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Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What kind of player do you think we need most?

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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#181 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:46 pm

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azwfan wrote:Greetings Magic fans. Warriors fan here.

Hypothetical question for you...
If GSW were to get a top pick as a result of the draft lottery... would ORL be interested in moving up from 15(ish)? and what would you be willing to give up to do so? Is there a prospect that you would want to move up for specifically? I was thinking Anthony Edwards (so likely #1 or #2 pick) would be a great fit for yall but I haven't been following your team that closely so I'm not sure what your needs are.

From GSW standpoint i think we would have interest in Bamba, Ross, Okeke, future 1sts (2021, 2022, 2024 are the years we'd have interest in), POSSIBLY Fournier (though i'm not sure how much value we would see in him considering his salary), and Gordon (who I don't think we can make it work salary wise).

GSW would have interest in these players for several reasons:
1) We are in need of wing defensive talent, and there doesn't appear to be a lot of that at the top of this years draft. (hence interest Ross, Gordon, Okeke)
2) We are in need of veterans with playoff experience to play a decent amount of minutes (assuming we are a playoff team / contender next season). Our 2021 bench is full of unproven youth and we really need to get some experience there. That said, we don't have interest in filling our bench with a bunch of has-been players (like the Heat teams with haslem, james jones, ilguaskas, etc.) unless we have to. (hence interest in Ross, Gordon, maybe Fournier)
3) We need a defensive minded center with size. Chriss has been a nice find for us, but Looney looks broken down and neither one can come close to matching up physically with the centers the Lakers throw out there, or even Valuciunus (sp?). (therefore the interest in Bamba).
4) Future picks have interest for GSW because our FO is always hunting for an elite player and future picks give ammunition to do so if there's an opportunity to strike. 2021 and 2022 1sts because they are supposed to be good drafts... 2024 because we traded our 2024 pick so that would give us flexibility to offer more picks if a superstar trade avails itself.

Anyways, thanks for any input you may have.

This draft is so weak at the top, that our 15 pick could easly be better than number 1 or 2 pick. Right now outside your championship core you have nothing that interest us. Maybe some would consider Vucevic for Wiggins and your pick, but i am quite certain our front office wouldnt do that.
Bamba for all his struggles showed a lot of potential, twice more than any player in this years draft. We wont deal Okeke until we see what we have in him, he is a prototipical forward. Ross could be had, but we dont really want to become younger, and your pick would be an overpay.
Gordon is available. Maybe Gordon + Augustine for Wiggins and your pick ? but Andrew is so overpaid that i doubt we do it.
Future picks are propably not available for you, this draft doesnt warrant you that.
You have little chance to aquire Fournier. We wont bite for Wiggins.

I feel like this draft is primed to see a lot of fluctuation at the top. Nobody really stands out to me. This wont happen but Nico Mannion would be value pick for us at 15 but he doesn't have super long arms and he actually has basketball skill so i could see WeHam passing on him. Actually I could see Killian Hayes moving up into the top 10 tbh. Nesmith would be a great pick as well.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#182 » by orlando_joe » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:58 pm

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Knightro wrote:Killian Hayes had 20 points, 10 assists yesterday. The best game of his season to date.

ESPN currently has him 14th on their big board, so he's in that range of possibilities for the Magic at 15.


He ll be out of our range by draft night. He ll be a top 8 for sure

yea ..draft room has him at 7 right now
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Post#183 » by Knightro » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:29 pm

15. Orlando Magic
Jaden McDaniels | 6-10 forward | 18 years old, freshman | Washington

The Magic have a type, and it’s typically long, athletic players who have great body control and athleticism. McDaniels fits that billing to a T. However, it’s hard to find a player who has hurt himself more over the last month in terms of NBA evaluators. At the G League Showcase in mid-December, when I asked around about McDaniels, the consensus seemed to be that he was on his way toward building himself up into the top-five of the draft. But over the last month, it’s not an exaggeration to say that McDaniels’ play has been a disaster, and it’s thrown his draft situation for a loop.

Since the calendar turned to 2020, McDaniels has averaged 9.9 points while shooting 33 percent from the field and 25.6 percent from 3. He’s also showcased an awful lot of immaturity on the court, from technical fouls to poor defensive effort to a disappointing lack of engagement with what’s happening around him. Unfortunately, a lot of these traits, from the inefficiency to the immaturity, are what worried evaluators most heading into the year, and thus have raised the alarm bells to a significant extent. It’s to the point now where McDaniels has been removed from Washington’s starting lineup multiple times this year.

There is still time to turn it around. Washington has a ton of talent. But I’m honestly not sure I can really narrow down McDaniels’s draft position in any real way right now. It’s all in the ballpark, from top-10 pick to outside of the first round if he doesn’t turn this around, and do it in a hurry.

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I will literally scream if the Magic pick another PF this year.

Especially a guy who hasn't even been that good like McDaniels.

Give me Nesmith or Vassell (both still available in Vecenie's mock) over McDaniels 10 times out of 10.
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Post#184 » by j-ragg » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:32 pm

How is Vassell's game outside of shooting 3s? I watched some of him and I love his jumper he just didn't do much else. But I saw very limited amount. Reminded me a bit of Mikal Bridges at Nova.
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Post#185 » by Knightro » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:53 pm

j-ragg wrote:How is Vassell's game outside of shooting 3s? I watched some of him and I love his jumper he just didn't do much else. But I saw very limited amount. Reminded me a bit of Mikal Bridges at Nova.


Mikal Bridges a good comparison IMO.

Vassell's floor to me is pure 3&D guy who can rebound a little bit from the SG slot.

His ceiling will be determined in time based on how much/how little the other parts of his game - movement off the ball, ball handling, passing - develop over time.
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Post#186 » by Skin » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:03 pm

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azwfan wrote:Greetings Magic fans. Warriors fan here.

Hypothetical question for you...
If GSW were to get a top pick as a result of the draft lottery... would ORL be interested in moving up from 15(ish)? and what would you be willing to give up to do so? Is there a prospect that you would want to move up for specifically? I was thinking Anthony Edwards (so likely #1 or #2 pick) would be a great fit for yall but I haven't been following your team that closely so I'm not sure what your needs are.

From GSW standpoint i think we would have interest in Bamba, Ross, Okeke, future 1sts (2021, 2022, 2024 are the years we'd have interest in), POSSIBLY Fournier (though i'm not sure how much value we would see in him considering his salary), and Gordon (who I don't think we can make it work salary wise).

GSW would have interest in these players for several reasons:
1) We are in need of wing defensive talent, and there doesn't appear to be a lot of that at the top of this years draft. (hence interest Ross, Gordon, Okeke)
2) We are in need of veterans with playoff experience to play a decent amount of minutes (assuming we are a playoff team / contender next season). Our 2021 bench is full of unproven youth and we really need to get some experience there. That said, we don't have interest in filling our bench with a bunch of has-been players (like the Heat teams with haslem, james jones, ilguaskas, etc.) unless we have to. (hence interest in Ross, Gordon, maybe Fournier)
3) We need a defensive minded center with size. Chriss has been a nice find for us, but Looney looks broken down and neither one can come close to matching up physically with the centers the Lakers throw out there, or even Valuciunus (sp?). (therefore the interest in Bamba).
4) Future picks have interest for GSW because our FO is always hunting for an elite player and future picks give ammunition to do so if there's an opportunity to strike. 2021 and 2022 1sts because they are supposed to be good drafts... 2024 because we traded our 2024 pick so that would give us flexibility to offer more picks if a superstar trade avails itself.

Anyways, thanks for any input you may have.

While it would be incredible to get the 1st pick, I don't think we would be able to give you all of that.

What about this:

1 & 2) Defensive wing/ Playoff veteran need - AG. Ross. Both fit. Okeke doesn't fit the veteran quality.

3) Defensive Center with size - Khem Birch is your man. Unselfish player who is a scrapper and is glad doing all the dirty work inside. Bamba is still to raw and still a project physically. He dosen't hold his ground against physical play like Birch does. Otherwise, Vucevic could actually be sneaky good addition for you.

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4) Draft picks - Asking for 4 1st round picks is too much. I don't even think you're allowed to trade 1sts in consecutive years.

2020, 2022, 2024 1st rounders is acceptable imo.

So Gordon, Ross, Birch or Vucevic, 3 unprotected 1st rounders for your pick. How does that sound?

wow...crazy... is micheal Jordan in this draft ? what year is it again?

Anthony Edwards is gonna be a Superstar, imo. We should desperately seek out a trade with whoever has the #1 pick.
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Post#187 » by Skin » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:06 pm

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cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:Killian Hayes had 20 points, 10 assists yesterday. The best game of his season to date.

ESPN currently has him 14th on their big board, so he's in that range of possibilities for the Magic at 15.


He ll be out of our range by draft night. He ll be a top 8 for sure

yea ..draft room has him at 7 right now

I'm not buying Hayes stock right now. Wouldn't be a bad pick but not quite there as far as getting hyped for him.
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Post#188 » by Bensational » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:21 pm

Knightro wrote:
j-ragg wrote:How is Vassell's game outside of shooting 3s? I watched some of him and I love his jumper he just didn't do much else. But I saw very limited amount. Reminded me a bit of Mikal Bridges at Nova.


Mikal Bridges a good comparison IMO.

Vassell's floor to me is pure 3&D guy who can rebound a little bit from the SG slot.

His ceiling will be determined in time based on how much/how little the other parts of his game - movement off the ball, ball handling, passing - develop over time.


I really like the look of Vassell. His shooting form on midrange shots is quite beautiful, and he carries that range out to the perimeter. Looks like a great 3&D prospect who can run in transition, hit open shots but also looks capable of at least putting the ball on the floor and getting himself into a midrange shot, which looks like he can complete.

Nesmith is exactly the sort of guy I'd like to see us target. Sophomore, but he's taken a massive jump in his scoring, and he's shooting an insane 52% from 3 on 8 attempts a game and still getting to the line 4.5 times a game. The fact he's slated to drop after us is just crazy. If he's that good at shooting, there will be a place for him in the NBA.
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Post#189 » by zaymon » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:53 pm

Bensational wrote:
Knightro wrote:
j-ragg wrote:How is Vassell's game outside of shooting 3s? I watched some of him and I love his jumper he just didn't do much else. But I saw very limited amount. Reminded me a bit of Mikal Bridges at Nova.


Mikal Bridges a good comparison IMO.

Vassell's floor to me is pure 3&D guy who can rebound a little bit from the SG slot.

His ceiling will be determined in time based on how much/how little the other parts of his game - movement off the ball, ball handling, passing - develop over time.


I really like the look of Vassell. His shooting form on midrange shots is quite beautiful, and he carries that range out to the perimeter. Looks like a great 3&D prospect who can run in transition, hit open shots but also looks capable of at least putting the ball on the floor and getting himself into a midrange shot, which looks like he can complete.

Nesmith is exactly the sort of guy I'd like to see us target. Sophomore, but he's taken a massive jump in his scoring, and he's shooting an insane 52% from 3 on 8 attempts a game and still getting to the line 4.5 times a game. The fact he's slated to drop after us is just crazy. If he's that good at shooting, there will be a place for him in the NBA.

I prefer Saddiq Bey to both of them, sadly he will propably go lottery.
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Post#190 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:47 pm

Bensational wrote:
Knightro wrote:
j-ragg wrote:How is Vassell's game outside of shooting 3s? I watched some of him and I love his jumper he just didn't do much else. But I saw very limited amount. Reminded me a bit of Mikal Bridges at Nova.


Mikal Bridges a good comparison IMO.

Vassell's floor to me is pure 3&D guy who can rebound a little bit from the SG slot.

His ceiling will be determined in time based on how much/how little the other parts of his game - movement off the ball, ball handling, passing - develop over time.


I really like the look of Vassell. His shooting form on midrange shots is quite beautiful, and he carries that range out to the perimeter. Looks like a great 3&D prospect who can run in transition, hit open shots but also looks capable of at least putting the ball on the floor and getting himself into a midrange shot, which looks like he can complete.

Nesmith is exactly the sort of guy I'd like to see us target. Sophomore, but he's taken a massive jump in his scoring, and he's shooting an insane 52% from 3 on 8 attempts a game and still getting to the line 4.5 times a game. The fact he's slated to drop after us is just crazy. If he's that good at shooting, there will be a place for him in the NBA.


Would probably take a combo of our pick, Fultz and Isaac to get him.
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Post#191 » by azwfan » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:42 am

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azwfan wrote:Greetings Magic fans. Warriors fan here.

Hypothetical question for you...
If GSW were to get a top pick as a result of the draft lottery... would ORL be interested in moving up from 15(ish)? and what would you be willing to give up to do so? Is there a prospect that you would want to move up for specifically? I was thinking Anthony Edwards (so likely #1 or #2 pick) would be a great fit for yall but I haven't been following your team that closely so I'm not sure what your needs are.

From GSW standpoint i think we would have interest in Bamba, Ross, Okeke, future 1sts (2021, 2022, 2024 are the years we'd have interest in), POSSIBLY Fournier (though i'm not sure how much value we would see in him considering his salary), and Gordon (who I don't think we can make it work salary wise).

GSW would have interest in these players for several reasons:
1) We are in need of wing defensive talent, and there doesn't appear to be a lot of that at the top of this years draft. (hence interest Ross, Gordon, Okeke)
2) We are in need of veterans with playoff experience to play a decent amount of minutes (assuming we are a playoff team / contender next season). Our 2021 bench is full of unproven youth and we really need to get some experience there. That said, we don't have interest in filling our bench with a bunch of has-been players (like the Heat teams with haslem, james jones, ilguaskas, etc.) unless we have to. (hence interest in Ross, Gordon, maybe Fournier)
3) We need a defensive minded center with size. Chriss has been a nice find for us, but Looney looks broken down and neither one can come close to matching up physically with the centers the Lakers throw out there, or even Valuciunus (sp?). (therefore the interest in Bamba).
4) Future picks have interest for GSW because our FO is always hunting for an elite player and future picks give ammunition to do so if there's an opportunity to strike. 2021 and 2022 1sts because they are supposed to be good drafts... 2024 because we traded our 2024 pick so that would give us flexibility to offer more picks if a superstar trade avails itself.

Anyways, thanks for any input you may have.

While it would be incredible to get the 1st pick, I don't think we would be able to give you all of that.

What about this:

1 & 2) Defensive wing/ Playoff veteran need - AG. Ross. Both fit. Okeke doesn't fit the veteran quality.

3) Defensive Center with size - Khem Birch is your man. Unselfish player who is a scrapper and is glad doing all the dirty work inside. Bamba is still to raw and still a project physically. He dosen't hold his ground against physical play like Birch does. Otherwise, Vucevic could actually be sneaky good addition for you.

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4) Draft picks - Asking for 4 1st round picks is too much. I don't even think you're allowed to trade 1sts in consecutive years.

2020, 2022, 2024 1st rounders is acceptable imo.

So Gordon, Ross, Birch or Vucevic, 3 unprotected 1st rounders for your pick. How does that sound?

Reading through some of the responses, I guess my original post wasn't clear.
I was not saying that all of that is the package we would expect back for the 1st pick, just that those are the things we would want from what ORL has (so mix and match to come up with your best offer). Honestly, I think your offer is more then i would expect to get back but would definitely take it if it worked under the salary cap! :) I like Vucevic, but he's not really what we want at center and he's a lot of value in an area we would rather not acquire it (if that makes sense). So rather than suck up a lot of the value for a type we don't really want, think its better if ORL holds onto him.

I also neglected to mention that GSW has a $17.18M TPE. (So Gordon doesn't fit into that TPE... which is why I think it would be tough to come up with a trade that includes him - even though I still like him despite his down year).

Birch, Ross, 2020 1st (15ish) + 2 additional unprotected firsts is still a strong offer IMO. I see Kheim is listed at 6'9" 234 lbs. He's not really the size (length) I'm looking for at center (Marquise Chriss is just about the same size) which is why despite his rawness I would still prefer Mo Bamba. If its a value thing we can change the 2022 1st to a pick swap (GSW's choice) in order to send more value back to Orlando. And/or throw some of our recently acquired 2nd rd picks ORL's way (?)

If its just a matter of not wanting to give up Bamba or not get younger (i saw that somewhere) I can understand that. I do think having a top pick can inject some excitement into the organization, however, nothing injects excitement like winning so I totally get the reluctance from other posters to make a move up.
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Post#192 » by cedric76 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:12 am

I think Devin Vassell must be high on weham s board
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Post#193 » by Skin » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:59 pm

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Skin wrote:
azwfan wrote:Greetings Magic fans. Warriors fan here.

Hypothetical question for you...
If GSW were to get a top pick as a result of the draft lottery... would ORL be interested in moving up from 15(ish)? and what would you be willing to give up to do so? Is there a prospect that you would want to move up for specifically? I was thinking Anthony Edwards (so likely #1 or #2 pick) would be a great fit for yall but I haven't been following your team that closely so I'm not sure what your needs are.

From GSW standpoint i think we would have interest in Bamba, Ross, Okeke, future 1sts (2021, 2022, 2024 are the years we'd have interest in), POSSIBLY Fournier (though i'm not sure how much value we would see in him considering his salary), and Gordon (who I don't think we can make it work salary wise).

GSW would have interest in these players for several reasons:
1) We are in need of wing defensive talent, and there doesn't appear to be a lot of that at the top of this years draft. (hence interest Ross, Gordon, Okeke)
2) We are in need of veterans with playoff experience to play a decent amount of minutes (assuming we are a playoff team / contender next season). Our 2021 bench is full of unproven youth and we really need to get some experience there. That said, we don't have interest in filling our bench with a bunch of has-been players (like the Heat teams with haslem, james jones, ilguaskas, etc.) unless we have to. (hence interest in Ross, Gordon, maybe Fournier)
3) We need a defensive minded center with size. Chriss has been a nice find for us, but Looney looks broken down and neither one can come close to matching up physically with the centers the Lakers throw out there, or even Valuciunus (sp?). (therefore the interest in Bamba).
4) Future picks have interest for GSW because our FO is always hunting for an elite player and future picks give ammunition to do so if there's an opportunity to strike. 2021 and 2022 1sts because they are supposed to be good drafts... 2024 because we traded our 2024 pick so that would give us flexibility to offer more picks if a superstar trade avails itself.

Anyways, thanks for any input you may have.

While it would be incredible to get the 1st pick, I don't think we would be able to give you all of that.

What about this:

1 & 2) Defensive wing/ Playoff veteran need - AG. Ross. Both fit. Okeke doesn't fit the veteran quality.

3) Defensive Center with size - Khem Birch is your man. Unselfish player who is a scrapper and is glad doing all the dirty work inside. Bamba is still to raw and still a project physically. He dosen't hold his ground against physical play like Birch does. Otherwise, Vucevic could actually be sneaky good addition for you.

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4) Draft picks - Asking for 4 1st round picks is too much. I don't even think you're allowed to trade 1sts in consecutive years.

2020, 2022, 2024 1st rounders is acceptable imo.

So Gordon, Ross, Birch or Vucevic, 3 unprotected 1st rounders for your pick. How does that sound?

Reading through some of the responses, I guess my original post wasn't clear.
I was not saying that all of that is the package we would expect back for the 1st pick, just that those are the things we would want from what ORL has (so mix and match to come up with your best offer). Honestly, I think your offer is more then i would expect to get back but would definitely take it if it worked under the salary cap! :) I like Vucevic, but he's not really what we want at center and he's a lot of value in an area we would rather not acquire it (if that makes sense). So rather than suck up a lot of the value for a type we don't really want, think its better if ORL holds onto him.

I also neglected to mention that GSW has a $17.18M TPE. (So Gordon doesn't fit into that TPE... which is why I think it would be tough to come up with a trade that includes him - even though I still like him despite his down year).

Birch, Ross, 2020 1st (15ish) + 2 additional unprotected firsts is still a strong offer IMO. I see Kheim is listed at 6'9" 234 lbs. He's not really the size (length) I'm looking for at center (Marquise Chriss is just about the same size) which is why despite his rawness I would still prefer Mo Bamba. If its a value thing we can change the 2022 1st to a pick swap (GSW's choice) in order to send more value back to Orlando. And/or throw some of our recently acquired 2nd rd picks ORL's way (?)

If its just a matter of not wanting to give up Bamba or not get younger (i saw that somewhere) I can understand that. I do think having a top pick can inject some excitement into the organization, however, nothing injects excitement like winning so I totally get the reluctance from other posters to make a move up.

I don't think Ross, Birch and 3 picks are enough.

According to the rumors, GS was one of the teams that had been in the Gordon trade talks... I'm assuming that was for D'Lo. Obviously ORL fell short of Minny's offer. That Minny 2021 draft pick looks like a gem.

If GS would be in the same mindset of flipping assets like they did with D'Lo... and flipped Wiggins then the salary matching possibilities open up greatly.

Gordon, Ross, Birch, 2020, 2022, 2024 1sts, throw in a couple more 2nds.

For

Wiggins, Looney, 2020 1st

Salaries match. You get to keep your TPE for another asset. You get out from Wiggins contract.

In a way it ends up being D'Lo and your 1st for Gordon, Ross, Birch, 2020, 2022, 2024 1sts, 2nds plus Minny's 1st and 2nd. That's quite the haul.

A bunch of Magic fans might not want that Wiggins contract but Wiggins fits our GM's scouting profile.

With Bamba it's not a matter of getting value for him. He's just a big part of the future vision of this team imo.
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Post#194 » by VFX » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:48 pm

Draft anybody that can create offense, shoot well, and isn’t a big.
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Post#195 » by zaymon » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:10 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Draft anybody that can create offense, shoot well, and isn’t a big.

Altough Reed and Okoro tempting ;)
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Post#196 » by Ducklett » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:02 am

Skin wrote:
azwfan wrote:
Skin wrote:While it would be incredible to get the 1st pick, I don't think we would be able to give you all of that.

What about this:

1 & 2) Defensive wing/ Playoff veteran need - AG. Ross. Both fit. Okeke doesn't fit the veteran quality.

3) Defensive Center with size - Khem Birch is your man. Unselfish player who is a scrapper and is glad doing all the dirty work inside. Bamba is still to raw and still a project physically. He dosen't hold his ground against physical play like Birch does. Otherwise, Vucevic could actually be sneaky good addition for you.

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4) Draft picks - Asking for 4 1st round picks is too much. I don't even think you're allowed to trade 1sts in consecutive years.

2020, 2022, 2024 1st rounders is acceptable imo.

So Gordon, Ross, Birch or Vucevic, 3 unprotected 1st rounders for your pick. How does that sound?

Reading through some of the responses, I guess my original post wasn't clear.
I was not saying that all of that is the package we would expect back for the 1st pick, just that those are the things we would want from what ORL has (so mix and match to come up with your best offer). Honestly, I think your offer is more then i would expect to get back but would definitely take it if it worked under the salary cap! :) I like Vucevic, but he's not really what we want at center and he's a lot of value in an area we would rather not acquire it (if that makes sense). So rather than suck up a lot of the value for a type we don't really want, think its better if ORL holds onto him.

I also neglected to mention that GSW has a $17.18M TPE. (So Gordon doesn't fit into that TPE... which is why I think it would be tough to come up with a trade that includes him - even though I still like him despite his down year).

Birch, Ross, 2020 1st (15ish) + 2 additional unprotected firsts is still a strong offer IMO. I see Kheim is listed at 6'9" 234 lbs. He's not really the size (length) I'm looking for at center (Marquise Chriss is just about the same size) which is why despite his rawness I would still prefer Mo Bamba. If its a value thing we can change the 2022 1st to a pick swap (GSW's choice) in order to send more value back to Orlando. And/or throw some of our recently acquired 2nd rd picks ORL's way (?)

If its just a matter of not wanting to give up Bamba or not get younger (i saw that somewhere) I can understand that. I do think having a top pick can inject some excitement into the organization, however, nothing injects excitement like winning so I totally get the reluctance from other posters to make a move up.

I don't think Ross, Birch and 3 picks are enough.

According to the rumors, GS was one of the teams that had been in the Gordon trade talks... I'm assuming that was for D'Lo. Obviously ORL fell short of Minny's offer. That Minny 2021 draft pick looks like a gem.

If GS would be in the same mindset of flipping assets like they did with D'Lo... and flipped Wiggins then the salary matching possibilities open up greatly.

Gordon, Ross, Birch, 2020, 2022, 2024 1sts, throw in a couple more 2nds.

For

Wiggins, Looney, 2020 1st

Salaries match. You get to keep your TPE for another asset. You get out from Wiggins contract.

In a way it ends up being D'Lo and your 1st for Gordon, Ross, Birch, 2020, 2022, 2024 1sts, 2nds plus Minny's 1st and 2nd. That's quite the haul.

A bunch of Magic fans might not want that Wiggins contract but Wiggins fits our GM's scouting profile.

With Bamba it's not a matter of getting value for him. He's just a big part of the future vision of this team imo.


This is the wrong draft to be trading up. If we didn't do it for Luka, we aren't doing it for the scrubs in the top 5 of this draft.
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Post#197 » by j-ragg » Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:50 pm

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azwfan wrote:Reading through some of the responses, I guess my original post wasn't clear.
I was not saying that all of that is the package we would expect back for the 1st pick, just that those are the things we would want from what ORL has (so mix and match to come up with your best offer). Honestly, I think your offer is more then i would expect to get back but would definitely take it if it worked under the salary cap! :) I like Vucevic, but he's not really what we want at center and he's a lot of value in an area we would rather not acquire it (if that makes sense). So rather than suck up a lot of the value for a type we don't really want, think its better if ORL holds onto him.

I also neglected to mention that GSW has a $17.18M TPE. (So Gordon doesn't fit into that TPE... which is why I think it would be tough to come up with a trade that includes him - even though I still like him despite his down year).

Birch, Ross, 2020 1st (15ish) + 2 additional unprotected firsts is still a strong offer IMO. I see Kheim is listed at 6'9" 234 lbs. He's not really the size (length) I'm looking for at center (Marquise Chriss is just about the same size) which is why despite his rawness I would still prefer Mo Bamba. If its a value thing we can change the 2022 1st to a pick swap (GSW's choice) in order to send more value back to Orlando. And/or throw some of our recently acquired 2nd rd picks ORL's way (?)

If its just a matter of not wanting to give up Bamba or not get younger (i saw that somewhere) I can understand that. I do think having a top pick can inject some excitement into the organization, however, nothing injects excitement like winning so I totally get the reluctance from other posters to make a move up.

I don't think Ross, Birch and 3 picks are enough.

According to the rumors, GS was one of the teams that had been in the Gordon trade talks... I'm assuming that was for D'Lo. Obviously ORL fell short of Minny's offer. That Minny 2021 draft pick looks like a gem.

If GS would be in the same mindset of flipping assets like they did with D'Lo... and flipped Wiggins then the salary matching possibilities open up greatly.

Gordon, Ross, Birch, 2020, 2022, 2024 1sts, throw in a couple more 2nds.

For

Wiggins, Looney, 2020 1st

Salaries match. You get to keep your TPE for another asset. You get out from Wiggins contract.

In a way it ends up being D'Lo and your 1st for Gordon, Ross, Birch, 2020, 2022, 2024 1sts, 2nds plus Minny's 1st and 2nd. That's quite the haul.

A bunch of Magic fans might not want that Wiggins contract but Wiggins fits our GM's scouting profile.

With Bamba it's not a matter of getting value for him. He's just a big part of the future vision of this team imo.


This is the wrong draft to be trading up. If we didn't do it for Luka, we aren't doing it for the scrubs in the top 5 of this draft.

Oh god... I can only imagine the corny lines the ticket reps would call with.

"Jimmy.... you're not gonna believe this. The Magic finally got their star we've been waiting for. It took a lot of assets but we finally got our guy LaMelo Ball! The ticket plans are flying off the shelves and will sell out any day now so call me back when you're ready to lock your seats in!"

Would be a very Magic thing to happen.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#198 » by Knightro » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:54 pm

In regards to trading up with the Warriors...

I don't know if Anthony Edwards is for sure going to be a superstar. He's certainly not as can't miss as Dončić or Zion.

But what I do know and what every single person on this board knows for sure is that Terrence Ross, Evan Fournier, Aaron Gordon and Mo Bamba are never going to superstars and probably not ever even all-stars.

So with that in mind, I would certainly roll the dice and see if Edwards can become a superstar/all-star SG in the league.

Ross, Bamba, 2020 1st, 2021 or 2022 unprotected 1st for for 1.

If GSW wanted to take Fournier into their TPE, I'd go for that too.

If GSW wanted Gordon and the Magic had to take Wiggins, I'd go for that too.

You'd still have Fultz and Isaac and those are the only two guys that really matter right now anyway.
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Post#199 » by No-Man » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:34 pm

I think in your spot, 15-16th, the best player is going to be the Guard that drops there between Maxey, Hayes, Mannion, one of them likely is available

If not it gets trickier, I have Tre Jones as the next PG and I'd be fine taking him there but he likely would not work with Fultz, Achiuwa is everything that this FO likes kinda, I think honestly the next guy with highest upside offensively is Leandro Bolmaro to me, maybe Theo Maledon but I am not super into him
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Post#200 » by zaymon » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:37 pm

Fischella wrote:I think in your spot, 15-16th, the best player is going to be the Guard that drops there between Maxey, Hayes, Mannion, one of them likely is available

If not it gets trickier, I have Tre Jones as the next PG and I'd be fine taking him there but he likely would not work with Fultz, Achiuwa is everything that this FO likes kinda, I think honestly the next guy with highest upside offensively is Leandro Bolmaro to me, maybe Theo Maledon but I am not super into him

What you think about shooting small forwards ? S. Bey, Nesmith. They seem to fit on our team aswell. Those guards you listed would have to slip a bit to fall into our laps. I would be also content with Okoro, Reed or Pokusevski.
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