mediocrityrules wrote:Good chance Bucks lose to the Pacers today without Giannis. Would that loss immediately boost his mvp considerations?!
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Judging by this thread it would more than double his chances!
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mediocrityrules wrote:Good chance Bucks lose to the Pacers today without Giannis. Would that loss immediately boost his mvp considerations?!
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Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
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penbeast0 wrote:Guys, if you don't have anything to say, don't post.
E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
Colbinii wrote:scrabbarista wrote:snip
Can you post your top 20?
scrabbarista wrote:Colbinii wrote:scrabbarista wrote:snip
Can you post your top 20?
I'll do it Friday, as like an All-Star Break thing. If I forget (and only do ten), remind me, and I will. But I'll still probably stick to Top Ten until the season's over. The formula is just supposed to give a winner, after all.
tsherkin wrote:Locked due to absence of adult conversation.
penbeast0 wrote:Guys, if you don't have anything to say, don't post.
E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
Colbinii wrote:scrabbarista wrote:Colbinii wrote:
Can you post your top 20?
I'll do it Friday, as like an All-Star Break thing. If I forget (and only do ten), remind me, and I will. But I'll still probably stick to Top Ten until the season's over. The formula is just supposed to give a winner, after all.
Well I made a top 20 list with tiers over on the PC Board [admittedly off the top of my head] and I was curious how yours looked comparatively. It's in the 2020 Player of the Year Discussion Thread over there [2nd page].
Appreciate it nonetheless.
Texas Chuck wrote:NO-KG-AI wrote:i wouldn't even know who to give it to if I couldn't pick Giannis, that's how one sided this race is.
I was thinking the same thing. There were points where I thought Harden was a clear 2nd, others when Lebron was. Never thought Luka or Siakam were at that level plus the games missed are adding up. Each of them have barely played more than Kawhi. AD should have never been a serious candidate despite the Laker hype machine.
It should be unanimous this year for Giannis. And I hate the argument against him being his teammates are playing well. That's an argument in his favor that his teammates can succeed around him. Especially when the same posters use that against him they use the exact opposite against Lebron or Harden.
scrabbarista wrote:Colbinii wrote:scrabbarista wrote:
I'll do it Friday, as like an All-Star Break thing. If I forget (and only do ten), remind me, and I will. But I'll still probably stick to Top Ten until the season's over. The formula is just supposed to give a winner, after all.
Well I made a top 20 list with tiers over on the PC Board [admittedly off the top of my head] and I was curious how yours looked comparatively. It's in the 2020 Player of the Year Discussion Thread over there [2nd page].
Appreciate it nonetheless.
Sounds cool. Mine's only current as of last Thursday morning, or I'd post now. Will do Friday morning, for sure. It's probably very different than yours in a few spots, especially between 15 and 20. If I did a top twenty off the top of my head, it'd probably be just as different from my MVP list in that range.
greekbuck34 wrote:C0bR wrote:Bucks are now 5-0 without Giannis with an average margin of victory being 17 points
They are the best team in basketball irrespective of him playing or not
Giannis has now slipped fully out of contention
The Clippers without Kawhi and PG put a good fight against he best team in basketball.
The Clippers with Kawhi and PG got 40 balled.
The Mavs without Luka beat the best team in basketball.
The Nuggets with Jokic a no factor and other injuries beat the best team in basketball.
The Miami Heat without Butler beat the best team in basketball.
The Lakers without Lebron and AD destroyed the thunder.
The Rockets without Harden and Westbrook destroyed Utah.
I think we have to agree that the teams are much better without their superstars.
Especially with the Bucks beating 5 lottery teams without Giannis.
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
Infinite Llamas wrote:C0bR wrote:Swish1906 wrote:Giannis plays over six (!) freaking minutes less per game than Harden. So if you look at per 100 possessions or per36min, he even outscores Harden...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=James+Harden&player_id1_select=James+Harden&player_id1=hardeja01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=Giannis+Antetokounmpo&player_id2_select=Giannis+Antetokounmpo&y2=2020&player_id2=antetgi01&idx=players
There isnt a discussion anymore who is MVP...
Giannis only plays 30 minutes per game because his team is excellent without him on the floor which allows him to play much harder during his 30 minutes and stuff 36-40 minutes-tier production into them
He is essentially playing 40 minutes a game masquerading as 30 and his production should be taken as such
His meteoric usage rate agrees with you. If he had a worse team around him I guarantee you he would be pacing himself more for a larger workload.
This will be two years in a row where he has a 50-40-90 teammate and I really don’t think his teammates get enough credit
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
C0bR wrote:Swish1906 wrote:Giannis plays over six (!) freaking minutes less per game than Harden. So if you look at per 100 possessions or per36min, he even outscores Harden...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=James+Harden&player_id1_select=James+Harden&player_id1=hardeja01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=Giannis+Antetokounmpo&player_id2_select=Giannis+Antetokounmpo&y2=2020&player_id2=antetgi01&idx=players
There isnt a discussion anymore who is MVP...
Giannis only plays 30 minutes per game because his team is excellent without him on the floor which allows him to play much harder during his 30 minutes and stuff 36-40 minutes-tier production into them
He is essentially playing 40 minutes a game masquerading as 30 and his production should be taken as such
Siefer wrote:C0bR wrote:Swish1906 wrote:Giannis plays over six (!) freaking minutes less per game than Harden. So if you look at per 100 possessions or per36min, he even outscores Harden...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=James+Harden&player_id1_select=James+Harden&player_id1=hardeja01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=Giannis+Antetokounmpo&player_id2_select=Giannis+Antetokounmpo&y2=2020&player_id2=antetgi01&idx=players
There isnt a discussion anymore who is MVP...
Giannis only plays 30 minutes per game because his team is excellent without him on the floor which allows him to play much harder during his 30 minutes and stuff 36-40 minutes-tier production into them
He is essentially playing 40 minutes a game masquerading as 30 and his production should be taken as such
You might be on to something. We can apply a new metric, Player Effort Normalized Isolated Statistics, to everyone to understand their real impact. For example, Whiteside puts about 5 minutes worth of effort into his 31 minutes, so really, he'd be averaging 97.34 points, 87.42 rebounds, and 19.2 blocks per game if he really wanted to!
Green89 wrote:Poll isn't aging well with Tatum not in it.
GSP wrote:Green89 wrote:Poll isn't aging well with Tatum not in it.
I dont even know how Davis is still an option. Its very obvious that he isnt even the most valuable player on his team and its been that way all season
scrabbarista wrote:as of the morning of February 14th
The spreadsheet now includes 61 players. Apologies to Kelly Oubre and OG Anunoby - and probably at least a dozen others. As always, it's an honor just to be nominated.
Now that Wiggins and Drummond have been traded, the New York Knicks are the only team without a player on the spreadsheet (GSW and CLE were previously unrepresented). And yes, Wiggins is in 61st.
Since last week:
TOP 5 RISERS
1. Russell Westbrook +1.13 [team record 2-2]
2. James Harden +1.06 [2-2]
3. Anthony Davis +1.02 [3-1]
4. Kristaps Porzingis +1.02 [2-2]
5. Chris Paul +0.98 [2-2]
FALLERS
1. Kawhi Leonard -0.75 [team record 1-3]
2. Bam Adebayo -0.60 [1-3]
3. Dennis Schroeder -0.60 [2-2]
4. Derrick Rose -0.49 [0-4]
5. Jimmy Butler -0.37 [1-3]
James Harden joins the RISERS for the second straight week after being in the FALLERS the week before.
Antetokounmpo and Beal tie for the next (6th/7th) spot among the RISERS.
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TOP TWENTY
1. 16.6 Antetokounmpo, MIL [since last week: even] [+0.87]
2. 15.4 Harden, HOU [+2] [+1.06]
3. 15.1 James, LAL [-1] [-0.03]
4. 14.9 Gobert, UTA [-1] [+0.27]
5. 13.4 Lillard, POR [even] [+0.12]
6. 13.0 Jokic, DEN [+1] [+0.27]
7. 12.3 Leonard, LAC [-1] [-0.75]
8. 12.2 Doncic, DAL [+1] [+0.68]
9. 11.7 Paul, OKC [+2] [+0.98]
10. 11.6 Butler, MIA [-2] [-0.37]
11. 11.2 Davis, LAL [+3] [+1.02]
12. 11.2 Middleton, MIL [+1] [+0.65]
13. 10.9 Tatum, BOS [-1] [+0.31]
14. 10.5 Adebayo, MIA [-5] [-0.60]
15. 9.6 Sabonis, IND [even] [+0.12]
16. 9.5 Simmons, PHI [+4] [+0.72]
17. 9.4 Bledsoe, MIL [even] [+0.23]
18. 9.3 Whiteside, POR [even] [+0.27]
19. 9.2 Bogdanovic, UTA [-3] [-0.03]
20. 9.2 Millsap, DEN [+5] [+0.87]
I decided to post the Top Twenty for All-Star Weekend. Back to a Top Ten next week. Remember, these are not supposed to be the "top twenty players." This formula is designed to give a top five MVP ballot over 82 games - or even just a top one. It does a very good job of that, in my humble opinion. Anything else it does - however well or badly - is just a curiosity.
Giannis Antetokounmpo's lead seems to be growing steadily on the merit of his consistency while the players behind him rise and fall from week to week and month to month. It would take something very unexpected for Antetokounmpo not to win, but with (slightly!) more than a third of the season left to play, the race is far from over.
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Zion Watch: 7.18 Williamson, NOP [+13] [+1.43]
Fun Facts: Zion's TS% is .620, his PER is 25.4, and his USG% is 30.9
C0bR wrote:Swish1906 wrote:Giannis plays over six (!) freaking minutes less per game than Harden. So if you look at per 100 possessions or per36min, he even outscores Harden...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=James+Harden&player_id1_select=James+Harden&player_id1=hardeja01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=Giannis+Antetokounmpo&player_id2_select=Giannis+Antetokounmpo&y2=2020&player_id2=antetgi01&idx=players
There isnt a discussion anymore who is MVP...
Giannis only plays 30 minutes per game because his team is excellent without him on the floor which allows him to play much harder during his 30 minutes and stuff 36-40 minutes-tier production into them
He is essentially playing 40 minutes a game masquerading as 30 and his production should be taken as such
Packbuckman wrote:scrabbarista wrote:as of the morning of February 14th
The spreadsheet now includes 61 players. Apologies to Kelly Oubre and OG Anunoby - and probably at least a dozen others. As always, it's an honor just to be nominated.
Now that Wiggins and Drummond have been traded, the New York Knicks are the only team without a player on the spreadsheet (GSW and CLE were previously unrepresented). And yes, Wiggins is in 61st.
Since last week:
TOP 5 RISERS
1. Russell Westbrook +1.13 [team record 2-2]
2. James Harden +1.06 [2-2]
3. Anthony Davis +1.02 [3-1]
4. Kristaps Porzingis +1.02 [2-2]
5. Chris Paul +0.98 [2-2]
FALLERS
1. Kawhi Leonard -0.75 [team record 1-3]
2. Bam Adebayo -0.60 [1-3]
3. Dennis Schroeder -0.60 [2-2]
4. Derrick Rose -0.49 [0-4]
5. Jimmy Butler -0.37 [1-3]
James Harden joins the RISERS for the second straight week after being in the FALLERS the week before.
Antetokounmpo and Beal tie for the next (6th/7th) spot among the RISERS.
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TOP TWENTY
1. 16.6 Antetokounmpo, MIL [since last week: even] [+0.87]
2. 15.4 Harden, HOU [+2] [+1.06]
3. 15.1 James, LAL [-1] [-0.03]
4. 14.9 Gobert, UTA [-1] [+0.27]
5. 13.4 Lillard, POR [even] [+0.12]
6. 13.0 Jokic, DEN [+1] [+0.27]
7. 12.3 Leonard, LAC [-1] [-0.75]
8. 12.2 Doncic, DAL [+1] [+0.68]
9. 11.7 Paul, OKC [+2] [+0.98]
10. 11.6 Butler, MIA [-2] [-0.37]
11. 11.2 Davis, LAL [+3] [+1.02]
12. 11.2 Middleton, MIL [+1] [+0.65]
13. 10.9 Tatum, BOS [-1] [+0.31]
14. 10.5 Adebayo, MIA [-5] [-0.60]
15. 9.6 Sabonis, IND [even] [+0.12]
16. 9.5 Simmons, PHI [+4] [+0.72]
17. 9.4 Bledsoe, MIL [even] [+0.23]
18. 9.3 Whiteside, POR [even] [+0.27]
19. 9.2 Bogdanovic, UTA [-3] [-0.03]
20. 9.2 Millsap, DEN [+5] [+0.87]
I decided to post the Top Twenty for All-Star Weekend. Back to a Top Ten next week. Remember, these are not supposed to be the "top twenty players." This formula is designed to give a top five MVP ballot over 82 games - or even just a top one. It does a very good job of that, in my humble opinion. Anything else it does - however well or badly - is just a curiosity.
Giannis Antetokounmpo's lead seems to be growing steadily on the merit of his consistency while the players behind him rise and fall from week to week and month to month. It would take something very unexpected for Antetokounmpo not to win, but with (slightly!) more than a third of the season left to play, the race is far from over.
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Zion Watch: 7.18 Williamson, NOP [+13] [+1.43]
Fun Facts: Zion's TS% is .620, his PER is 25.4, and his USG% is 30.9
Dam the Bucks have 3 players in the top 20 who would of thunk lol
Packbuckman wrote:
Dam the Bucks have 3 players in the top 20 who would of thunk lol