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Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET

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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#41 » by Invictus88 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:41 am

BDM22 wrote:It will be interesting to see how this board turns on Wood next year after he gets PAID and suddenly expectations are higher.

That is, if he even decides to stick with us given how Casey has treated him.


Wood isn't eligible for anything near what Andre made afaict. Wood doesn't commit really stupid turnovers on a regular basis; doing really obvious things that are outside his skill-set. Wood can shoot from the outside but seems to play within himself.

He could get paid substantially more than he is now with his current production and no one would bat an eye.
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Post#42 » by 7r5ur » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:51 am

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BDM22 wrote:It will be interesting to see how this board turns on Wood next year after he gets PAID and suddenly expectations are higher.

That is, if he even decides to stick with us given how Casey has treated him.


Wood isn't eligible for anything near what Andre made afaict. Wood doesn't commit really stupid turnovers on a regular basis; doing really obvious things that are outside his skill-set. Wood can shoot from the outside but seems to play within himself.

He could get paid substantially more than he is now with his current production and no one would bat an eye.


Do you know how much he’s eligible for? Ie what’s the biggest contract we could offer him?

It’ll be interesting though. With how much better he has been than expected offensively it’s easy to overlook his defense. Once people start to take the offense for granted, they’ll start picking apart the other side a bit more. Like with Andre’s big numbers. Eventually the excitement of that wears off.
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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#43 » by thesack12 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:10 am

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Invictus88 wrote:
BDM22 wrote:It will be interesting to see how this board turns on Wood next year after he gets PAID and suddenly expectations are higher.

That is, if he even decides to stick with us given how Casey has treated him.


Wood isn't eligible for anything near what Andre made afaict. Wood doesn't commit really stupid turnovers on a regular basis; doing really obvious things that are outside his skill-set. Wood can shoot from the outside but seems to play within himself.

He could get paid substantially more than he is now with his current production and no one would bat an eye.


Do you know how much he’s eligible for? Ie what’s the biggest contract we could offer him?

It’ll be interesting though. With how much better he has been than expected offensively it’s easy to overlook his defense. Once people start to take the offense for granted, they’ll start picking apart the other side a bit more. Like with Andre’s big numbers. Eventually the excitement of that wears off.


Well most people don't seem to be concerned with Kennard's horrendous defense, so I don't know how much picking Wood apart there will be on that front.
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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#44 » by thesack12 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:13 am

So with Svi now back and Kennard & Thomas slated to return soon, hopefully that means the end of Snell playing 30+ minutes a night.

Detroit really should give Khyri a fair shake to see what they actually have in him. There really is no legitimate reason not to give him a shot at this point.
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Post#45 » by Billl » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:45 am

Thank god rose couldn't throw it in the ocean tonight. Can't afford to win games like this.
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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#46 » by Knightro » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:56 am

Christian Wood is a really talented player who also plays really hard which is a great combo.

I hope you guys resign him because he’s got a really nice modern 4/5 skill set offensively.

A lot of bigs can rim run out of pick and roll. A lot of others can pick and pop out to the 3PT line. Not a huge number of guys out there that can effectively do both and it appears Wood is one of them.
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Post#47 » by 7r5ur » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:00 am

thesack12 wrote:
BDM22 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
Wood isn't eligible for anything near what Andre made afaict. Wood doesn't commit really stupid turnovers on a regular basis; doing really obvious things that are outside his skill-set. Wood can shoot from the outside but seems to play within himself.

He could get paid substantially more than he is now with his current production and no one would bat an eye.


Do you know how much he’s eligible for? Ie what’s the biggest contract we could offer him?

It’ll be interesting though. With how much better he has been than expected offensively it’s easy to overlook his defense. Once people start to take the offense for granted, they’ll start picking apart the other side a bit more. Like with Andre’s big numbers. Eventually the excitement of that wears off.


Well most people don't seem to be concerned with Kennard's horrendous defense, so I don't know how much picking Wood apart there will be on that front.


Haha, yeah right. Half of the board couldn't wait to throw Kennard away for any crappy pick in a bad draft that was being dangled our way. They have definitely turned on him already. This happens to everyone around here. It's only a matter of time for Wood, if we keep him around.
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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#48 » by Snakebites » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:18 am

Knightro wrote:Christian Wood is a really talented player who also plays really hard which is a great combo.

I hope you guys resign him because he’s got a really nice modern 4/5 skill set offensively.

A lot of bigs can rim run out of pick and roll. A lot of others can pick and pop out to the 3PT line. Not a huge number of guys out there that can effectively do both and it appears Wood is one of them.

Yeah, I'm definitely a fan of his. I think the Drummond trade paves the way to us resigning him. He might get an offer somewhere else, but probably not with the opportunity we'd have with him in terms of playing time.

There isn’t a great deal out there in terms of teams with money to burn. I don’t think you’re going to see as many dumb contracts.
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Post#49 » by Moses ShamMoses » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:47 pm

If Christian keeps with his current production along with his desired skill-set (big who can play inside and outside), I don't see a reason why he wouldn't get several full MLE offers from teams. Detroit will probably need to up-the-ante a little past the MLE to get a deal done. So I'm guessing a $30M/3 year deal; 3rd year Team Option.
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Post#50 » by flow » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:51 pm

Snakebites wrote:
Knightro wrote:Christian Wood is a really talented player who also plays really hard which is a great combo.

I hope you guys resign him because he’s got a really nice modern 4/5 skill set offensively.

A lot of bigs can rim run out of pick and roll. A lot of others can pick and pop out to the 3PT line. Not a huge number of guys out there that can effectively do both and it appears Wood is one of them.

Yeah, I'm definitely a fan of his. I think the Drummond trade paves the way to us resigning him. He might get an offer somewhere else, but probably not with the opportunity we'd have with him in terms of playing time.

There isn’t a great deal out there in terms of teams with money to burn. I don’t think you’re going to see as many dumb contracts.


I hope you're right. I'm worried that because the free agency class is so thin, someone will overpay for him.

To think we were close to making him our final cut is maddening (though claiming him in the first place is the best move Stefanski has made). He's a good young player. Would hate to lose him.

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Post#51 » by NYPiston » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:23 pm

We're starting to see some separation and it's now looking like a suckathon battle for 4-8 between the Bulls, Knicks, Hornets, Wizards and T-Wolves. The Cavs, Hawks and Warriors look fairly locked in to the bottom 3 and the Wizards, Suns and Kings should be clear of that sucky 2nd tier of tankers.
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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#52 » by NYPiston » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:26 pm

BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
BDM22 wrote:
Do you know how much he’s eligible for? Ie what’s the biggest contract we could offer him?

It’ll be interesting though. With how much better he has been than expected offensively it’s easy to overlook his defense. Once people start to take the offense for granted, they’ll start picking apart the other side a bit more. Like with Andre’s big numbers. Eventually the excitement of that wears off.


Well most people don't seem to be concerned with Kennard's horrendous defense, so I don't know how much picking Wood apart there will be on that front.


Haha, yeah right. Half of the board couldn't wait to throw Kennard away for any crappy pick in a bad draft that was being dangled our way. They have definitely turned on him already. This happens to everyone around here. It's only a matter of time for Wood, if we keep him around.


That's mostly because of Kennard's chronic knee issues, not necessarily because of his game. I think most Pistons fans like him for what he is.

Also, the Pistons have sucked for a decade so fans tend to turn on the players who are a part of the suck. This shouldn't surprise you.
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Post#53 » by Invictus88 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:42 pm

BDM22 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
BDM22 wrote:It will be interesting to see how this board turns on Wood next year after he gets PAID and suddenly expectations are higher.

That is, if he even decides to stick with us given how Casey has treated him.


Wood isn't eligible for anything near what Andre made afaict. Wood doesn't commit really stupid turnovers on a regular basis; doing really obvious things that are outside his skill-set. Wood can shoot from the outside but seems to play within himself.

He could get paid substantially more than he is now with his current production and no one would bat an eye.


Do you know how much he’s eligible for? Ie what’s the biggest contract we could offer him?

It’ll be interesting though. With how much better he has been than expected offensively it’s easy to overlook his defense. Once people start to take the offense for granted, they’ll start picking apart the other side a bit more. Like with Andre’s big numbers. Eventually the excitement of that wears off.


So I was wrong here. From what I can tell his upper limit (being in the league < 6 years) is 25% of the salary cap which is 116 million in 2021; so 29 million. I thought I had read somewhere that it was based off of in part previous contract levels but I don't see thst anywhere.

Now with all of that said, I don't think he makes anywhere *near* that amount. He just doesn't have the history of sustained success to warrant it; having bounced around the league before we snatched him up.

I'd hazard a wild guess it would be somewhere in the 10 to low teens? But that really is a guess.
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Post#54 » by edmunder_prc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:55 pm

ATL might swoop in. Or Knicks. Seems like they both will have money to burn, though the Knicks don't need more PFs? Morris was traded?

ATL would have Capela, Collins and Wood. Strong PF/C group.
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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#55 » by edmunder_prc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:59 pm

BDM22 wrote:
Haha, yeah right. Half of the board couldn't wait to throw Kennard away for any crappy pick in a bad draft that was being dangled our way. They have definitely turned on him already. This happens to everyone around here. It's only a matter of time for Wood, if we keep him around.


Its because he is missing valuable playing time every year, it seems.

I actually thought Kennard was "injured" once the team started losing a bunch to get Svi more playing time. I still think Reggie could have been playing much, much sooner. Markieff was out a while, not sure how hurt he was.

Anyways, if Kennard really is hurt, tendinitis doesnt go away. He is Blake-light now with the knee issues. Same with Reggie. These guys have chronic injuries that can start at any time and be out for the rest of the season. Thats not the way to build a team, trying to have a starting 5 that all have chronic injuries that can be out at any time, for any length of time.
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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#56 » by Manocad » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:07 am

edmunder_prc wrote:
BDM22 wrote:
Haha, yeah right. Half of the board couldn't wait to throw Kennard away for any crappy pick in a bad draft that was being dangled our way. They have definitely turned on him already. This happens to everyone around here. It's only a matter of time for Wood, if we keep him around.


Its because he is missing valuable playing time every year, it seems.

I actually thought Kennard was "injured" once the team started losing a bunch to get Svi more playing time. I still think Reggie could have been playing much, much sooner. Markieff was out a while, not sure how hurt he was.

Anyways, if Kennard really is hurt, tendinitis doesnt go away. He is Blake-light now with the knee issues. Same with Reggie. These guys have chronic injuries that can start at any time and be out for the rest of the season. Thats not the way to build a team, trying to have a starting 5 that all have chronic injuries that can be out at any time, for any length of time.

I tried the same argument to no avail. Yes, tendinitis can be "cured" in the sense that the body can return to 100% normal. It however cannot be "cured" in the sense that it will never happen again.
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Re: Game 57: Detroit Pistons (19-37) @ Orlando Magic (23-31) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#57 » by MrBigShot » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:45 am

BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
BDM22 wrote:
Do you know how much he’s eligible for? Ie what’s the biggest contract we could offer him?

It’ll be interesting though. With how much better he has been than expected offensively it’s easy to overlook his defense. Once people start to take the offense for granted, they’ll start picking apart the other side a bit more. Like with Andre’s big numbers. Eventually the excitement of that wears off.


Well most people don't seem to be concerned with Kennard's horrendous defense, so I don't know how much picking Wood apart there will be on that front.


Haha, yeah right. Half of the board couldn't wait to throw Kennard away for any crappy pick in a bad draft that was being dangled our way. They have definitely turned on him already. This happens to everyone around here. It's only a matter of time for Wood, if we keep him around.


Precisely what went through my mind reading the Wood praise recently. Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
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