Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

[RiotPunch]

In other threads we've talked about the model for building around Giannis, and whether it's better to have a bunch of tough all-around try-hards or knock down shooters. With Saddiq Bey and Devin Vassell, you don't have to choose. Give me both.

Saddiq reminds be a lot of Khris, but seems to be an even slower version to me. He's so damn crafty with the ball though, is smart on D and can stroke it from all over. Could see him contributing right away, high floor/lowish ceiling. Would be cool to keep the Nova pipeline going.

Vassell I think has a higher ceiling, and would love to add him. He's basically a bigger *longer* version of Donte, and those two as our backcourt of the future would be disruptive as ****. Unselfish, athletic, decent shooters with elite defense.

[BucksFanSD]

I see this pick as a Brown replacement

then who's the Pat C replacement?

With all his real estate dealings in the area, I think Pat will be back.

Even if he does, what about Korver though? I see this pick being a wing player that can shoot. I'd think Nesmith has a shot (no pun intended).

[Frank Nova]

Yeah, we got next to no chance at Hayes. One underrated 2 guard that should be considered is Jahmi'us Ramsey from Texas Tech - plays aggressive angry defense (if that's a thing) and has been hitting his 3's real well lately. Just 18. Listed at 6'4, he might have grown to 6'5.

I don't know much about Ramsey but I was thinking more along the lines of since we likely miss out on Hayes, I like Theo Maledon as a consolation prize a lot.

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[RiotPunch]

Yeah, we got next to no chance at Hayes. One underrated 2 guard that should be considered is Jahmi'us Ramsey from Texas Tech - plays aggressive angry defense (if that's a thing) and has been hitting his 3's real well lately. Just 18. Listed at 6'4, he might have grown to 6'5.

I don't know much about Ramsey but I was thinking more along the lines of since we likely miss out on Hayes, I like Theo Maledon as a consolation prize a lot.

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Curious what draws you to Theo, as there are stark differences between he and Killian's games, IMO. Seems able to play on and off ball pretty well, more of an athlete, lower BBIQ/feel.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, we got next to no chance at Hayes. One underrated 2 guard that should be considered is Jahmi'us Ramsey from Texas Tech - plays aggressive angry defense (if that's a thing) and has been hitting his 3's real well lately. Just 18. Listed at 6'4, he might have grown to 6'5.

I don't know much about Ramsey but I was thinking more along the lines of since we likely miss out on Hayes, I like Theo Maledon as a consolation prize a lot.

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Curious what draws you to Theo, as there are stark differences between he and Killian's games, IMO. Seems able to play on and off ball pretty well, more of an athlete, lower BBIQ/feel.

Maledon's another 18 year old with lots of pro experience. Good length for a pg, but a bit lacking in strength and quickness - and it hurts his D - he's averaging 6 fouls per 36 minutes - ouch. Good shooter, more combo guard than point guard - same as Hayes. Overall, seems to have a pretty high floor but not the high ceiling that Hayes has. Seems somewhat like Delon Wright - maybe a little better shooter but not as good defensively despite the long arms. I could see him being a possibility for the Bucks.

[RiotPunch]

I don't know much about Ramsey but I was thinking more along the lines of since we likely miss out on Hayes, I like Theo Maledon as a consolation prize a lot.

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Curious what draws you to Theo, as there are stark differences between he and Killian's games, IMO. Seems able to play on and off ball pretty well, more of an athlete, lower BBIQ/feel.

Maledon's another 18 year old with lots of pro experience. Good length for a pg, but a bit lacking in strength and quickness - and it hurts his D - he's averaging 6 fouls per 36 minutes - ouch. Good shooter, more combo guard than point guard - same as Hayes. Overall, seems to have a pretty high floor but not the high ceiling that Hayes has. Seems somewhat like Delon Wright - maybe a little better shooter but not as good defensively despite the long arms. I could see him being a possibility for the Bucks.

Ehhh, Hayes seems like MUCH more of a point guard than Maledon, IMO. Similar size, but Killian's vision/feel blows Theo's out of the water, he's on another level as a passer. Not to say Hayes isn't capable of playing off the ball too, because he can. Theo I think has to be off the ball to be successful.

[Ruzious]

Curious what draws you to Theo, as there are stark differences between he and Killian's games, IMO. Seems able to play on and off ball pretty well, more of an athlete, lower BBIQ/feel.

Maledon's another 18 year old with lots of pro experience. Good length for a pg, but a bit lacking in strength and quickness - and it hurts his D - he's averaging 6 fouls per 36 minutes - ouch. Good shooter, more combo guard than point guard - same as Hayes. Overall, seems to have a pretty high floor but not the high ceiling that Hayes has. Seems somewhat like Delon Wright - maybe a little better shooter but not as good defensively despite the long arms. I could see him being a possibility for the Bucks.

Ehhh, Hayes seems like MUCH more of a point guard than Maledon, IMO. Similar size, but Killian's vision/feel blows Theo's out of the water, he's on another level as a passer. Not to say Hayes isn't capable of playing off the ball too, because he can. Theo I think has to be off the ball to be successful.

Hayes is my favorite player in the draft, but he does throw the ball away a lot, and he might grow out of the position and be better off as a combo or 2 guard. Either way, I think he's a heckuva prospect.

[RiotPunch]

Maledon's another 18 year old with lots of pro experience. Good length for a pg, but a bit lacking in strength and quickness - and it hurts his D - he's averaging 6 fouls per 36 minutes - ouch. Good shooter, more combo guard than point guard - same as Hayes. Overall, seems to have a pretty high floor but not the high ceiling that Hayes has. Seems somewhat like Delon Wright - maybe a little better shooter but not as good defensively despite the long arms. I could see him being a possibility for the Bucks.

Ehhh, Hayes seems like MUCH more of a point guard than Maledon, IMO. Similar size, but Killian's vision/feel blows Theo's out of the water, he's on another level as a passer. Not to say Hayes isn't capable of playing off the ball too, because he can. Theo I think has to be off the ball to be successful.

Hayes is my favorite player in the draft, but he does throw the ball away a lot, and he might grow out of the position and be better off as a combo or 2 guard. Either way, I think he's a heckuva prospect.

No doubt, but whether 6'5'' or 6'7'', some of his live dribble and opposite corner passing is just jaw dropping. If he can harness that, he's most definitely a point-guard-forward-whatever.

[LuessiT]

Cavs - Edwards
Warrios - Wiseman
Knicks - Ball
Hawks - Avdija
Timberwolves - Maxey
Hornets - Anthony
Pistons - Hayes
Bulls - Okoro
Wizards - Okongwu
Suns - Haliburton
Kings - Toppin
Spurs - Stewart
Pelicans - Hampton
Blazers - Maledon

https://theathletic.com/1603325/2020/02/13/vecenie-2020-nba-mock-draft-version-3-0-post-trade-deadline-edition/

[LuessiT]

This sounds silly but I'm pretty convinced that the Pistons will draft one of the two french prospects if they're feasable at their pick.

[LuessiT]

Another long Killian report with full matches:

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/2/13/21134596/killian-hayes-draft-profile

[buckboy]

Cavs - Edwards
Warrios - Wiseman
Knicks - Ball
Hawks - Avdija
Timberwolves - Maxey
Hornets - Anthony
Pistons - Hayes
Bulls - Okoro
Wizards - Okongwu
Suns - Haliburton
Kings - Toppin
Spurs - Stewart
Pelicans - Hampton
Blazers - Maledon

https://theathletic.com/1603325/2020/02/13/vecenie-2020-nba-mock-draft-version-3-0-post-trade-deadline-edition/

Man, that is way too high for Maxey IMO. I wouldn't take a guy who can't shoot that high. I know it can be fixed and you can get production out of those guys, but ehhh. Not a huge fan.

[IrishRainbow]

Cavs - Edwards
Warrios - Wiseman
Knicks - Ball
Hawks - Avdija
Timberwolves - Maxey
Hornets - Anthony
Pistons - Hayes
Bulls - Okoro
Wizards - Okongwu
Suns - Haliburton
Kings - Toppin
Spurs - Stewart
Pelicans - Hampton
Blazers - Maledon

https://theathletic.com/1603325/2020/02/13/vecenie-2020-nba-mock-draft-version-3-0-post-trade-deadline-edition/

So...Nico is still available huh?

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[Frank Nova]

Cavs - Edwards
Warrios - Wiseman
Knicks - Ball
Hawks - Avdija
Timberwolves - Maxey
Hornets - Anthony
Pistons - Hayes
Bulls - Okoro
Wizards - Okongwu
Suns - Haliburton
Kings - Toppin
Spurs - Stewart
Pelicans - Hampton
Blazers - Maledon

https://theathletic.com/1603325/2020/02/13/vecenie-2020-nba-mock-draft-version-3-0-post-trade-deadline-edition/

So this writer is either dead set on Charlotte needing a 4th combo guard or thinks Cole is clear BPA. Im not sure I'll agree with either 1.

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[Frank Nova]

I don't know much about Ramsey but I was thinking more along the lines of since we likely miss out on Hayes, I like Theo Maledon as a consolation prize a lot.

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Curious what draws you to Theo, as there are stark differences between he and Killian's games, IMO. Seems able to play on and off ball pretty well, more of an athlete, lower BBIQ/feel.

Maledon's another 18 year old with lots of pro experience. Good length for a pg, but a bit lacking in strength and quickness - and it hurts his D - he's averaging 6 fouls per 36 minutes - ouch. Good shooter, more combo guard than point guard - same as Hayes. Overall, seems to have a pretty high floor but not the high ceiling that Hayes has. Seems somewhat like Delon Wright - maybe a little better shooter but not as good defensively despite the long arms. I could see him being a possibility for the Bucks.

Pretty much this. Delon Wright is a pretty fair comparison, I see some George Hill in there offensively with the crafty and methodical usage with the ball and spot up shooting.

I'm not sure what better, "more ready", higher floor, higher ceiling 18/19yr old will be available around the 20th pick.

This draft doesnt excite me at all. Luckily the top prospects are all players that have shown zero signs of superstardom so far. So this could be the 1st draft in a long while that there are TONS of moving parts and question marks.

Edwards
Wiseman
Ball
Anthony
Toppin
Hayes
Avdija (spelling)
Mannion
Carey
Maledon
Hampton
Haliburton
McDaniels
Green

There isn't a LICK of star power in this class. Unless theres a superstar name I'm missing?





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[Ron Swanson]

Maybe, maybe not. 2016 was supposed to have zero star power and high upside guys outside of Simmons/Ingram. Siakam, Sabonis, Murray, Brogdon, etc. proved otherwise. Pick guys who you envision in a specific role but more importantly, pick guys that will be the best players in 3-4 years, not just someone who might be able to help you right away.

[mlloyd10]

Safe Pick - Aaron Nesmith

Wouldn't mind pick - Reggie Perry

Project pick - Amar Sylla

[mlloyd10]

Found this mock draft and they did some NBA comparisons

# Team Player Comp.
1 Warriors James Wiseman - Anthony Davis lite
2 Cavs* Anthony Edwards - bigger Oladipo
3 Hawks LaMelo Ball - 6-7 Jason Williams
4 T-Wolves Obi Toppin - stronger Drew Gooden, Otto Porter
5 Knicks Deni Avdija - Doncic lite
6 Hornets Onyeka Okongwu - Tristan Thompson
7 Pistons Killian Hayes - a creative Dante Exum
8 Bulls Tyrese Haliburton - better MCW, Dejounte
9 Wizards R.J. Hampton - O.J. Mayo's upside, Jamal Murray
10 Kings Precious Achiuwa - Antoine Walker
11 Suns Zeke Nnaji - Taj Gibson, poor man's LaMarcus
12 Pelicans Cole Anthony - poor man's Derrick Rose
13 Spurs Isaac Okoro - faster Justin Anderson
14 Blazers Devin Vassell - Michael Redd
15 Magic Jahmi'us Ramsey - Marcus Smart+
16 T-Wolves (from Nets) Jaden McDaniels - Brandon Ingram lite
17 Celtics (from Grizzlies) Theo Maledon - almost SGA
18 Bucks (from Pacers) Aaron Nesmith - Alec Burks, Tony Snell
19 Mavs Josh Green - Josh Richardson
20 Nets (from 76ers) Aleksej Pokusevski - Raef LaFrentz, poor man's KP
21 76ers (from Thunder) Jalen Smith - P.J. Brown +
22 Nuggets (from Rockets) Nico Mannion - Mike Bibby
23 Jazz* Vernon Carey Jr. - Derrick Coleman, Vin Baker
24 Heat Amar Sylla - Pascal Siakam 2.0
25 Thunder (from Nuggets) Tyler Bey - poor man's Shawn Marion
26 Knicks (from Clippers) Tyrese Maxey - Lou Williams
27 Celtics Paul Reed - Brice Johnson with range
28 Raptors Daniel Oturu - Jamaal Magloire+
29 Lakers Cassius Stanley - Latrell Sprewell
30 Celtics (from Bucks Saddiq Bey - Khris Middleton

[Beorn]

I have no idea about the NCAA prospects, but the Euro comparisons are beyond ****. Sylla is by no means someone who can create his own shot or a Forward, he's just a skinny, athletic C who is slightly undersized. I don't remember LaFrenz well enough to comment Poku, Maledon is very far from SGA, Exum was much, much worse at everything in comparison to Hayes, and I see Avdija much more as an all-around forwards with good passing than a 6'8" PG like Doncic.

[emunney]

I actually really like Maledon, but agree Hayes is the higher ceiling prospect. Maledon just seems like he was born to play the pick and roll: he's got a real suddenness to his stop-start (his hesi is absolutely NBA level), reads the floor well, and has good touch on short shots. Not as fast as TP but bigger and that's his comp imo. He's playing well in Euroleague and shouldn't be overlooked as a prospect.