Trading away 2020 no.1 pick?

giberish · Post #21 » by **giberish** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:25 am

Right now there doesn't look to be a clear #1. If that continues I could see any of these teams trading down a few spots for fit.

Golden State is the only one likely to trade away all or most of the value of a #1 pick for win-now help. As noted, Curry/Klay/Green are getting older. A young rookie won't help them win next season - and 3-4 years down the road when they become good may be too late. GS keeping the pick increases their chances of being good for longer but decreases their chances of becoming great.

NYG · Post #22 » by **NYG** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:31 am

Resistance wrote:
NYG wrote:
Mamba4Goat wrote:
Yup. It totally depends on what shakes out in the market. If the best available players are Wiggins, Love, and Chris Paul I'm probably not trading that pick if I'm any team.

Aaron Gordon and 15 for 1?

No

So for the hypothetical of this thread trading #1 for a vet, which vet is realistic and makes sense?

Warriorfan · Post #23 » by **Warriorfan** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:31 am

Really depends on the order. I think Atl would trade up to #1 to get Edwards the combo guard.

GS could trade down multiple times Topin seems like 2nd tier target.

NYG · Post #24 » by **NYG** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:34 am

Markkanen and 8 for 1?

gambitx777 · Post #25 » by **gambitx777** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:38 am

I get what you're saying but I don't see it that way. Curry, clay and green are clearly at the peaks of what they are and may be there for a few seasons but will decline sooner or later. I would not trade a win now over building for the future in the west. You have the 2 L.A. teams and a bunch of to their teams coming up. If they build a team right they might be able to be the Spurs and win one at the end of the splash Bros time in the NBA but I think it would be silly to rush it now when they only have 4 players over the age of 25 on that team. And they can restock with the picks and use that TPE to build the bench. Trading back to get more assets or a vet is a great idea but flat out trading the pick is silly and short sighted imo .

giberish wrote:Right now there doesn't look to be a clear #1. If that continues I could see any of these teams trading down a few spots for fit.

Golden State is the only one likely to trade away all or most of the value of a #1 pick for win-now help. As noted, Curry/Klay/Green are getting older. A young rookie won't help them win next season - and 3-4 years down the road when they become good may be too late. GS keeping the pick increases their chances of being good for longer but decreases their chances of becoming great.

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Resistance · Post #26 » by **Resistance** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:41 am

NYG wrote:
Resistance wrote:
NYG wrote:
Aaron Gordon and 15 for 1?

No

So for the hypothetical of this thread trading #1 for a vet, which vet is realistic and makes sense?

1. Golden State
They already have Draymond and Gordon wouldn't help with the spacing.

2. Cleveland
Still has Nance and Love.

3. Atlanta
They have Collins at PF and Gordon doesn't shoot well enough to be a full time SF.

4. Minnesota
Doesn't seem like a good fit with their philosophy.

5. New York
They already have Randle being a negative for spacing.

6. Charlotte
They need to cross their fingers and hope to get at least a star at #1. Trading down to #15 and
getting Gordon makes it much more difficult to do.

7. Detroit
Has Blake

8. Chicago
Since Porter and Hutchison have had health problems, they need to find a SF. They already have
Markkanen at PF and Young who is now probably more PF than SF.

9. Washington
They like spacing and could use better defense. Don't see Gordon adapting.

10. Phoenix
Jump from #10 to #1 and then trade back down to #15 and Gordon. Nope.

11. Sacramento
Already has Bagley as a project that needs to work on three point shooting and defense.

12. San Antonio
Jump from #12 to #1 and then trade back down to #15 and Gordon. Nope.
They already have DDR to work the area between the three point line and the basket.

13. New Orleans
Has Zion and Ingram to play PF and SF.

14. Portland
Jump from #14 to #1 and then trade back down to #15 and Gordon. Nope.

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So for the hypothetical of this thread trading #1 for a vet, which vet is realistic and makes sense?

Somebody sort of the opposite of Gordon. If a team is trading back from #1 to mid first round and a player, the player needs to be somebody that a team shouldn't have to worry about fitting in. Gordon has a few too many question marks to be that player.

giberish · Post #27 » by **giberish** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:02 am

gambitx777 wrote:I get what you're saying but I don't see it that way. Curry, clay and green are clearly at the peaks of what they are and may be there for a few seasons but will decline sooner or later. I would not trade a win now over building for the future in the west. You have the 2 L.A. teams and a bunch of to their teams coming up. If they build a team right they might be able to be the Spurs and win one at the end of the splash Bros time in the NBA but I think it would be silly to rush it now when they only have 4 players over the age of 25 on that team. And they can restock with the picks and use that TPE to build the bench. Trading back to get more assets or a vet is a great idea but flat out trading the pick is silly and short sighted imo .
giberish wrote:Right now there doesn't look to be a clear #1. If that continues I could see any of these teams trading down a few spots for fit.

Golden State is the only one likely to trade away all or most of the value of a #1 pick for win-now help. As noted, Curry/Klay/Green are getting older. A young rookie won't help them win next season - and 3-4 years down the road when they become good may be too late. GS keeping the pick increases their chances of being good for longer but decreases their chances of becoming great.

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If the difference is winning one more title over the next 2-3 years but then falling into the lottery (by trading the pick in a win-now move) vs being a 2nd round at best team the next 2-3 years but then staying as a 6-8 seed for several more years afterwards (by keeping the pick) then the choice is completely trivial - go for the extra ring. You have a good chance to win a title then try to win the title.

If there was a high-quality #1 overall pick in the draft who could plausibly lead to multiple titles down the road as a lead player then you've got a decision but that player obviously isn't in this draft. The only reason for GS not to trade down would be if there was absolutely no market. If teams are just offering meh that won't really make a difference then you might as well keep the pick but it would be a disappointing result.

gambitx777 · Post #28 » by **gambitx777** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:44 am

I just don't think there is a clear path to a title.with that group and another vet more so that group and some good young talent and depth. The west is a **** shark tank.

giberish wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I get what you're saying but I don't see it that way. Curry, clay and green are clearly at the peaks of what they are and may be there for a few seasons but will decline sooner or later. I would not trade a win now over building for the future in the west. You have the 2 L.A. teams and a bunch of to their teams coming up. If they build a team right they might be able to be the Spurs and win one at the end of the splash Bros time in the NBA but I think it would be silly to rush it now when they only have 4 players over the age of 25 on that team. And they can restock with the picks and use that TPE to build the bench. Trading back to get more assets or a vet is a great idea but flat out trading the pick is silly and short sighted imo .
giberish wrote:Right now there doesn't look to be a clear #1. If that continues I could see any of these teams trading down a few spots for fit.

Golden State is the only one likely to trade away all or most of the value of a #1 pick for win-now help. As noted, Curry/Klay/Green are getting older. A young rookie won't help them win next season - and 3-4 years down the road when they become good may be too late. GS keeping the pick increases their chances of being good for longer but decreases their chances of becoming great.

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If the difference is winning one more title over the next 2-3 years but then falling into the lottery (by trading the pick in a win-now move) vs being a 2nd round at best team the next 2-3 years but then staying as a 6-8 seed for several more years afterwards (by keeping the pick) then the choice is completely trivial - go for the extra ring. You have a good chance to win a title then try to win the title.

If there was a high-quality #1 overall pick in the draft who could plausibly lead to multiple titles down the road as a lead player then you've got a decision but that player obviously isn't in this draft. The only reason for GS not to trade down would be if there was absolutely no market. If teams are just offering meh that won't really make a difference then you might as well keep the pick but it would be a disappointing result.

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Post #29 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:45 am

NYG wrote:Markkanen and 8 for 1?

I wouldn't do AG, but this could maybe work.

rugbyrugger23 · Post #30 » by **rugbyrugger23** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:40 am

I think wherever the Wolves 2020 FRP lands it is instantly on the block.

#1
#16
Culver
JJ (expiring filler)
FFRP(s)

Wolves go shopping with that capital.

Post #31 » by **gswhoops** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:39 am

gambitx777 wrote:I don't think GS is gonna do that. They built that team from the bottom up the right way. They are good talent evaluators . They know clay and Steph and green can't hang on for ever they need new blood.
Nate the Great wrote:Wiseman seems like the best player in the draft, but some mocks have him falling a bit. Usually we know who is the top rated player before the draft, so we will get a better idea of who might trade down from there.

The Warriors are that rare team that may draft early but are in win-now mode. Although Wiseman could probably help them pretty quickly, they’d probably trade the pick for the right veteran.

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It pains me to say this as a GS fan, but we haven’t been good talent evaluators in the draft recently. Who was the last 1st we hit on...Looney? (Granted the #1 overall pick is different from a late 1st)

It all depends on who’s available but I’d rather maximize our title window while the Curry/Klay/Green core is still in its prime than bank on a 19 year old who might not be good until it’s too late

Reign23 · Post #32 » by **Reign23** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:58 pm

I hope the knicks would trade it for beal or one of simmons/embiid (maybe in a three team deal) if one of them becomes available.

chitownsalesmen · Post #33 » by **chitownsalesmen** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:33 pm

Am I the only one whose picked Wiseman in 2k20 franchise and killed it with him being like a Joel Embiid/Jokic hybrid?

Obviously no way to know how Wiseman will pan out but I think unless I'm the t-wolves I'd be more inclined into keep the Wiseman pick.

giberish · Post #34 » by **giberish** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:48 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I just don't think there is a clear path to a title.with that group and another vet more so that group and some good young talent and depth. The west is a **** shark tank.
giberish wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I get what you're saying but I don't see it that way. Curry, clay and green are clearly at the peaks of what they are and may be there for a few seasons but will decline sooner or later. I would not trade a win now over building for the future in the west. You have the 2 L.A. teams and a bunch of to their teams coming up. If they build a team right they might be able to be the Spurs and win one at the end of the splash Bros time in the NBA but I think it would be silly to rush it now when they only have 4 players over the age of 25 on that team. And they can restock with the picks and use that TPE to build the bench. Trading back to get more assets or a vet is a great idea but flat out trading the pick is silly and short sighted imo .

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If the difference is winning one more title over the next 2-3 years but then falling into the lottery (by trading the pick in a win-now move) vs being a 2nd round at best team the next 2-3 years but then staying as a 6-8 seed for several more years afterwards (by keeping the pick) then the choice is completely trivial - go for the extra ring. You have a good chance to win a title then try to win the title.

If there was a high-quality #1 overall pick in the draft who could plausibly lead to multiple titles down the road as a lead player then you've got a decision but that player obviously isn't in this draft. The only reason for GS not to trade down would be if there was absolutely no market. If teams are just offering meh that won't really make a difference then you might as well keep the pick but it would be a disappointing result.

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There will always be good teams around. You can't say - there's a couple good teams now, let's wait to compete for a few years - because in a few years there will be other good teams. Mediocre is never going to be a title contender. But if the Curry/Klay/Green core is healthy they just need a couple more quality guys around them to be as good as anyone. They could plausibly get that by leveraging a high lotto pick for win-now value.

Ball4life32 · Post #35 » by **Ball4life32** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:57 pm

chitownsalesmen wrote:Am I the only one whose picked Wiseman in 2k20 franchise and killed it with him being like a Joel Embiid/Jokic hybrid?

Obviously no way to know how Wiseman will pan out but I think unless I'm the t-wolves I'd be more inclined into keep the Wiseman pick.

Yeah give me Wiseman or Edwards on the Hawks. If not, wouldn’t be mad if they traded it.

NYG · Post #36 » by **NYG** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:41 pm

Mamba4Goat wrote:
NYG wrote:Markkanen and 8 for 1?

I wouldn't do AG, but this could maybe work.

Does Edwards fit with LaVine? Would the Bulls take Wiseman and slide WCJ to PF?

Post #37 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:59 pm

NYG wrote:
Mamba4Goat wrote:
NYG wrote:Markkanen and 8 for 1?

I wouldn't do AG, but this could maybe work.

Does Edwards fit with LaVine? Would the Bulls take Wiseman and slide WCJ to PF?

I honestly don't watch college so I'm not entirely sure what each prospect needs and/or brings to the table.

CP War Hawks · Post #38 » by **CP War Hawks** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:32 pm

DeathLineup wrote:Which team(s) do you think if they own the 2020 no.1 overall pick, they would trade it?

You may select more than one options. You can even select all of the options.

For the options, I simply listed five teams with the worst records as of now.

I think all of em. Matter of fact, I believe this will the time a team trades or seriously tries to trade the 1st overall pick.

gambitx777 · Post #39 » by **gambitx777** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:33 pm

But they can probably do that with out giving up that pick. They have some good young guys right now and a big hefty trade exception they can use over the summer. Since the hard cap expires when the league year ends and the trade exception doesn't fade till after that they can take on some guys from teams looking to dump contracts. Bobby portis, Thad young, satoranski, Lopez , Eric gordon there are slightly over paid vets teams might pay you to take. GS should consider trading back for a pick in the late teens late loto and a good player but I wouldn't flat out trade that pick .it's not a good move.

giberish wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I just don't think there is a clear path to a title.with that group and another vet more so that group and some good young talent and depth. The west is a **** shark tank.
giberish wrote:
If the difference is winning one more title over the next 2-3 years but then falling into the lottery (by trading the pick in a win-now move) vs being a 2nd round at best team the next 2-3 years but then staying as a 6-8 seed for several more years afterwards (by keeping the pick) then the choice is completely trivial - go for the extra ring. You have a good chance to win a title then try to win the title.

If there was a high-quality #1 overall pick in the draft who could plausibly lead to multiple titles down the road as a lead player then you've got a decision but that player obviously isn't in this draft. The only reason for GS not to trade down would be if there was absolutely no market. If teams are just offering meh that won't really make a difference then you might as well keep the pick but it would be a disappointing result.

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There will always be good teams around. You can't say - there's a couple good teams now, let's wait to compete for a few years - because in a few years there will be other good teams. Mediocre is never going to be a title contender. But if the Curry/Klay/Green core is healthy they just need a couple more quality guys around them to be as good as anyone. They could plausibly get that by leveraging a high lotto pick for win-now value.

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Patsfan1081 · Post #40 » by **Patsfan1081** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:37 am

chitownsalesmen wrote:Am I the only one whose picked Wiseman in 2k20 franchise and killed it with him being like a Joel Embiid/Jokic hybrid?

Obviously no way to know how Wiseman will pan out but I think unless I'm the t-wolves I'd be more inclined into keep the Wiseman pick.

I remember watching Mobley as a junior handle Wiseman easily as a senior, Mobley on most boards is the best big in the next class and maybe the 4th best prospect and he'll prob take some time to develope. Wiseman will def need some time to develope and both sides of the ball, his inside game is prob the only positive coming in.

Team(s) that would trade away 2020 no.1 pick?