just come off from a successful campaign the year before of helping the Nets go to the playoffs. So it's not like he had to be rehabilitated in any way. The only goal the Warriors probably had with him, after Steph's injury, was just to make sure he didn't become an untradeable contract.

With that said, again, as long as the Warriors can turn and keep Wiggins looking like a good role player, then that means he's not an awful player. Small sample size so far. So it's about how he looks the rest of the way, especially next season with Steph and Klay, if he's still here.

Russell averaged his career high in scoring while with GSW.

The FO were able to flip him on a max contract for a lightly protected FRP that should be very valuable. Plus Wiggins, who looks like the FO targeted despite Realgm opinions to the contrary.

Lakers got 27th pick and brook lopez for him on his rookie deal+mozgov.

I’d argue GSW maximized DLo’s value better than any other team yet.

Unless you consider KD’s forced sign and trade as a better return, but that’s a little different.

[killmongrel]

How did the Warriors culture improve Russell?

I have no idea if it did or not. He only spent half a season here. But Russell's situation might have been different regardless, considering he had just come off from a successful campaign the year before of helping the Nets go to the playoffs. So it's not like he had to be rehabilitated in any way. The only goal the Warriors probably had with him, after Steph's injury, was just to make sure he didn't become an untradeable contract.

With that said, again, as long as the Warriors can turn and keep Wiggins looking like a good role player, then that means he's not an awful player. Small sample size so far. So it's about how he looks the rest of the way, especially next season with Steph and Klay, if he's still here.

Russell averaged his career high in scoring while with GSW.

The FO were able to flip him on a max contract for a lightly protected FRP that should be very valuable. Plus Wiggins, who looks like the FO targeted despite Realgm opinions to the contrary.

Lakers got 27th pick and brook lopez for him on his rookie deal+mozgov.

I’d argue GSW maximized DLo’s value better than any other team yet.

Unless you consider KD’s forced sign and trade as a better return, but that’s a little different.

I agree. It's easier to argue that the Warriors culture was actually good for DLO than to argue that it was a detriment. He looked good during his time here.

[BullyKing]

How did the Warriors culture improve Russell?

I have no idea if it did or not. He only spent half a season here. But Russell's situation might have been different regardless, considering he had just come off from a successful campaign the year before of helping the Nets go to the playoffs. So it's not like he had to be rehabilitated in any way. The only goal the Warriors probably had with him, after Steph's injury, was just to make sure he didn't become an untradeable contract.

With that said, again, as long as the Warriors can turn and keep Wiggins looking like a good role player, then that means he's not an awful player. Small sample size so far. So it's about how he looks the rest of the way, especially next season with Steph and Klay, if he's still here.

Russell averaged his career high in scoring while with GSW.

The FO were able to flip him on a max contract for a lightly protected FRP that should be very valuable. Plus Wiggins, who looks like the FO targeted despite Realgm opinions to the contrary.

Lakers got 27th pick and brook lopez for him on his rookie deal+mozgov.

I’d argue GSW maximized DLo’s value better than any other team yet.

Unless you consider KD’s forced sign and trade as a better return, but that’s a little different.

Surprised to see you thinking this was a good deal for GSW given that you previously thought a S&T of KD might bring you Kawhi.

So what are the chances we swoop in on the Kawhi sweepstakes?

GSW In: Kawhi
Toronto in: Wiggins + Picks
Min In: Dlo
BKN in: KD

Plus whatever fillers are needed to make it work. I think Minny could be pushed to offload picks so TOR takes wiggins. We may be able to throw one in too.

But I'm happy you now seem to see Wiggins as an asset. Quite the turnaround from thinking Minnesota should have to throw in multiple picks and GSW as well to "offload" Wiggins.

[Commodor]

I have no idea if it did or not. He only spent half a season here. But Russell's situation might have been different regardless, considering he had just come off from a successful campaign the year before of helping the Nets go to the playoffs. So it's not like he had to be rehabilitated in any way. The only goal the Warriors probably had with him, after Steph's injury, was just to make sure he didn't become an untradeable contract.

With that said, again, as long as the Warriors can turn and keep Wiggins looking like a good role player, then that means he's not an awful player. Small sample size so far. So it's about how he looks the rest of the way, especially next season with Steph and Klay, if he's still here.

Russell averaged his career high in scoring while with GSW.

The FO were able to flip him on a max contract for a lightly protected FRP that should be very valuable. Plus Wiggins, who looks like the FO targeted despite Realgm opinions to the contrary.

Lakers got 27th pick and brook lopez for him on his rookie deal+mozgov.

I’d argue GSW maximized DLo’s value better than any other team yet.

Unless you consider KD’s forced sign and trade as a better return, but that’s a little different.

Surprised to see you thinking this was a good deal for GSW given that you previously thought a S&T of KD might bring you Kawhi.

So what are the chances we swoop in on the Kawhi sweepstakes?

GSW In: Kawhi
Toronto in: Wiggins + Picks
Min In: Dlo
BKN in: KD

Plus whatever fillers are needed to make it work. I think Minny could be pushed to offload picks so TOR takes wiggins. We may be able to throw one in too.

But I'm happy you now seem to see Wiggins as an asset. Quite the turnaround from thinking Minnesota should have to throw in multiple picks and GSW as well to "offload" Wiggins.

My feelings on Wiggins are undecided, and not even stated here. I am just stating all comments coming from the warriors FO seem to point towards they wanted him.

I do like the pick a lot though. Thought we should be able get them to include the Brooklyn pick too, but I’m greedy.

[killmongrel]

Russell averaged his career high in scoring while with GSW.

The FO were able to flip him on a max contract for a lightly protected FRP that should be very valuable. Plus Wiggins, who looks like the FO targeted despite Realgm opinions to the contrary.

Lakers got 27th pick and brook lopez for him on his rookie deal+mozgov.

I’d argue GSW maximized DLo’s value better than any other team yet.

Unless you consider KD’s forced sign and trade as a better return, but that’s a little different.

Surprised to see you thinking this was a good deal for GSW given that you previously thought a S&T of KD might bring you Kawhi.

So what are the chances we swoop in on the Kawhi sweepstakes?

GSW In: Kawhi
Toronto in: Wiggins + Picks
Min In: Dlo
BKN in: KD

Plus whatever fillers are needed to make it work. I think Minny could be pushed to offload picks so TOR takes wiggins. We may be able to throw one in too.

But I'm happy you now seem to see Wiggins as an asset. Quite the turnaround from thinking Minnesota should have to throw in multiple picks and GSW as well to "offload" Wiggins.

My feelings on Wiggins are undecided, and not even stated here. I am just stating all comments coming from the warriors FO seem to point towards they wanted him.

I do like the pick a lot though. Thought we should be able get them to include the Brooklyn pick too, but I’m greedy.

I'm just wondering when that happened. Like did they want him before he had a good season with Minny, or after. But hey, there's a reason they make the decisions, and we're all here just pretending to be gms on a message board.

[BullyKing]

Russell averaged his career high in scoring while with GSW.

The FO were able to flip him on a max contract for a lightly protected FRP that should be very valuable. Plus Wiggins, who looks like the FO targeted despite Realgm opinions to the contrary.

Lakers got 27th pick and brook lopez for him on his rookie deal+mozgov.

I’d argue GSW maximized DLo’s value better than any other team yet.

Unless you consider KD’s forced sign and trade as a better return, but that’s a little different.

Surprised to see you thinking this was a good deal for GSW given that you previously thought a S&T of KD might bring you Kawhi.

So what are the chances we swoop in on the Kawhi sweepstakes?

GSW In: Kawhi
Toronto in: Wiggins + Picks
Min In: Dlo
BKN in: KD

Plus whatever fillers are needed to make it work. I think Minny could be pushed to offload picks so TOR takes wiggins. We may be able to throw one in too.

But I'm happy you now seem to see Wiggins as an asset. Quite the turnaround from thinking Minnesota should have to throw in multiple picks and GSW as well to "offload" Wiggins.

My feelings on Wiggins are undecided, and not even stated here. I am just stating all comments coming from the warriors FO seem to point towards they wanted him.

I do like the pick a lot though. Thought we should be able get them to include the Brooklyn pick too, but I’m greedy.

I'm not sure why you'd put any stock into "all comments from the warriors FO seem to point towards they wanted him." They may very well have wanted him though I find it hard to believe. But it's not like they'd be saying anything different if they felt otherwise.

[Commodor]

Surprised to see you thinking this was a good deal for GSW given that you previously thought a S&T of KD might bring you Kawhi.



But I'm happy you now seem to see Wiggins as an asset. Quite the turnaround from thinking Minnesota should have to throw in multiple picks and GSW as well to "offload" Wiggins.

My feelings on Wiggins are undecided, and not even stated here. I am just stating all comments coming from the warriors FO seem to point towards they wanted him.

I do like the pick a lot though. Thought we should be able get them to include the Brooklyn pick too, but I’m greedy.

I'm not sure why you'd put any stock into "all comments from the warriors FO seem to point towards they wanted him." They may very well have wanted him though I find it hard to believe. But it's not like they'd be saying anything different if they felt otherwise.

Kerr’s comments on Wiggins’ fit in the offense and vision of role on the team is where I am getting the feeling. A lot more positive and concise than when we acquired Dlo. Of course there’s always better options, but again the pick is really the value in my eyes anyways. I am very unsure on Wiggins personally.

But back to my old trade idea, the wolves did throw in two picks to get Russell. At the time of that post I thought Minny would be more competitive so my prediction would be 2 1sts in the 7-15 range. As they are still not in that range, I understand why it was a high 1 and a 2nd instead.

Really, other than Kawhi choosing LA, my trade idea back then was almost exactly reality.

[Mamba4Goat]

Embiid for Klay and GS's 1st this year is closer than Wiggins and 2 1sts.

[killmongrel]

Embiid for Klay and GS's 1st this year is closer than Wiggins and 2 1sts.

Steph and Klay are the only untouchables in GS. I personally don't think there's any deal to be made between the two teams if the price for Embiid is still that high. Great player, but he's projected to be playing, what, around 60 games again this season? I'd rather keep championship blood on the team.

[Coxy]

Embiid for Klay and GS's 1st this year is closer than Wiggins and 2 1sts.

Obviously anything can happen, but I seriously doubt the Warriors ever trade either Steph or Klay.

[Mamba4Goat]

Embiid for Klay and GS's 1st this year is closer than Wiggins and 2 1sts.

Obviously anything can happen, but I seriously doubt the Warriors ever trade either Steph or Klay.

Yeah, I don't expect either trade to happen. I just don't think OP is close.

[Warriorfan]

Id gamble GS can hit the right lottery guys.
Plus that Wiggins can improve on D/ efficiency

2022 GS will have a max salary slot with a trade of Wiggins and 34 yo Curry playing for MLE

good luck with that.

See Duncan Manu and Parker plus its only 1 year

See Payton, Malone see Dirk

[Warriorfan]

Apart from what Texas Chuck said, GSW fans, please stop with the narrative that Wiggins is suddenly not an awful player just because he's on the Warriors.

I hated the trade, but if the Warriors turn him into a solid role player, then he's all of a sudden not an awful player.

You can't compare Minnesota's losing culture to that of the Warriors.

How did the Warriors culture improve Russell?

Culture is Curry the superstar and lesser degree Thompson.

[Warriorfan]

Warriors need a new Bogut, a new Andre and a new Livingston.

A lesser C will do you need the other assets to get the wings.

Think you're sipping the "Strength in Numbers" kool aid a bit too much

Larger C Rim Protector, Combo Guard, Defensive Swingman

[jayjaysee]

Id gamble GS can hit the right lottery guys.
Plus that Wiggins can improve on D/ efficiency

2022 GS will have a max salary slot with a trade of Wiggins and 34 yo Curry playing for MLE

good luck with that.

See Duncan Manu and Parker plus its only 1 year

See Payton, Malone see Dirk

Age 34 were Dirk, Duncan, Manu.. third highest salaries of their careers.

Parker’s age 34.. second most expensive. And he was kind of broken at that point.

Glove’s 34..most expensive.

Malone didn’t actually start making big money until after he was 34, so weird example unless you just were remembering he signed for cheap with the Lakers? He was 40...

I think you were just remembering “vets take discounts”... But Curry won’t be old enough for that yet, sorry.

[Warriorfan]

good luck with that.

See Duncan Manu and Parker plus its only 1 year

See Payton, Malone see Dirk

Age 34 were Dirk, Duncan, Manu.. third highest salaries of their careers.

Parker’s age 34.. second most expensive. And he was kind of broken at that point.

Glove’s 34..most expensive.

Malone didn’t actually start making big money until after he was 34, so weird example unless you just were remembering he signed for cheap with the Lakers? He was 40...

I think you were just remembering “vets take discounts”... But Curry won’t be old enough for that yet, sorry.

Would you to add a superstar. Curry offerred to give a discount on previous contract .

Plus Steph and Klay are sons of a millionaires so different

[jimmy keys]

Id gamble GS can hit the right lottery guys.
Plus that Wiggins can improve on D/ efficiency

2022 GS will have a max salary slot with a trade of Wiggins and 34 yo Curry playing for MLE

good luck with that.

See Duncan Manu and Parker plus its only 1 year

See Payton, Malone see Dirk

good luck with that.

[jayjaysee]

See Duncan Manu and Parker plus its only 1 year

See Payton, Malone see Dirk

Age 34 were Dirk, Duncan, Manu.. third highest salaries of their careers.

Parker’s age 34.. second most expensive. And he was kind of broken at that point.

Glove’s 34..most expensive.

Malone didn’t actually start making big money until after he was 34, so weird example unless you just were remembering he signed for cheap with the Lakers? He was 40...

I think you were just remembering “vets take discounts”... But Curry won’t be old enough for that yet, sorry.

Would you to add a superstar. Curry offerred to give a discount on previous contract .

Plus Steph and Klay are sons of a millionaires so different

The post I replied to was you trying to show a precedent. I just was showing the difference there and how none are similar at all to what you’re suggesting Curry do..

Now this one? Revisionist.

So Curry signed for a “discount”... You mean his first extension? This was not a discount. This was Curry securing himself because of his ankles.

It was very public knowledge that GS wouldn’t give him the max unless he stayed healthy the entire season. And he choose to sign at a lesser amount as a way to secure his future.

It worked out to be the best non-rookie contract in the history of the league. But it wasn’t Curry doing the Warriors a favor.

And that has been public knowledge for a few years.. Like 7 of them now..

And I really don’t feel a need to respond to straws about Curry/Thompson’s parents. That has absolutely nothing to do with either of those players. I guarantee you neither one of the Warrior’s have needed to ask their parents for money in a few years.

[Warriorfan]

Age 34 were Dirk, Duncan, Manu.. third highest salaries of their careers.

Parker’s age 34.. second most expensive. And he was kind of broken at that point.

Glove’s 34..most expensive.

Malone didn’t actually start making big money until after he was 34, so weird example unless you just were remembering he signed for cheap with the Lakers? He was 40...

I think you were just remembering “vets take discounts”... But Curry won’t be old enough for that yet, sorry.

Would you to add a superstar. Curry offerred to give a discount on previous contract .

Plus Steph and Klay are sons of a millionaires so different

The post I replied to was you trying to show a precedent. I just was showing the difference there and how none are similar at all to what you’re suggesting Curry do..

Now this one? Revisionist.

So Curry signed for a “discount”... You mean his first extension? This was not a discount. This was Curry securing himself because of his ankles.

It was very public knowledge that GS wouldn’t give him the max unless he stayed healthy the entire season. And he choose to sign at a lesser amount as a way to secure his future.

It worked out to be the best non-rookie contract in the history of the league. But it wasn’t Curry doing the Warriors a favor.

And that has been public knowledge for a few years.. Like 7 of them now..

And I really don’t feel a need to respond to straws about Curry/Thompson’s parents. That has absolutely nothing to do with either of those players. I guarantee you neither one of the Warrior’s have needed to ask their parents for money in a few years.

You are incorrect

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/steph-curry-asked-bob-myers-about-taking-discount-contract

Did KD give a discount to resign with GS as well.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/07/03/kevin-durant-warriors-free-agency-contract-grades
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