Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[drosereturn]

Given that Andrew starts off every year amazingly, I would really, really encourage tempering excitement.

I dont think thats the case. He usually isnt that good making threes and in 4 game sample, has been very consistent in high volume and plays like a completely different player almost looks like MIN got robbed.
Getting open looks from D Green and learning better form from Steph, Klay should make his 3% close to 40%.
He already looks comfortable in GSW and all of his shots are not forced despite playing with Gleague players since he plays within the system and not the focal point avging less than 15 shots. At full strength, he should play even better with most pressure taken off as the 4th best player which is every team's dream. If he somehow maintain his 3par and ftr, thats an all star player.

If everything goes well, he might end up even better value than DAR and the pick is a cherry on the top. While MIN looks good as well, they better be competitive otherwise risk losing a top pick.

[Klomp]

I don't think people realize how much Minnesota has lacked someone like Russell in its franchise's history. Golden State has had PGs like Steph Curry, Tim Hardaway and Baron Davis, so in comparison Russell isn't very impressive. Two games in, Russell is already joining a select list of Timberwolves.

26 times has a Timberwolves player recorded 25+ points, 10+ assists and 5+ rebounds in a game in franchise history, with Russell joining the list on Wednesday night. Only five different players have recorded multiple such games in a Timberwolves uniform. (Steph Curry has 29 career games with that statline. James Harden has 98. Russell Westbrook has 117.)

Russell isn't Curry. He'll probably never be an all-time great. But that doesn't mean he can't give Minnesota a major boost, something they've sorely lacked in the franchise.

[Fo-Real]

I am kind of a D Lo fan, wish the Suns had at least tried to get him. But if you had told me he would be available for a package with Wiggins coming back when the Dubs got him, I would have told you that you were crazy as hell. Maybe the Warriors see some as yet untapped potential that now two previous teams saw and decided was bull but Wiggins was thought of as a fake star and bad decision up till this trade. Either Wiggins is worth way more than I thought or D Lo is worth way less and or the bad rumors were thought to be true by the Warriors.

Wasn't a straight up trade though. The Minny pick for 2021 is the actual prize

So a first round pick to take on an over paid and so far (in his whole career) underperforming Wiggins?!?! That's a lot of money and a lot of years of that money to think a protected 1st round pick is the prize. Seems a pretty low price for the T wolves and they move on from the terrible extension they gave Wiggins? To me it points to the Warriors feeling they NEEDED to get off of Russell's contract. Like neither team valued the player they had.

[InWestWeTrust]

Dlo is a slightly bigger modern NBA Monta Ellis


Makes you FEEL like he’s impacting the game with his offense, but completely blowing it on defense time after time.

[Warriorfan]

Its a small sample size but you can see Wiggins being efficient in Warriors system.

Yeah I'll take 6 seasons and 445 games shooting .521 (true shooting percentage) worth of data and value it over 4 games with the warriors.

He had talent in Minnesota hell a heck of alot more then the dubs do right now. He was never efficient.

It isnt about talent, it is all about the system.

Burks
GR3
D-Lo
Chriss
Jerebko
Cook
Iggy
Livington
Zaza
West
Mcgee
KD

All these have the highest TS% with GSW

Wiggins on this team will not be about offense it will be his nightly defensive match up on top scorers GS will face especially as Klay comes back.

[Mylie10]

I am kind of a D Lo fan, wish the Suns had at least tried to get him. But if you had told me he would be available for a package with Wiggins coming back when the Dubs got him, I would have told you that you were crazy as hell. Maybe the Warriors see some as yet untapped potential that now two previous teams saw and decided was bull but Wiggins was thought of as a fake star and bad decision up till this trade. Either Wiggins is worth way more than I thought or D Lo is worth way less and or the bad rumors were thought to be true by the Warriors.

Wasn't a straight up trade though. The Minny pick for 2021 is the actual prize

So a first round pick to take on an over paid and so far (in his whole career) underperforming Wiggins?!?! That's a lot of money and a lot of years of that money to think a protected 1st round pick is the prize. Seems a pretty low price for the T wolves and they move on from the terrible extension they gave Wiggins? To me it points to the Warriors feeling they NEEDED to get off of Russell's contract. Like neither team valued the player they had.

The Warriors also needed the salary slot, which is 28 million this year. It allows the Warriors to add a player, via trade, that could eventually be a Giannis or Anthony Davis. Not saying that would happen, but it allows them to make that sort of deal and still maintain their core 3 guys.

So the salary Wiggins makes actually helps them stay in the conversation for the big names. And he fits their needs more than DLo does, who's an iso scorer and doesn't fit the ball movement style they like to run. Also would force Klay Thompson to be a small forward. That's why Wiggins fits better.

I also realize that the odds of getting Giannis or Anthony Davis are very slim. It would take them forcing their way to Golden State. But to be in position to make a move like that, you need the salary Wiggins has to get it done. Plus the draft capital.

[gorz]

Dlo is a slightly bigger modern NBA Monta Ellis


Makes you FEEL like he’s impacting the game with his offense, but completely blowing it on defense time after time.

Dlo is same size as James Harden with like almost a 6'10 wingspan..hes quite bit bigger than Ellis.

Very few guards in the league are elite on both offense and defense. Hes shown he can lead rally his team to playoffs with Brooklyn despite mediocre defense also Dlo didn't really get a fair shake in GS as we never got to see him play with steph klay dray all fully healthy.

[Fo-Real]

Wasn't a straight up trade though. The Minny pick for 2021 is the actual prize

So a first round pick to take on an over paid and so far (in his whole career) underperforming Wiggins?!?! That's a lot of money and a lot of years of that money to think a protected 1st round pick is the prize. Seems a pretty low price for the T wolves and they move on from the terrible extension they gave Wiggins? To me it points to the Warriors feeling they NEEDED to get off of Russell's contract. Like neither team valued the player they had.

The Warriors also needed the salary slot, which is 28 million this year. It allows the Warriors to add a player, via trade, that could eventually be a Giannis or Anthony Davis. Not saying that would happen, but it allows them to make that sort of deal and still maintain their core 3 guys.

So the salary Wiggins makes actually helps them stay in the conversation for the big names. And he fits their needs more than DLo does, who's an iso scorer and doesn't fit the ball movement style they like to run. Also would force Klay Thompson to be a small forward. That's why Wiggins fits better.

I also realize that the odds of getting Giannis or Anthony Davis are very slim. It would take them forcing their way to Golden State. But to be in position to make a move like that, you need the salary Wiggins has to get it done. Plus the draft capital.

I get it.

[CS707]

Dlo is a slightly bigger modern NBA Monta Ellis


Makes you FEEL like he’s impacting the game with his offense, but completely blowing it on defense time after time.

Dlo is same size as James Harden with like almost a 6'10 wingspan..hes quite bit bigger than Ellis.

Very few guards in the league are elite on both offense and defense. Hes shown he can lead rally his team to playoffs with Brooklyn despite mediocre defense also Dlo didn't really get a fair shake in GS as we never got to see him play with steph klay dray all fully healthy.

The organization saw enough of him to not even care to wait until Steph and Klay were back. That’s telling right there. I was disappointed with the trade initially but in hindsight the market just doesn’t appear to have been there.

[Warriorfan]

Wasn't a straight up trade though. The Minny pick for 2021 is the actual prize

So a first round pick to take on an over paid and so far (in his whole career) underperforming Wiggins?!?! That's a lot of money and a lot of years of that money to think a protected 1st round pick is the prize. Seems a pretty low price for the T wolves and they move on from the terrible extension they gave Wiggins? To me it points to the Warriors feeling they NEEDED to get off of Russell's contract. Like neither team valued the player they had.

The Warriors also needed the salary slot, which is 28 million this year. It allows the Warriors to add a player, via trade, that could eventually be a Giannis or Anthony Davis. Not saying that would happen, but it allows them to make that sort of deal and still maintain their core 3 guys.

So the salary Wiggins makes actually helps them stay in the conversation for the big names. And he fits their needs more than DLo does, who's an iso scorer and doesn't fit the ball movement style they like to run. Also would force Klay Thompson to be a small forward. That's why Wiggins fits better.

I also realize that the odds of getting Giannis or Anthony Davis are very slim. It would take them forcing their way to Golden State. But to be in position to make a move like that, you need the salary Wiggins has to get it done. Plus the draft capital.

Good point.
One note that max slot can also be met with the 17 mil TPE a player like Looney 5 mil and a lotto pick.

[John Murdoch]

We're talking about two incredible underachievers here. Let's just expect them both to be who they were? It's about how they underachieve in their new system. Maybe they both fit better so both teams end up better. ?

mehh i wouldnt call Dlo an under achiever . Out of thatoriginal Lakers "youth core" grouping he has panned out way better than Randle, Clarkson, Kuzma. His brooklyn season is a better sample size than GSW where he was basically a casualty of war (to land Kyrie/asset management from gsw) . Infact id comfortably was he is a top 15 pg in the NBA

[xdrta+]

One note that max slot can also be met with the 17 mil TPE a player like Looney 5 mil and a lotto pick.

If you mean combine the $17M TPE with Looney's $5M to get a $22M player, it can't be done. You can't add onto the TPE to get a more expensive player, the contract you get has to fit into the $17M.

[drosereturn]

Wasn't a straight up trade though. The Minny pick for 2021 is the actual prize

So a first round pick to take on an over paid and so far (in his whole career) underperforming Wiggins?!?! That's a lot of money and a lot of years of that money to think a protected 1st round pick is the prize. Seems a pretty low price for the T wolves and they move on from the terrible extension they gave Wiggins? To me it points to the Warriors feeling they NEEDED to get off of Russell's contract. Like neither team valued the player they had.

The Warriors also needed the salary slot, which is 28 million this year. It allows the Warriors to add a player, via trade, that could eventually be a Giannis or Anthony Davis. Not saying that would happen, but it allows them to make that sort of deal and still maintain their core 3 guys.

So the salary Wiggins makes actually helps them stay in the conversation for the big names. And he fits their needs more than DLo does, who's an iso scorer and doesn't fit the ball movement style they like to run. Also would force Klay Thompson to be a small forward. That's why Wiggins fits better.

I also realize that the odds of getting Giannis or Anthony Davis are very slim. It would take them forcing their way to Golden State. But to be in position to make a move like that, you need the salary Wiggins has to get it done. Plus the draft capital.

Bingo. Wiggins is merely a salary filler assuming he ups his value to a starter. The real prize is a top pick which alone is better than DAR already assuming they get top 4. If they get unprotected next year even better in a stacked draft. They could easily get Giannis with something like Wiggins+ unprotected+ @.

[Warriorfan]

One note that max slot can also be met with the 17 mil TPE a player like Looney 5 mil and a lotto pick.

If you mean combine the $17M TPE with Looney's $5M to get a $22M player, it can't be done. You can't add onto the TPE to get a more expensive player, the contract you get has to fit into the $17M.

No it's use TPE say Iguadalla in June, 15 mil ung 2021
Combine with Looney 5 mil PO 2021
Plus slot of lotto pick Min #1/ plus GS #1 say 7mil and 1

You can trade for 35 mil ish player

[xdrta+]

One note that max slot can also be met with the 17 mil TPE a player like Looney 5 mil and a lotto pick.

If you mean combine the $17M TPE with Looney's $5M to get a $22M player, it can't be done. You can't add onto the TPE to get a more expensive player, the contract you get has to fit into the $17M.

No it's use TPE say Iguadalla in June, 15 mil ung 2021
Combine with Looney 5 mil PO 2021
Plus slot of lotto pick Min #1/ plus GS #1 say 7mil and 1

You can trade for 35 mil ish player

That's a little hard to decipher. You're saying you could trade for Iguodala using the TPE, then trade him and Looney plus 2 picks for a $35M player? Is that right? Because that doesn't add up. Draft picks have $0 value in trades, for one thing.

[davidfr94]

I think dlo is Boeing quite overrated around here.

Wiggins and Russel are pretty much the same impact wize.
I am seeing post saying that he is some all star that carried a team to the playoffs.

He did not. The system was only made so that he had all the freedom to score (something he is really good at).

At least with Wiggins there is still hope that he could put it together but even if he does not Wiggins = Russel.

I think the warriors settled for this trade because every gm knows that Russel is not someone you should pay the max if you want to win. He won't improve the wolves winning percengage by a lot by himself.

So the warriors pretty much got a player similar in value that fits a lot better + a really good pick and that is supposed to be a bad trade ?

What did you think Russel will get you ? Embiid ?

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[Warriorfan]

If you mean combine the $17M TPE with Looney's $5M to get a $22M player, it can't be done. You can't add onto the TPE to get a more expensive player, the contract you get has to fit into the $17M.

No it's use TPE say Iguadalla in June, 15 mil ung 2021
Combine with Looney 5 mil PO 2021
Plus slot of lotto pick Min #1/ plus GS #1 say 7mil and 1

You can trade for 35 mil ish player

That's a little hard to decipher. You're saying you could trade for Iguodala using the TPE, then trade him and Looney plus 2 picks for a $35M player? Is that right? Because that doesn't add up. Draft picks have $0 value in trades, for one thing.

Incorrect
a signed draft player is a slot so it works

[GordanFreeman]

I don't think people realize how much Minnesota has lacked someone like Russell in its franchise's history. Golden State has had PGs like Steph Curry, Tim Hardaway and Baron Davis, so in comparison Russell isn't very impressive. Two games in, Russell is already joining a select list of Timberwolves.

26 times has a Timberwolves player recorded 25+ points, 10+ assists and 5+ rebounds in a game in franchise history, with Russell joining the list on Wednesday night. Only five different players have recorded multiple such games in a Timberwolves uniform. (Steph Curry has 29 career games with that statline. James Harden has 98. Russell Westbrook has 117.)

Russell isn't Curry. There's no way in hell he'll ever be an all-time great. But that doesn't mean he can't give Minnesota a major boost, something they've sorely lacked in the franchise.

FTFY bud.

[trending]

I think dlo is Boeing quite overrated around here.

Wiggins and Russel are pretty much the same impact wize.
I am seeing post saying that he is some all star that carried a team to the playoffs.

He did not. The system was only made so that he had all the freedom to score (something he is really good at).

At least with Wiggins there is still that he could put it together but even he does not Wiggins = Russel.

I think the warriors settled for this trade because every gm knows that Russel is not someone you shouldnt pay the max if you want to win. He won't improve the wolves winning percengage by a lot by himself.

So the warriors pretty got a player pretty similar in value that fits a lot better + a really good and that is supposed to be a bad trade ?

What did you think Russel will get you ? Embiid ?

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russell in NJ >> anything wiggins has done.

but then this season happens.

[SpreeChokeJob]

I think Wiggins will be good for the Warriors. Better than Dlo for wolves. Wiggins is capable of playing D which is the most important piece.

The warriors constructed for next year will have three players in the starting rotation playing above average d. That will be huge. If they can get a center that can rebound and play above average defense then this team will be very hard to beat.

Looney is capable but he hasn’t been reliable in the health department.