Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals

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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#341 » by cl2117 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:02 pm

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Darth Celtic wrote:and that's why the professionals at caesars palace put out win odds for the season with Boston at 49.5 and the Nets 47. But that's Ok bro, you do you, you have all the answers in the world and nothing you say is ever wrong. Except everything you say. Even your own fans on the Nets board blast you for acting like your opinions are fact and it can only be that way.

Your schtick is old and tired and even fans of your own team point it out. Let alone every other person on the GB.

The Celtics won't be missing the playoffs this year, get over it.


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You do know how betting lines work right? They are designed so the house always makes money not on the likelihood of something happening.

Usually they go hand and hand sports is sort of outlier fans will move lines based on emotions and loyalty. Like the Lakers have the same odds as the Bucks to win a championship and worse odds then the sixers. You can look at every predictive model none supports that conclusion both the Bucks and Sixers have overwhelming better odds because of playing in the east.

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nba/championship-odds/

It's designed for the house to always make money by charging fees regardless of outcome and balancing the books. I work for an oddsmaker, we 100% set the odds based off of most likely outcome. Sportsbooks will take those odds and shade them accordingly based on betting patterns and amount of money they currently have on their books, but the swings aren't massive because it doesn't benefit them in the long-run. Initial lines are shaded the most and they'll get much tighter by the time we hit the start of the regular season.

So, no the lines are not 100% based on the most likely outcome, but the deviation will not be greater than 10% from what the consensus is (trap lines are a myth).
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#342 » by Blaze4G » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:05 pm

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nets 49.5

Celtics 40.5

Also, vegas lines arent set to predict the teams final win total. it is to set and move the lines so there is equal money on each side of the line. Vegas doesnt make money on being right, they make money on the fees. thats how gambling works. the lines are set more on public concensus then they are expert opinion.

So can we place a signature bet? My over unders are Celtics 49.5 and nets 44.5. Who ever is aggregately closer gets to choose what goes in the other person signature for 1 year.

I mean you're so confident and my prediction is a big difference compared to yours. You should have no problem doing this bet. But I bet you'll find an excuse not to :roll:


I already have a signature bet that the nets will finish 10 games ahead of boston. ill take your bet with the disclaimer that the other bet takes precedence or you can pick my avatar maybe instead of signature?

Wow lol. Sure, lets do the avatar. If I win, you will change yours to a Celtics logo with the Leprechaun.
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#343 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:28 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Blaze4G wrote:
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nets 49.5

Celtics 40.5

Also, vegas lines arent set to predict the teams final win total. it is to set and move the lines so there is equal money on each side of the line. Vegas doesnt make money on being right, they make money on the fees. thats how gambling works. the lines are set more on public concensus then they are expert opinion.

So can we place a signature bet? My over unders are Celtics 49.5 and nets 44.5. Who ever is aggregately closer gets to choose what goes in the other person signature for 1 year.

I mean you're so confident and my prediction is a big difference compared to yours. You should have no problem doing this bet. But I bet you'll find an excuse not to :roll:


I already have a signature bet that the nets will finish 10 games ahead of boston. ill take your bet with the disclaimer that the other bet takes precedence or you can pick my avatar maybe instead of signature?


Sorry. My bet with you is for signature AND avatar. And it's for a whole year. You can take a bet with Blaze4G and just add his signature below the one I choose for you (providing that I win, of course).
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#344 » by Blaze4G » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:30 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
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Blaze4G wrote:So can we place a signature bet? My over unders are Celtics 49.5 and nets 44.5. Who ever is aggregately closer gets to choose what goes in the other person signature for 1 year.

I mean you're so confident and my prediction is a big difference compared to yours. You should have no problem doing this bet. But I bet you'll find an excuse not to :roll:


I already have a signature bet that the nets will finish 10 games ahead of boston. ill take your bet with the disclaimer that the other bet takes precedence or you can pick my avatar maybe instead of signature?


Sorry. My bet with you is for signature AND avatar. And it's for a whole year. You can take a bet with Blaze4G and just add his signature below the one I choose for you (providing that I win, of course).

No problem, I am sure I will be happy with whichever avatar and signature you choose :D
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#345 » by I_Like_Dirt » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:41 pm

cl2117 wrote:So, no the lines are not 100% based on the most likely outcome, but the deviation will not be greater than 10% from what the consensus is (trap lines are a myth).


To be fair, the hordes of rabid Celtics fans basically make up the majority since we can discount both of the Nets fans out there. You'd expect a certain swing there for protection's sake. Not a huge one, like you suggest, but even a 10% swing in both directions would be pretty significant. Nets fans seem to be pushing a bit beyond that range but when we're talking 2 wins in Vegas and such a disparity in institutional fandom, it's not outrageous to suggest that Vegas maybe isn't actually suggesting they think the Celtics are going to win more games than the Nets.
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#346 » by Darth Celtic » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:45 pm

Blaze4G wrote:
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Darth Celtic wrote:So, because they were close to right on 80% of the league, because they were 5 wins off the celtics and about the same off on the Nets, you now know more than vegas? Stop clowning yourself. Right now put up your over/under win totals and i'll take the vegas line vs yours at the end of the year and we can see who is right.

Please, please show me your over unders. Nets 60 wins, Celtics 35.... lol.


nets 49.5

Celtics 40.5

Also, vegas lines arent set to predict the teams final win total. it is to set and move the lines so there is equal money on each side of the line. Vegas doesnt make money on being right, they make money on the fees. thats how gambling works. the lines are set more on public concensus then they are expert opinion.

So can we place a signature bet? My over unders are Celtics 49.5 and nets 44.5. Who ever is aggregately closer gets to choose what goes in the other person signature for 1 year.

I mean you're so confident and my prediction is a big difference compared to yours. You should have no problem doing this bet. But I bet you'll find an excuse not to :roll:

He already did a sig bet. If the nets finish with more than 10 wins more than the Celtics, he wins, otherwise, he wears celtics banner for a year.

Prepared for Prokorov to stop posting and create a new account come April.
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#347 » by Blaze4G » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:11 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
Blaze4G wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
nets 49.5

Celtics 40.5

Also, vegas lines arent set to predict the teams final win total. it is to set and move the lines so there is equal money on each side of the line. Vegas doesnt make money on being right, they make money on the fees. thats how gambling works. the lines are set more on public concensus then they are expert opinion.

So can we place a signature bet? My over unders are Celtics 49.5 and nets 44.5. Who ever is aggregately closer gets to choose what goes in the other person signature for 1 year.

I mean you're so confident and my prediction is a big difference compared to yours. You should have no problem doing this bet. But I bet you'll find an excuse not to :roll:

He already did a sig bet. If the nets finish with more than 10 wins more than the Celtics, he wins, otherwise, he wears celtics banner for a year.

Prepared for Prokorov to stop posting and create a new account come April.

:lol: :lol: I mean he has a chance to win if Stevens suddenly quits and tatum, hayward, brown, smart and kemba are out for the season.
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#348 » by dakomish23 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:05 pm

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Post#349 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:10 pm

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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#350 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:11 pm

JoseRizal wrote:And they say Kyrie was the main problem...


Wait you think Tatum is the problem cause he predicted he’d average over 20 and make the all star team? :lol: :lol:
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Post#351 » by bisme37 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:12 pm

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JoseRizal wrote:And they say Kyrie was the main problem...


Wait you think Tatum is the problem cause he predicted he’d average over 20 and make the all star team? :lol: :lol:


Shame on him lol
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Post#352 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:14 pm

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Average 20 pts? Check.
Make all star game? Check
NBA Finals? TBD.

2/3 seems good so far. Yikes.
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Post#353 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:15 pm

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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#354 » by Ascrilas » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:15 pm

Damn we got some satifying bumps the past days lmao
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Post#355 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:19 pm

Celtics fans coming out of the woodwork. Won't get the whistle like that on every night
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Post#356 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:20 pm

cl2117 wrote:It's designed for the house to always make money by charging fees regardless of outcome and balancing the books. I work for an oddsmaker, we 100% set the odds based off of most likely outcome. Sportsbooks will take those odds and shade them accordingly based on betting patterns and amount of money they currently have on their books, but the swings aren't massive because it doesn't benefit them in the long-run. Initial lines are shaded the most and they'll get much tighter by the time we hit the start of the regular season.

So, no the lines are not 100% based on the most likely outcome, but the deviation will not be greater than 10% from what the consensus is (trap lines are a myth).


Hey I have a question for you- do you ever see particular types of bettors that seem to make money over the long haul?

Understanding that lines are set based on the actual contests themselves but then adjusted as you say, I feel like it's in those swings that serious bettors try to find an edge here and there? I think that's they mean by 'smart money', money that often comes in right as a line is set. I imagine you're only talking say 2 or maybe 3 points at the very most in a NFL game, nothing is going to be big of a swing.

The other type of serious betting I hear about is being an expert on a mid-major level NCAA league. The rationale is that the betting public isn't going to be as knowledgeable and is often going to bet known or sentimental favorites, and it might be easier to find good betting opportunities.
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#357 » by Froob » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:21 pm

One more to go..
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#358 » by Capn'O » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:21 pm

Now for the harder one.

It's possible. This year's team has a bit of je ne sais quoi. But you'd have to favor the Bucks at this point.
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#359 » by Froob » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:23 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Drax wrote:What else is he supposed to say, i'm going to average 10 points, the Celtics will not make the play offs and i'll have a 75 rating? Would that be the correct answer? Leave the kid alone, let him play the season and see what happens.

And yes of course the Celtics won't win the title this season, nobody with a brain would expect that. But a player has to say he wants to win it all otherwise people question his motor.


how about try and be humble and say you are just going to work hard and try to win as a team.

Taum/Brown/Rozier being ego maniacs and thinking they are great before proving anything was as big a problem as kyrie last year

Opinion change on Kyrie yet?
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Post#360 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:24 pm

Froob wrote:One more to go..


I mean, is this a fluid prediction that can just rollover to next season again if they miss again?

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