2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[ATTL]

Walking out of the draft with haliburton and maybe we can buy our way in to late 1st or early 2nd for another player that drops would be ideal to me.

Getting a good defensive point guard that can shoot is ideal on this team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Walking out of the draft with haliburton and maybe we can buy our way in to late 1st or early 2nd for another player that drops would be ideal to me.

Getting a good defensive point guard that can shoot is ideal on this team.

That definitely would be nice and much needed for sure man. Of the point guards in this draft that can defend well, but still shoot reliably well, I have found that among the best are:

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=joel-ayayi--devon-dotson--ashton-hagans--tre-jones--jahmi-us-ramsey

1 - Joel Ayayi-
A strong 6'5 athletic combo guard***( Haliburton is rated higher for his elite passing skills and 3 pt shooting/ playmaking, But I'd still have to take Ayayi before him, for his equal size and greater overall strength and athleticism, bolstering his defensive abilities. And unfortunately for Haliburton, His lack of weight, strength, And athleticism is going to limit his defensive abilities.

Ayayis' defense-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.slipperstillfits.com/platform/amp/2019/11/24/20980321/gonzaga-bulldogs-joel-ayayi

http://www.tankathon.com/players/joel-ayayi
At 6'5 he's a strong defensive guard with a really solid 3 pt shot and good at getting to the rim. He's in the Smart/ Mudiay mold.

2- Tyreese Haliburton-
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton
At 6'5 with ELITE passing/ playmaking skills and very solid 3 pt shooting, And good defense , He is the perfect lead guard for nearly any team. *** But he has to add strength and get stronger if he's going to have a big impact at the next level.

3- Jahmius Rsmsey-
http://www.tankathon.com/players/jahmi-us-ramsey
A 6'4 strong defender and solid 3 point shooter. *** Must improve his free throw percentage. Think Marcus Smart and Lugen Dortz perhaps? But with better 3 point shooting. Also strong driving to the rim. Tenacious defender.

4- Ashton Hagans-
http://www.tankathon.com/players/ashton-hagans
A 6'3 ballhawk and elite defender with blow by speed. Reminds of Pat Beverly with his relentless attacking defense. *** But must improve his 3 point shooting.

5- Tre Jones-
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tre-jones
A top level cerebral general and really solid defender. Makes great decisions with the ball. *** But must improve his overall shooting.


6- Devin Dotson-
http://www.tankathon.com/players/devon-dotson
A 6'2 guard that could easily be the *** Top defensive guard despite his size, BUT.........His shooting is just really poor and must be drastically improved to be rated higher honestly. But he's very fast, Crafty around the hoop, and a ball hawk on defense.

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http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=joel-ayayi--tyrese-haliburton--killian-hayes--theo-maledon

Killian Hayes -
http://www.tankathon.com/players/killian-hayes
A 6'5 very gifted scorer and developing lead guard with Elite scoring/ passing skills. Does project as a solid pick and roll defender. Think like a mix of Stephon Marbury and a better passing Dante exum.

Theo Maledon-
http://www.tankathon.com/players/theo-maledon

A 6'5 electric guard with exceptional athleticism. Is an elite downhill scorer and strong pesky defender. Shai Gilgeous Alexander 2.0

[jcsunsfan]

Walking out of the draft with haliburton and maybe we can buy our way in to late 1st or early 2nd for another player that drops would be ideal to me.

Getting a good defensive point guard that can shoot is ideal on this team.

I find myself thinking this too, but then I have to remember that this team cannot really use two rookies, even if good ones. We just have too much youth already.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Walking out of the draft with haliburton and maybe we can buy our way in to late 1st or early 2nd for another player that drops would be ideal to me.

Getting a good defensive point guard that can shoot is ideal on this team.

I find myself thinking this too, but then I have to remember that this team cannot really use two rookies, even if good ones. We just have too much youth already.

Luckily, That's why we have the G league though. They can do a 1 year exhibition contract/ or a two way ( 2 year) contract. Let them develop there, and then make them available as needed for bench depth or injury depth.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Anyways, Another great sharpshooting option from the 2020 draft to consider for our bench would be:
Davide Moretti-
He's been shooting around 50% Fg/ 40% 3 point shots/ 90% on free throws. So he's basically a 50/40/ 90 guy. Which would be a pretty solid get for us off the bench considering our shooting/ scoring woes.

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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/davide-moretti-1.html

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

It's important to remember that great college/international players tend to look a lot worse when they an NBA floor. You can go back through NBA history and find lots of 5 PPG players who absolutely killed it in college. Plenty of guys look like Jesus Shuttlesworth from outside in college only to find that that same hoop looks a lot smaller when you're surrounded by NBA speed and athleticism. But of course every draft there's that player who puts up pretty mediocre stats in college only to really blossom in the NBA game. The draft remains a crap shoot despite all the film and analytics in the world being applied.

Bottom line: Most of these guys aren't going to make it in the NBA. Even my guy Paul Reed could turn out to be Perry Jones III or Anthony Randolph when he steps onto the big stage. If you want to nail a draft pick, find those few players you think really stand out from the pack. Don't build a whole list of guys who you'd be happy with, because all you're really doing is cataloging scrubs and revealing that you have no idea who to pick.

[bwgood77]

I'll be pretty happy if either Halliburton or Toppin are there for our pick. If both are, I'm not sure who I'd go with right now. It might depend on how Ty Jerome plays down the stretch. Ty Jerome may be better defensively than people think. He holds is own pretty well on D. I know some people may not think he's quick enough, and it will be tough for anyone to guard guys like Morant, Westbrook and Fox if they are going full speed but that's rare. I think it probably just took him some time to get used to the speed of the NBA. Anyway, if you compare Halliburton, who is a solid defender, to Jerome, at least coming out, Halliburton does beat him across the board on offense in every category, but on defense, Jerome is slightly ahead. http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyrese-haliburton--ty-jerome

I'd still like to take Halliburton but do like Toppin, so that would be tough if both are there. If both are gone, I'm not sure where I'd go. Maybe Reed or trade down if it can net another pick since Reed may be there later.

As for having two rookies, I don't really mind it, though it would be better if we were not wasting a roster spot on Lecque. I doubt had he played one year in college if he'd really be ready to come out.

In the G league he has 13 ppg, 23% from 3, 59% from the line, 3, and 3, in over 25 mpg. I know people like him because of his dunks, but I'd rather Halliburton and Toppin than him taking a roster spot (as well as a lot of other people in this draft).

[Ghost of Kleine]

I'll be pretty happy if either Halliburton or Toppin are there for our pick. If both are, I'm not sure who I'd go with right now. It might depend on how Ty Jerome plays down the stretch. Ty Jerome may be better defensively than people think. He holds is own pretty well on D. I know some people may not think he's quick enough, and it will be tough for anyone to guard guys like Morant, Westbrook and Fox if they are going full speed but that's rare. I think it probably just took him some time to get used to the speed of the NBA. Anyway, if you compare Halliburton, who is a solid defender, to Jerome, at least coming out, Halliburton does beat him across the board on offense in every category, but on defense, Jerome is slightly ahead. http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyrese-haliburton--ty-jerome

I'd still like to take Halliburton but do like Toppin, so that would be tough if both are there. If both are gone, I'm not sure where I'd go. Maybe Reed or trade down if it can net another pick since Reed may be there later.

As for having two rookies, I don't really mind it, though it would be better if we were not wasting a roster spot on Lecque. I doubt had he played one year in college if he'd really be ready to come out.

In the G league he has 13 ppg, 23% from 3, 59% from the line, 3, and 3, in over 25 mpg. I know people like him because of his dunks, but I'd rather Halliburton and Toppin than him taking a roster spot (as well as a lot of other people in this draft).

Agree on all points man! Also with Lecque I'm still really intrigued by his athleticism, But wouldn't lose sleep if we were able to somehow flip him to a team that covets his sort of athleticism for a more ready to contribute minor ( asset)player. But not sure which team that would be??? Maybe a really bad lottery team devoid of any real talent and athleticism?

Maybe............... Knicks or Detroit?
Lastly, Yes, It would be tough choice, But my preference would have to be Toppin. I say this because of the constant aggression and moxy that he plays with. His efficiency too. But my hope would be that the rest of our team would feed off his aggressive play and thusly play toughrr and with more aggression themselves. Especially Ayton. Also I think that there's still more quality backup guards available later in the draft as well as free agency than there are quality available power forwards. I just feel that Toppin would bring the level of intensity and aggression that's been missing for awhile since Amare was here, back our frontcourt.

And as much as I like Haliburtons' elite playmaking potential and shooting, I have concerns over his thin frame and lack of strength and athleticism at the next level.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Really good reads......

Like Bgood already mentioned, There's a lot of really solid in depth information yo be found here. And through " The Stepian" too. Check out some of your favorite prospects.

[Kerrsed]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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Very cool! Thanks man!

[DirtyDez]

Nico is living off HS hype at this point where he was a projected lottery pick. I think it’s a mix between a terrible draft and nobody watching the P12 that still has him in there. As limited as he looks athletically it would be wise to go anyway because you can always go back and play yourself out of the first rd. Also James Akinjo get the majority PG minutes next year.

[bwgood77]

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[oddity]

Call me cliche but I still think Cole Anthony is the PG in this draft. He's so lightning quick and fluid he makes everyone else on the floor look like they're playing in a pool.
Cole has a solid foundation of offensive skills too. A little finishing w strength/finesse, a little pullup jumper, catch and shoot and dribble and shoot 3s, eurosteps going to the basket... that's really good considering he can break guys down off the dribble really well.
For us I would love to have a lightning quick point guard that can get penetration at will; that's something this whole team struggles with. RJ Hampton might be a candidate to fill this role too with his legit speed/size and rapidly improving handle. Particularly, RJ seems to have a knack for manipulating space on offense, even though he has to improve a lot more to be at elite PG level. I think people are sleeping on RJ but he can be a really high impact player offensively, and even defensively too if he gets more consistent.
Haliburton seems like the real deal to me if his funky looking jumpshot can fall in the nba like it has in college. I would not be upset landing him.
Truth be told I haven't seen much of Killian Hayes at all - is he actually 6'7?! He's listed as a point guard but... 6'7 point guards are really rare. Could be a really intriguing prospect.
Nico Mannion has me confused. He seems like the best shooter out of the point guards here but he still can struggle making things happen offensively sometimes. He actually has okay size, but I doubt he will ever be a real stopper defensively. He has fantastic leadership roles and court vision though, and his fit with the Suns seems really really nice.
Guys everyone is hating on this draft class but it is STACKED at the point guard spot and that's perfect for us. I barely touched on other guys that I don't like quite as much but can still turn into solid players: Tyrese Maxey, Tre Jones, Theo Maledon

[bwgood77]

I think I mentioned before, but when I was discussing draft prospects for the Suns with Spencer (Ghost posted tweet above), he thought Cole Anthony was a good fit for the Suns. He had mentioned he is in a terrible situation with a couple of bigs in the middle who clog the paint and no floor spacers which makes things tough for him at NC.

I mentioned I was pretty concerned with his ast/to ratio and TS%/3pt%, looking at shot chart, but that was his response, that circumstance and defenses focusing on only stopping him. I mentioned I'd be surprised if the Suns took him knowing they want someone who is ready to play, usually seemingly focusing on guys with more than 1 year of college experience (of course it's a small sample size) but also based on what James Jones has said.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Call me cliche but I still think Cole Anthony is the PG in this draft. He's so lightning quick and fluid he makes everyone else on the floor look like they're playing in a pool.
Cole has a solid foundation of offensive skills too. A little finishing w strength/finesse, a little pullup jumper, catch and shoot and dribble and shoot 3s, eurosteps going to the basket... that's really good considering he can break guys down off the dribble really well.
For us I would love to have a lightning quick point guard that can get penetration at will; that's something this whole team struggles with. RJ Hampton might be a candidate to fill this role too with his legit speed/size and rapidly improving handle. Particularly, RJ seems to have a knack for manipulating space on offense, even though he has to improve a lot more to be at elite PG level. I think people are sleeping on RJ but he can be a really high impact player offensively, and even defensively too if he gets more consistent.
Haliburton seems like the real deal to me if his funky looking jumpshot can fall in the nba like it has in college. I would not be upset landing him.
Truth be told I haven't seen much of Killian Hayes at all - is he actually 6'7?! He's listed as a point guard but... 6'7 point guards are really rare. Could be a really intriguing prospect.
Nico Mannion has me confused. He seems like the best shooter out of the point guards here but he still can struggle making things happen offensively sometimes. He actually has okay size, but I doubt he will ever be a real stopper defensively. He has fantastic leadership roles and court vision though, and his fit with the Suns seems really really nice.
Guys everyone is hating on this draft class but it is STACKED at the point guard spot and that's perfect for us. I barely touched on other guys that I don't like quite as much but can still turn into solid players: Tyrese Maxey, Tre Jones, Theo Maledon

I really appreciate the discordant take. Forced me to take another look at Cole Anthony.

Admittedly, I still haven't seen nearly as much of Anthony as almost every other prospect, but I just really don't like what I've seen. He doesn't look like a game changer to me. He looks like he's just trying to draw contact whenever he drives to the basket. He gets around guys, but I don't see elite burst. Like Mannion, I wouldn't draft him based on his one year of college play.

I'll keep watching.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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I've been thinking that his assist numbers weren't that impressive given his extremely high usage rate, but watching these highlights makes me wonder if they're understated due to his teammates bricking so many shots.

He really would work well playing Amare's role as small-ball center, wouldn't he? I don't think he'd do as well as Amare protecting the paint or getting rebounds, even considering that Amare wasn't great at those things. The passing also makes me worry a little less about his fit next to Ayton.

[RedIndian]

My concern with Toppin is his defense and age. Looks like he'll be a solid offensive player in the NBA, but don't see a very high ceiling due to his age.

Reed seems to have a much higher ceiling, but obviously greater bust potential as well.

I find Deni Avdija really intriguing as well. Definitely get a Gallo or a poor man's Doncic vibe from him.

[jcsunsfan]

Haliburton seems like a Malcolm Brogdon part 2

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'm just going to say it again! Devin Vassell has the potential to really be something special. His efficiency and percentages are super solid. And He's really a complete 3 and D scorer and has plus athleticism too. He's my Devin Booker 2.0 pick ( with defense). We really need to trade for or purchase another first for him to be our bench scorer/ potential 6th man.

Also, Another solid potential backup point guard option for us.

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This draft is littered with unknown, unhyped and undiscovered gems really that would benefitbour roster needs and issues.