Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals

[GiannisAnte34]

On defense yeah but Kemba's numbers are down on offense cause he's surrounded by better players.

One would think Rudy Gay as the #1 option could at least put up more PPG than Tatum jeesh.

Tatum is taking more shots than Gay, so now you really look stupid.

Actually I think saying Tatum compares to Gay is pretty f'n stupid - considering their playing styles aren't even close and on the defensive side of the ball it's not even a comparison.

You said that Gay should be scoring more because he was the #1 option. I'm saying that Gay drew the opposing teams best defender because he was the best offensive option the team had. Tatum does not consistently draw the best defender because the Celtics have a lot more offensive weapons. This isn't that hard to understand nor is it a stretch that the Celtics are more talented as a 50+ win team than a 20 win team. Tatum is getting more shots per game, you thought that Gay was getting more shots per game but he wasn't. 20.1 points per game on 16.7 shots per game. 22.4 points per game on 18.3 shots per game. That means that per shot Gay averaged 1.2 points while Tatum per shot averages 1.2 points. LMAO

[GiannisAnte34]

Tatum is in his 3rd year so yeah he's not currently on the level of Butler and PG in their primes (numbers are close though). Let's compare each of them in their 3rd year though shall we?

Butler: 13/5/2.5 on 39.7% FG and 28.3% 3PT = 52.2 TS%, 13.5 PER
PG: 16.7/7.5/4 ON 41.9% fg and 36.2% 3PT = 53.1 TS%, 16.8 PER
Tatum: 22/7/3 on 44.3% FG and 38.2% 3PT = 55.4 TS%, 19.5 PER

But the next Rudy Gay right?

Or we can't compare cause Tatum is on a better franchise with all-star teammates right? (Despite being the best player)

Yet you'll be quick to dismiss Giannis being a GOAT candidate when he sets the All-Time PER record.

If only they gave out trophies for PER. Must be sad thinking about that, huh.

Yea it's certainly some AWFUL, AWFUL company to be in.

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 32.21 2019-20
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63
3. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62
4. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88
5. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
6. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91
7. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64
8. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
9. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16
10. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90
11. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89
12. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
13. Giannis Antetokounmpo 30.89 2018-19
14. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15
15. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
16. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94
17. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00
18. Russell Westbrook 30.63 2016-17
19. James Harden 30.57 2018-19
20. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998

[SmartWentCrazy]

By that logic Kemba just magically got better over night. Nah, Kemba has an easier time producing now.

He’s made his team better for 5 years in a row— what are you talking about?

Kemba's advanced stats on efficiency have gone up and his defensive metrics have gone up. Did he suddenly become a better defender? Did he suddenly become a better scorer?

Please cite examples for defensive metrics— DRPM has him pretty consistent over time. And his efficiency is in line with his seasons from 16-17 and 17-18.

[themoneyteam2]

Yet you'll be quick to dismiss Giannis being a GOAT candidate when he sets the All-Time PER record.

If only they gave out trophies for PER. Must be sad thinking about that, huh.

Yea it's certainly some AWFUL, AWFUL company to be in.

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 32.21 2019-20
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63
3. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62
4. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88
5. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
6. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91
7. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64
8. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
9. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16
10. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90
11. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89
12. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
13. Giannis Antetokounmpo 30.89 2018-19
14. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15
15. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
16. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94
17. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00
18. Russell Westbrook 30.63 2016-17
19. James Harden 30.57 2018-19
20. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998

If only he could do it in the playoffs and not be neutralized by Kawhi due to lack of mid range jumper. The same Kawhi that Tatum just dropped 39 on btw. But yes, Tatum never draws the top defender lol.

[themoneyteam2]

Tatum is taking more shots than Gay, so now you really look stupid.

Actually I think saying Tatum compares to Gay is pretty f'n stupid - considering their playing styles aren't even close and on the defensive side of the ball it's not even a comparison.

You said that Gay should be scoring more because he was the #1 option. I'm saying that Gay drew the opposing teams best defender because he was the best offensive option the team had. Tatum does not consistently draw the best defender because the Celtics have a lot more offensive weapons. This isn't that hard to understand nor is it a stretch that the Celtics are more talented as a 50+ win team than a 20 win team. Tatum is getting more shots per game, you thought that Gay was getting more shots per game but he wasn't. 20.1 points per game on 16.7 shots per game. 22.4 points per game on 18.3 shots per game. That means that per shot Gay averaged 1.2 points while Tatum per shot averages 1.2 points. LMAO

I think it's pretty clear you don't watch the Celtics if you think Tatum doesn't consistently draw the best defender. I would say you only tune into National TV games but even then he's getting the best defender, such as Kawhi last night...

[SecondTake]

Tatums window has passed. He's a decent player but at this point you don't expect much improvement from a guy that's been in the league that long. He may hit 20 PPG but thats not really a big improvement. That's about his ceiling considering his timeline.

[SecondTake]

Yet you'll be quick to dismiss Giannis being a GOAT candidate when he sets the All-Time PER record.

If only they gave out trophies for PER. Must be sad thinking about that, huh.

Yea it's certainly some AWFUL, AWFUL company to be in.

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 32.21 2019-20
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63
3. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62
4. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88
5. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
6. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91
7. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64
8. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
9. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16
10. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90
11. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89
12. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
13. Giannis Antetokounmpo 30.89 2018-19
14. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15
15. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
16. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94
17. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00
18. Russell Westbrook 30.63 2016-17
19. James Harden 30.57 2018-19
20. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998

Wilt is a joke so having him be up there pretty much destroys PER.

[GiannisAnte34]

If only they gave out trophies for PER. Must be sad thinking about that, huh.

Yea it's certainly some AWFUL, AWFUL company to be in.

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 32.21 2019-20
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63
3. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62
4. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88
5. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
6. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91
7. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64
8. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
9. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16
10. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90
11. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89
12. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
13. Giannis Antetokounmpo 30.89 2018-19
14. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15
15. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
16. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94
17. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00
18. Russell Westbrook 30.63 2016-17
19. James Harden 30.57 2018-19
20. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998

If only he could do it in the playoffs and not be neutralized by Kawhi due to lack of mid range jumper. The same Kawhi that Tatum just dropped 39 on btw. But yes, Tatum never draws the top defender lol.

Excluding Wilt, none of the players on that list won a title at or before 24 years old. Jordan was 28 and LeBron was 27 for reference

[jason bourne]

This is one of pukey threads that people need to puke and poop on all over. I saw Michael, Kobe, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, Curry, Klay, Draymond, KD, Duncan, Stockton, Malone, and other top NBA greatest players of all-time LIVE. They are players who are woth buying tickets and paying the cost of admission to see.

What happened with Jayson Tatum was that Kawhi was taking a load management night. Today's players like Tatum and Ben Simmons are not worth the price of admission. They just are not exceptional players. They and their fans think they are stars based on one game. They just do not come through the tv or device screen to grab our imaginations. While Kawhi is certainly not a top NBA player of all-time due to load management, but he will make mincemeat of Tatum next time they meet. Kawhi just needed some load management time and will power bomb Tatum next time into the toilet bowl and flush him down.

[GiannisAnte34]

Actually I think saying Tatum compares to Gay is pretty f'n stupid - considering their playing styles aren't even close and on the defensive side of the ball it's not even a comparison.

You said that Gay should be scoring more because he was the #1 option. I'm saying that Gay drew the opposing teams best defender because he was the best offensive option the team had. Tatum does not consistently draw the best defender because the Celtics have a lot more offensive weapons. This isn't that hard to understand nor is it a stretch that the Celtics are more talented as a 50+ win team than a 20 win team. Tatum is getting more shots per game, you thought that Gay was getting more shots per game but he wasn't. 20.1 points per game on 16.7 shots per game. 22.4 points per game on 18.3 shots per game. That means that per shot Gay averaged 1.2 points while Tatum per shot averages 1.2 points. LMAO

I think it's pretty clear you don't watch the Celtics if you think Tatum doesn't consistently draw the best defender. I would say you only tune into National TV games but even then he's getting the best defender, such as Kawhi last night...

Even if Tatum does draw the best defender, he gets more space to operate with by having better teammates than Gay. That is a simple objective fact in basketball. Simmons and Embiid would be even better if they had team(s) with better spacing.

[themoneyteam2]

This is one of pukey threads that people need to puke and poop on all over. I saw Michael, Kobe, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, Curry, Klay, Draymond, KD, Duncan, Stockton, Malone, and other top NBA greatest players of all-time LIVE. They are players who are woth buying tickets and paying the cost of admission to see.

What happened with Jayson Tatum was that Kawhi was taking a load management night. Today's players like Tatum and Ben Simmons are not worth the price of admission. They just are not exceptional players. They and their fans think they are stars based on one game. They just do not come through the tv or device screen to grab our imaginations. While Kawhi is certainly not a top NBA player of all-time due to load management, but he will make mincemeat of Tatum next time they meet. Kawhi just needed some load management time and will power bomb Tatum next time into the toilet bowl and flush him down.

Was Kawhi load-managing earlier this year when they played on national TV and Tatum had 30 pts on 12-24 shooting?

[GiannisAnte34]

If only they gave out trophies for PER. Must be sad thinking about that, huh.

Yea it's certainly some AWFUL, AWFUL company to be in.

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 32.21 2019-20
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63
3. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62
4. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88
5. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
6. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91
7. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64
8. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
9. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16
10. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90
11. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89
12. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
13. Giannis Antetokounmpo 30.89 2018-19
14. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15
15. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
16. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94
17. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00
18. Russell Westbrook 30.63 2016-17
19. James Harden 30.57 2018-19
20. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998

Wilt is a joke so having him be up there pretty much destroys PER.

Actually it is considered unfair to compare modern players with Wilt in terms of PER.

[Green89]

This is one of pukey threads that people need to puke and poop on all over. I saw Michael, Kobe, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, Curry, Klay, Draymond, KD, Duncan, Stockton, Malone, and other top NBA greatest players of all-time LIVE. They are players who are woth buying tickets and paying the cost of admission to see.

What happened with Jayson Tatum was that Kawhi was taking a load management night. Today's players like Tatum and Ben Simmons are not worth the price of admission. They just are not exceptional players. They and their fans think they are stars based on one game. They just do not come through the tv or device screen to grab our imaginations. While Kawhi is certainly not a top NBA player of all-time due to load management, but he will make mincemeat of Tatum next time they meet. Kawhi just needed some load management time and will power bomb Tatum next time into the toilet bowl and flush him down.

Wait, so now there's load management when you don't play, and another type of load management when you play and get your ass served to you on a platter? yah, ofk

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[skones]

I never said they make one great decision after the other.i said luck is involved in all aspects of sports but when a team has a successful track record of successful trades or drafting or both - it’s not just luck. Teams make mistakes all the time, great gm’s whiff all the time it’s part of the business. Luck was brought into the equation by someone else saying all the Celtics have done is “luck” or “fleeced times”.

I said several times - I was wrong about the Celtics bucks series. Bucks kicked our ass, however in the end all that srs ratings and great records u were breaking meant nothing in the playoffs. You lost to a team with more experience and like I predicted teams generally don’t just go from never winning a playoff series to winning a championship or a finals appearance without going through the rigors.

You didn’t win. You can take all the victory laps for beating the Celtics. Kudos. I was wrong about our series. I was right however that eventually your team lacked the post season experience needed to win it all and your team needed a deep run in the playoffs 1st like most eventual champions do.

U didn’t win anything last year but I’m willing to bet that learning experience gained last seas9n was beneficial for all including giannis. You went home a round later- your inexperience was a factor. Cry about it.

TLDR, "despite my being wrong, I'm going to move goalposts and still claim that I'm right just because the thing I'm doing it with is unquantifiable and it's easy to hide behind." There are reasons the Bucks lost that series, none of them were "because they were out-experienced."

We didn't win, I know that. I'm not sitting here making excuses for losing like you are for being pretty blatantly wrong last year and still finding a way to claim a W.

but k.

[Stillwater]

notice no mention if winning a ring

[peachbucket]

Promises made...promises kept.

[Feed Your Head]

This is one of pukey threads that people need to puke and poop on all over. I saw Michael, Kobe, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, Curry, Klay, Draymond, KD, Duncan, Stockton, Malone, and other top NBA greatest players of all-time LIVE. They are players who are woth buying tickets and paying the cost of admission to see.

What happened with Jayson Tatum was that Kawhi was taking a load management night. Today's players like Tatum and Ben Simmons are not worth the price of admission. They just are not exceptional players. They and their fans think they are stars based on one game. They just do not come through the tv or device screen to grab our imaginations. While Kawhi is certainly not a top NBA player of all-time due to load management, but he will make mincemeat of Tatum next time they meet. Kawhi just needed some load management time and will power bomb Tatum next time into the toilet bowl and flush him down.

Tatum dropped 30/6 on him when they played in LA a couple months ago. How come he didn't make mincemeat of him last night?

[NoBias]

If only he could do it in the playoffs and not be neutralized by Kawhi due to lack of mid range jumper. The same Kawhi that Tatum just dropped 39 on btw. But yes, Tatum never draws the top defender lol.

Don't compare apples to oranges. Not to derail the thread or anything, but...

Kawhi in the reg season takes breaks on that end, Kyrie torched him last year and hit a game winner on him, and Antekounmpo had the Raptors number in the regular season. As he once said "Playoffs is when I lace them up."

Comparing Tatum to Giannis because of his midrange jumper, or lack thereof is asinine.

[MagicBagley18]

I never said they make one great decision after the other.i said luck is involved in all aspects of sports but when a team has a successful track record of successful trades or drafting or both - it’s not just luck. Teams make mistakes all the time, great gm’s whiff all the time it’s part of the business. Luck was brought into the equation by someone else saying all the Celtics have done is “luck” or “fleeced times”.

I said several times - I was wrong about the Celtics bucks series. Bucks kicked our ass, however in the end all that srs ratings and great records u were breaking meant nothing in the playoffs. You lost to a team with more experience and like I predicted teams generally don’t just go from never winning a playoff series to winning a championship or a finals appearance without going through the rigors.

You didn’t win. You can take all the victory laps for beating the Celtics. Kudos. I was wrong about our series. I was right however that eventually your team lacked the post season experience needed to win it all and your team needed a deep run in the playoffs 1st like most eventual champions do.

U didn’t win anything last year but I’m willing to bet that learning experience gained last seas9n was beneficial for all including giannis. You went home a round later- your inexperience was a factor. Cry about it.

TLDR, "despite my being wrong, I'm going to move goalposts and still claim that I'm right just because the thing I'm doing it with is unquantifiable and it's easy to hide behind." There are reasons the Bucks lost that series, none of them were "because they were out-experienced."

We didn't win, I know that. I'm not sitting here making excuses for losing like you are for being pretty blatantly wrong last year and still finding a way to claim a W.

but k.

Yet you took the tie to respond? Excuses would be “we lost bc of Injury” or the “refs”. We lost because we weren’t good enough period.
My argument against bucks fans and why I favored the Celtics was bc teams generally don’t ever go from never winning a round to champions overnight. You usually have to taste the bitter defeat of a post season run 1st before glory.

I overrated the Celtics experience as a factor. You guys told me how you were an historic team so past is no indicator (although Jordan Bron and more had to go through the ringer) even tho I said your lack of success together is a red flag on why u wouldn’t win it all or make the finals.

You did neither. You lost. you had to fail before you win it all. That was my point then - I just picked the wrong team to hand you the L

[Goudelock]

AcKtUaLlY stfu geek, your team is dog****

TLDR...douchebag says what?

hold this L when your dog&&&& team gets an early bouncing again

I'm not striking either of you because you're both acting like children. But if I see either of you engaging any further in this argument, you will receive strikes.