2020 NBA All Star Weekend Thread | 69th All Star Game

[And1+2]

His "greatness"? Oh my, I was gonna sit this one out but my gard. His "greatness"?

Nothing wrong with being a fan of your guy but ... c'mon, man. This the same dude that was (literally) sh*tting the bed in the playoffs before Kawhi came.

I will now incur the wrath of the entire Rapts fanbase.

Worth it.

I regret nothiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnngggg!!!!

Lowry has had great playoff series ever year since 2016.

He was injured in 2015. He was injured with bursitis on his shooting elbow 2016, which he played through, and he had to have surgery in the off season. Eg. He had an excuse for why he "didn't show up". Imagine if LeBron had bursitis on his shooting elbow and shot low 30s? Everyone would be making excuses for him left and right as to why that season didn't count for him.

2017 through 2019 he's been great in the playoffs. Fantastic, even.

Your opinion on Lowry is the epitome of a casual fan.

I have finally figured it out anyone that doesn't praise Lowry as one of the goats. Which means EVERY FAN outside of most raptor fans are a casual fan.

Yeah, except for guys like Zach Lowe and Tim Legler. You know, those analysists that actually do analysing? What do they know though.

[kg01]

I have finally figured it out anyone that doesn't praise Lowry as one of the goats. Which means EVERY FAN outside of most raptor fans is a casual fan.

Yeah, I'm thinkin' that's how it works.

[Roco14]

Are there really people on here that think Trae in the fourth would've done any positive for team Giannis?

There are bad defensive players in this league (kyrie, lillard, kanter, etc.) and then there are complete pylons like Trae who basically have no shot. The fact that team Giannis (with just 1 superstar) went down to the wire against 4 legit superstars is a testament to how hard Lowry/Kemba/Siakam/Giannis/Embiid were really playing

[kg01]

Are there really people on here that think Trae in the fourth would've done any positive for team Giannis?

There are bad defensive players in this league (kyrie, lillard, kanter, etc.) and then there are complete pylons like Trae who basically have no shot. The fact that team Giannis (with just 1 superstar) went down to the wire against 4 legit superstars is a testament to how hard Lowry/Kemba/Siakam/Giannis/Embiid were really playing

Team Giannis couldn't score late so ....

But I think most are simply saying they needed to sub in ... well, someone. The lineup they had on the floor wasn't working. Clearly.

[Roco14]

Are there really people on here that think Trae in the fourth would've done any positive for team Giannis?

There are bad defensive players in this league (kyrie, lillard, kanter, etc.) and then there are complete pylons like Trae who basically have no shot. The fact that team Giannis (with just 1 superstar) went down to the wire against 4 legit superstars is a testament to how hard Lowry/Kemba/Siakam/Giannis/Embiid were really playing

Team Giannis couldn't score late so ....

But I think most are simply saying they needed to sub in ... well, someone. The lineup they had on the floor wasn't working. Clearly.

What I'm saying is that they would have had no shot if Trae was on the floor. It would be virtually impossible to get a single stop against those guys. On the other hand, they could stop that lineup + trae quite often.

Jimmy maybe should've been in the game for Siakam/Kemba but he didn't look great in his minutes so I can understand why nurse didnt sub him in.

[Threezus]

Are there really people on here that think Trae in the fourth would've done any positive for team Giannis?

There are bad defensive players in this league (kyrie, lillard, kanter, etc.) and then there are complete pylons like Trae who basically have no shot. The fact that team Giannis (with just 1 superstar) went down to the wire against 4 legit superstars is a testament to how hard Lowry/Kemba/Siakam/Giannis/Embiid were really playing

Where as i do think Trae should have gotten some shine in the 4th with a stagnant offense and you trying to race to a certain number already ahead. I don't fully disagree that a guy like Butler or Gobert should have been subbed in as well for some fresh bodies My thinking is this team lebron was already scoring at will at one point and closing the gap fast so if you can't get stops anyways while they are catching you then atleast put in someone that can get you instant offense to try and outrace them to the 157 mark. If they was stopping team lebron at all times from scoring and catching them easily then i wouldn't be calling for trae as much. But the fact was team lebron had no problem scoring with or without trae in there so why settle for no offense if the defense isn't stopping them much as it is.

[D.Brasco]

[kg01]

Are there really people on here that think Trae in the fourth would've done any positive for team Giannis?

There are bad defensive players in this league (kyrie, lillard, kanter, etc.) and then there are complete pylons like Trae who basically have no shot. The fact that team Giannis (with just 1 superstar) went down to the wire against 4 legit superstars is a testament to how hard Lowry/Kemba/Siakam/Giannis/Embiid were really playing

Team Giannis couldn't score late so ....

But I think most are simply saying they needed to sub in ... well, someone. The lineup they had on the floor wasn't working. Clearly.

What I'm saying is that they would have had no shot if Trae was on the floor. It would be virtually impossible to get a single stop against those guys. On the other hand, they could stop that lineup + trae quite often.

Jimmy maybe should've been in the game for Siakam/Kemba but he didn't look great in his minutes so I can understand why nurse didnt sub him in.

First, the fact that we're actually breaking this down kinda shows the new format worked, to a degree. When was the last time anybody really cared this much?

That said, Team Giannis had a lead such that it shouldn't have gotten to a point where they were panicked for stops. It got to that point because they wasted possessions being unable to generate offense.

But, since he did let it get to that point, it was odd neither Butler nor Gobert got a look. Although, you do make a good point about Butler. He looked awful.

[timO]

Very weird all star btw, 4 starters in the west (only 3 players were from the east) play less than reserves.

In the east team 3 starters played less than reserves, Trae only 16 min, why?

Also, which was the duration of last quarter? 8 min? 10?

The last quarter wasn't timed as they were playing to a "target score" like you would in pickup basketball.

I know it... i wanted to know the real time they play, i think it was less than the normal 12 minutes.

And the 7 starters playing less than the reserves is a think i never saw.

[Tomjas]

Lowry gets so much flak from people who don't understand basketball in a nuanced sense.


That's most of you, by the way.

Ok then

We get it you guys luv the guy. He competes hard so u can respect that. Refs allow his ridiculous flopping to influence the game in a negative way which is unfortunate. Luckily when the games matter the refs dont call it as much but then you gotta deal with his constant complaining about not getting calls
Anyways, Lowry is a champion now. And especially last year in the playoffs hes not a deer in the headlights player anymore. You're welcome Kawhi.
My boy Billy Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman and Billups were all similar with trying to draw fouls so I will half admit it's just cause I'm a hater

Saying that, you can't tell me at times hes not a little ridiculous. Watch video

Read on Twitter

?s=20

And even without flopping, he's still a winner. He made a ton of winning plays last night, and was competing harder than anyone. Lowry deserved to be on the floor for every minute he had. The flak he is getting is hilarious. Without him, Team Giannis would have been blown out.

Even in their mid-30s, Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry are the best PGs in the league. They both know how to run a team better than anyone. They both know how to win. They are both ultra competitive. It's too bad both of them are at the end of their careers, because the future doesn't bode well for the point guard position. Just a bunch of shoot first, me first guards waiting to replace them.

News flash

Team Giannis did get blown out in the 4th

[snaquille oatmeal]

Why is Lowry getting so much heat for taking charges. It’s part of what got him there and the 4th quarter was like a Game 7 Finals.

I loved that he was playing D. The first time he did it the refs weren't sure if they should call charges in the all-star game. But they changed their tune after everybody started clearly caring. I was pulling for Lowry to get MVP if they won. Made 3 crucial defensive plays fairly late.

The first one was a no call burger. Lebron made contact with Lowry’s shoulder as he he was trying to euro-step away. The other two were legit hit on the chest by the offensive player. Glad they called them.

[And1+2]

Ok then

We get it you guys luv the guy. He competes hard so u can respect that. Refs allow his ridiculous flopping to influence the game in a negative way which is unfortunate. Luckily when the games matter the refs dont call it as much but then you gotta deal with his constant complaining about not getting calls
Anyways, Lowry is a champion now. And especially last year in the playoffs hes not a deer in the headlights player anymore. You're welcome Kawhi.
My boy Billy Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman and Billups were all similar with trying to draw fouls so I will half admit it's just cause I'm a hater

Saying that, you can't tell me at times hes not a little ridiculous. Watch video

Read on Twitter

?s=20

And even without flopping, he's still a winner. He made a ton of winning plays last night, and was competing harder than anyone. Lowry deserved to be on the floor for every minute he had. The flak he is getting is hilarious. Without him, Team Giannis would have been blown out.

Even in their mid-30s, Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry are the best PGs in the league. They both know how to run a team better than anyone. They both know how to win. They are both ultra competitive. It's too bad both of them are at the end of their careers, because the future doesn't bode well for the point guard position. Just a bunch of shoot first, me first guards waiting to replace them.

News flash

Team Giannis did get blown out in the 4th

This Just in!

It wasn't because of Lowry.

[Clyde Frazier]

Very weird all star btw, 4 starters in the west (only 3 players were from the east) play less than reserves.

In the east team 3 starters played less than reserves, Trae only 16 min, why?

Also, which was the duration of last quarter? 8 min? 10?

The last quarter wasn't timed as they were playing to a "target score" like you would in pickup basketball.

I know it... i wanted to know the real time they play, i think it was less than the normal 12 minutes.

And the 7 starters playing less than the reserves is a think i never saw.

Oh, hmm... not sure exactly. It didn't feel that "short", but there also weren't commercials so it was hard to tell. As for starters playing less, my guess is the coaches were coaching to win as opposed to keeping the starters in longest by default.

[AussieCeltic]

And even without flopping, he's still a winner. He made a ton of winning plays last night, and was competing harder than anyone. Lowry deserved to be on the floor for every minute he had. The flak he is getting is hilarious. Without him, Team Giannis would have been blown out.

Even in their mid-30s, Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry are the best PGs in the league. They both know how to run a team better than anyone. They both know how to win. They are both ultra competitive. It's too bad both of them are at the end of their careers, because the future doesn't bode well for the point guard position. Just a bunch of shoot first, me first guards waiting to replace them.

News flash

Team Giannis did get blown out in the 4th

This Just in!

It wasn't because of Lowry.

He was 0-4 with 3 turnovers. The most crucial was down 1 when he set a really bad screen and got called for an offensive foul. He then gave up the game winning free throws. He drew 2 charges and people are calling him the best PG in the NBA. LAUGHABLE!

[bakafool]

I was expecting the KL flack on Twitter but not here. Some of you are nuts.

[Tomjas]

On a pedant note, the minute played stats for Team LeBron are completely off with the numbers for Simmons, WB, etc being inflated by 12 minutes each

[And1+2]

I was expecting the KL flack on Twitter but not here. Some of you are nuts.

Tons of casuals here too. No forum is safe.

[ratul]

Really fun game to watch. First time in a long time. As exciting as a finals game with so much talent on the floor.

[HangTime]

I would have an adjusted target score, for each freethrow made in the 4th quarter. You don't move any closer, interms of differential, but the other team still loses ground. 

This way, the game has to end on a non-freethrow.

[kg01]

News flash

Team Giannis did get blown out in the 4th

This Just in!

It wasn't because of Lowry.

He was 0-4 with 3 turnovers. The most crucial was down 1 when he set a really bad screen and got called for an offensive foul. He then gave up the game winning free throws. He drew 2 charges and people are calling him the best PG in the NBA. LAUGHABLE!

Ah, you must be a 'casual fan' like me who also doesn't get it. Whatever "it" is.

See all them turnovers and missed shots were everybody else's fault, not Lowry's. Oh and he took a charge so clearly G.O.A.T.P.G.

You and I just aren't up on our shooty-hoops, I guess.