TPE Trade Target Watch

[HabsAndDubs]

I'm starting to think that Iguodala and Miami agreed on that contract extension for 15 million so the Warriors could use their TPE on him and send them one of our second round picks.

What? Iggy makes way more sense on Miami than GS.

[InWestWeTrust]

My expectation is to watch the TPE expire

I'm starting to think that Iguodala and Miami agreed on that contract extension for 15 million so the Warriors could use their TPE on him and send them one of our second round picks.

What? Iggy makes way more sense on Miami than GS.

How? What a baseless comment.

[ChuckDurn]

Saw an interesting idea which made some sense today..... Warriors swap first-rounders with Phoenix, and get Rubio back in the TPE. (He barely fits.)

Rubio can’t shoot, but his passing is extraordinary and his defense is good, so he can take the tougher back-court challenge. He’d work next to either Steph or Klay, or even with both of them playing small-ball.

Phoenix would be looking for their long-term point guard, which they could get with Ball, Cole Anthony, or Haliburton with the Warriors’ pick. Meanwhile, the Warriors would slide down to about the 10th pick and get more of a value pick (e.g. Toppin, Okoro, Killian Hayes, etc.....) or any of the top guys who slipped.

I don’t think I’d do this if the Warriors had one of the top 2 picks, but if they had anything from 3 on, I would definitely consider it.

[azwfan]

Saw an interesting idea which made some sense today..... Warriors swap first-rounders with Phoenix, and get Rubio back in the TPE. (He barely fits.)

Rubio can’t shoot, but his passing is extraordinary and his defense is good, so he can take the tougher back-court challenge. He’d work next to either Steph or Klay, or even with both of them playing small-ball.

Phoenix would be looking for their long-term point guard, which they could get with Ball, Cole Anthony, or Haliburton with the Warriors’ pick. Meanwhile, the Warriors would slide down to about the 10th pick and get more of a value pick (e.g. Toppin, Okoro, Killian Hayes, etc.....) or any of the top guys who slipped.

I don’t think I’d do this if the Warriors had one of the top 2 picks, but if they had anything from 3 on, I would definitely consider it.

Are we getting future picks in addition? Or at least pick swaps? Not super excited about Rubio and 12 or 13 or wherever PHX ends up.

[Coxy]

Saw an interesting idea which made some sense today..... Warriors swap first-rounders with Phoenix, and get Rubio back in the TPE. (He barely fits.)

Rubio can’t shoot, but his passing is extraordinary and his defense is good, so he can take the tougher back-court challenge. He’d work next to either Steph or Klay, or even with both of them playing small-ball.

Phoenix would be looking for their long-term point guard, which they could get with Ball, Cole Anthony, or Haliburton with the Warriors’ pick. Meanwhile, the Warriors would slide down to about the 10th pick and get more of a value pick (e.g. Toppin, Okoro, Killian Hayes, etc.....) or any of the top guys who slipped.

I don’t think I’d do this if the Warriors had one of the top 2 picks, but if they had anything from 3 on, I would definitely consider it.

Are we getting future picks in addition? Or at least pick swaps? Not super excited about Rubio and 12 or 13 or wherever PHX ends up.

Yeah that's a really unsexy deal. We haven't had a REALLY high draft pick since 2002, Mike Dunleavy. Before that, 1995 Joe Smith. Hard to sell a fanbase on that return for it.

[kingcong95]

If there's anyone on the Suns for us to target, it should be Oubre. Our most dire needs include a shutdown wing, a physical center, and bench scoring. I am not comfortable paying that much for a backup PG, especially one who can't shoot, mucks up our spacing, and isn't much of any of the three categories I just mentioned.

It hurts our case here that the Suns owe their next two seconds and would hesitate to give up a future first. So I doubt they do this unless they really fall in love with someone either Ball or Edwards.

And whoever we get, we should do it the latest we expect them to be available, since we have to pay tax on the rookie contract. That's a big part of the downside to having the first or second pick this year.

[gswhoops]

If there's anyone on the Suns for us to target, it should be Oubre. Our most dire needs include a shutdown wing, a physical center, and bench scoring. I am not comfortable paying that much for a backup PG, especially one who can't shoot, mucks up our spacing, and isn't much of any of the three categories I just mentioned.

It hurts our case here that the Suns owe their next two seconds and would hesitate to give up a future first. So I doubt they do this unless they really fall in love with someone either Ball or Edwards.

And whoever we get, we should do it the latest we expect them to be available, since we have to pay tax on the rookie contract. That's a big part of the downside to having the first or second pick this year.

Agree that Oubre would be the guy I’d target, but I wouldn’t offer our 2020 or the Minnesota 2021. Maybe TPE (cap space) + a lotto protected 2021 gets them to bite?

[Bimbo_Coles]

If there's anyone on the Suns for us to target, it should be Oubre. Our most dire needs include a shutdown wing, a physical center, and bench scoring. I am not comfortable paying that much for a backup PG, especially one who can't shoot, mucks up our spacing, and isn't much of any of the three categories I just mentioned.

It hurts our case here that the Suns owe their next two seconds and would hesitate to give up a future first. So I doubt they do this unless they really fall in love with someone either Ball or Edwards.

And whoever we get, we should do it the latest we expect them to be available, since we have to pay tax on the rookie contract. That's a big part of the downside to having the first or second pick this year.

Yes. That is the only player I would take from the Suns in a trade down scenario.

I like the original Snell suggestion as a clean TPE usage.

I'm also somewhat compelled by a few of the reclamation projects on the Knicks. For example, if we are in a position to draft Lamelo ahead of the knicks, perhaps we trade that pick for RJ + Nitiklina, and we get two guys who are still young (19 and 21), but a little more ready to contribute than a Rookie, and who can step into the Iguadala / Livingston roles.

[CaliWG]

No to Rubio. I saw him first hand in Utah for a while and he is such a liability as a shooter he cannot be on the floor in the playoffs.

If the Knicks were willing to give up Barrett the Warriors should be willing to give up the #1 pick in this draft if they get it.

[gswhoops]

I posted a thread on this on the T&T board about a week ago, some of the more interesting names (IMO) that got discussed:

Kyle Anderson
Jonas Valanciunas
Oubre
Tomas Satoransky
Tony Snell
Norm Powell
Dejounte Murray

Would require varying degrees of compensation on top of the TPE but I think Satoransky or Snell could be had for minimal assets

[Chris Porter's Hair]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

I’m just talking core pieces to the trade. It’s not too difficult to find $1M of salary to throw in to make the deal work.

Doesn't work like that. The TPE is 17 million. You cannot add any player or money to a deal.

You can only trade for a player making 17million or less. If you get a guy who is 9 mil, you can do the deal and create a new TPE that is only worth 8 million.

But you can't go for a guy over the 17 million.

This is how it is usually suggested we get Turner:

We get an expiring contract worth 15-17 million and absorb it into TPE.

We bundle that guy up with filler salary to get to 18mil +, then send that + a draft pick (maybe this year's?) to Indiana in exchange for Turner.

For the sake of completeness, pretty sure you can't literally do that either, because when you acquire a guy in a trade you can't bundle him with other players for some period of time. But you can basically do it (I think) by doing two simultaneous trades. Something like:

Warriors trade picks for $17m expensive Jabronie (into the trade exception)

Warriors trade expensive Jabronie for Myles Turner
Warriors trade pick for some cheap Jabronie

And if the salary difference between Turner and expensive Jabronie is too much, Warriors include a cheap guy/filler salary in the second trade that makes it all work.

How'd I do, capologists?

[OptionZero]

They don't need to be "simultaneous" because the 60d restriction on re-trading a player only applies if you want to aggregate him with another player.

If we get someone making $15M or so, that contract can be dealt straight up for turner (with draft compensation) I see no reason why:
1) TPE for James Johnson
2) James Johnson + draft compensation for Turner
Wouldn't be legal.

I've thrown the idea out to a bunch of cap guys and the consensus is that it is technically legal. the only objection would be some sort of "spirit of the rule" problem; but would the NBA really veto that move? It's such a minor thing. And skirting the rule would only require us to do what? Agree with IND and then pretend we didn't for a couple weeks? It's so stupid. It doesn't hurt any other team, seems like everyone gets what they want.

Anyways, thats not why i bumped this

All reports say that BRI is going to be rightly **** by the current situation. Between the China situation and the virus, BRI might be . . .75?% 50%? of expected? That would normally trigger a calamity level drop in the cap and tax lines for 2020-21 - the REVERSE of the 2016 cap spike.

Coon and Hollinger both appeared on Dunc'd on and believed that a cap smoothing agreement was likely; the players don't WANT a drop in cap space, that only **** free agents. Owners don't want a drop either, because that would basically put the entire league in to tax territory. Only 6 teams are below $90M in commitments for next year, everyone else could potentially fall into tax range depending how badly income drops

If the tax line DROPS, our TPE might become super valuable for targets that otherwise would not be available. BOS and PHI have over $140M committed. Previous projections were a $139M tax line . . . if that drops even 10%, they are gonna be in some pain.

Enough pain to want to get rid of . . say . . Josh Richardson? Marcus Smart?

[kingcong95]

Toronto won't be able to keep all of Van Vleet, Gasol, and Ibaka because Pascal's extension will kick in. Let's ask them what'll it take to get Norman Powell. Maybe either 5th overall 2020 or MIN 2021 pick for Norm and both of their picks this year, which would currently be 28 and 58? That would give us 3 late 2nds this year which we don't all need, but can use as ammo to get future picks.

[Onus]

They don't need to be "simultaneous" because the 60d restriction on re-trading a player only applies if you want to aggregate him with another player.

If we get someone making $15M or so, that contract can be dealt straight up for turner (with draft compensation) I see no reason why:
1) TPE for James Johnson
2) James Johnson + draft compensation for Turner
Wouldn't be legal.

I've thrown the idea out to a bunch of cap guys and the consensus is that it is technically legal. the only objection would be some sort of "spirit of the rule" problem; but would the NBA really veto that move? It's such a minor thing. And skirting the rule would only require us to do what? Agree with IND and then pretend we didn't for a couple weeks? It's so stupid. It doesn't hurt any other team, seems like everyone gets what they want.

Anyways, thats not why i bumped this

All reports say that BRI is going to be rightly **** by the current situation. Between the China situation and the virus, BRI might be . . .75?% 50%? of expected? That would normally trigger a calamity level drop in the cap and tax lines for 2020-21 - the REVERSE of the 2016 cap spike.

Coon and Hollinger both appeared on Dunc'd on and believed that a cap smoothing agreement was likely; the players don't WANT a drop in cap space, that only **** free agents. Owners don't want a drop either, because that would basically put the entire league in to tax territory. Only 6 teams are below $90M in commitments for next year, everyone else could potentially fall into tax range depending how badly income drops

If the tax line DROPS, our TPE might become super valuable for targets that otherwise would not be available. BOS and PHI have over $140M committed. Previous projections were a $139M tax line . . . if that drops even 10%, they are gonna be in some pain.

Enough pain to want to get rid of . . say . . Josh Richardson? Marcus Smart?

That’s a great point. If lacob really is going to spend then that tpe could be more valuable.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Toronto won't be able to keep all of Van Vleet, Gasol, and Ibaka because Pascal's extension will kick in. Let's ask them what'll it take to get Norman Powell. Maybe either 5th overall 2020 or MIN 2021 pick for Norm and both of their picks this year, which would currently be 28 and 58? That would give us 3 late 2nds this year which we don't all need, but can use as ammo to get future picks.

Minny 2021/2022 pick better be totally off limits. That pick might be solid gold.

[azwfan]

They don't need to be "simultaneous" because the 60d restriction on re-trading a player only applies if you want to aggregate him with another player.

If we get someone making $15M or so, that contract can be dealt straight up for turner (with draft compensation) I see no reason why:
1) TPE for James Johnson
2) James Johnson + draft compensation for Turner
Wouldn't be legal.

I've thrown the idea out to a bunch of cap guys and the consensus is that it is technically legal. the only objection would be some sort of "spirit of the rule" problem; but would the NBA really veto that move? It's such a minor thing. And skirting the rule would only require us to do what? Agree with IND and then pretend we didn't for a couple weeks? It's so stupid. It doesn't hurt any other team, seems like everyone gets what they want.

Anyways, thats not why i bumped this

All reports say that BRI is going to be rightly **** by the current situation. Between the China situation and the virus, BRI might be . . .75?% 50%? of expected? That would normally trigger a calamity level drop in the cap and tax lines for 2020-21 - the REVERSE of the 2016 cap spike.

Coon and Hollinger both appeared on Dunc'd on and believed that a cap smoothing agreement was likely; the players don't WANT a drop in cap space, that only **** free agents. Owners don't want a drop either, because that would basically put the entire league in to tax territory. Only 6 teams are below $90M in commitments for next year, everyone else could potentially fall into tax range depending how badly income drops

If the tax line DROPS, our TPE might become super valuable for targets that otherwise would not be available. BOS and PHI have over $140M committed. Previous projections were a $139M tax line . . . if that drops even 10%, they are gonna be in some pain.

Enough pain to want to get rid of . . say . . Josh Richardson? Marcus Smart?

That’s a great point. If lacob really is going to spend then that tpe could be more valuable.

Marcus Smart would be nice as our 3rd guard. Unfortunately, I can't see Boston looking to move him. Likewise with JoRich. Both Philly and Boston are looking to do the same thing we are (compete for a championship), so I think its more likely they would "trim around the edges" rather than give up a top rotation player to save money.

However, Houston and Orlando are teams that I think may be looking to drop significant salary:
Orlando (if Fournier opts in). I could see one of Ross, Fournier, or Aminu being available. I don't really want Aminu, but the other 2 could be nice players for our depleted (non-existent) bench.

Houston (if there's a FO change). Covington or Eric Gordon. I don't think they would just straight salary dump them, but if there's a front office change (and direction change) Eric Gordon's $16, 18, 19, 20m salary over the next 4 years is going to look awfully bad. Unfortunately his age and shooting numbers this season also don't look so hot to me either. I'd want Covington though. Not sure what incentive I would give (besides the salary savings), but I wouldn't give up our 2020 1st unless we traded down for future picks with another club 1st, and then sent that pick away for Covington. The Rockets traded away their 2020 1st and Capella for Covington and a 2024 2nd (which was originally our 2nd ).

[OptionZero]

Houston having to trade us Covington because Fertitta is too cheap to pay the tax is my FAVORITE OUTCOME

I am rooting 100% for this

i would laugh for weeks if this happened

[floppymoose]

devil's advocate: why would owners not want everyone in the tax? Don't the tax dollars go back to the teams? Wouldn't it just be a giant revenue sharing situation? That might not be a bad idea for one season.

[xdrta+]

devil's advocate: why would owners not want everyone in the tax? Don't the tax dollars go back to the teams? Wouldn't it just be a giant revenue sharing situation? That might not be a bad idea for one season.

Not necessarily. Rules are:

Up to 50% of the tax money may be given to non-taxpaying teams. Note that there is no requirement that any of the tax money be distributed to teams in this manner.

Any tax money not distributed to teams will be used for "league purposes." In other words, at least 50% of the tax revenue will be used for league purposes each season. "League purposes" essentially means for any purpose the league decides. Currently, they do share, 50% goes to revenue sharing, 50% to non-taxpaying teams. In times of stress (like now) that could change, of course.

[kingcong95]

Houston having to trade us Covington because Fertitta is too cheap to pay the tax is my FAVORITE OUTCOME

I am rooting 100% for this

i would laugh for weeks if this happened

I'd offer them #5 overall for RoCo and Fertitta could say no because he'd rather not pay the 7M rookie scale contract.