Summer Trades...never too early

[pepe1991]

Losing Vučević and Evan to get Hield is pointless.

He dominates offense with 17 shots a game ( more than any Magic player) and usage rate ( 27%).
Yet he is just average in efficiency this year (56% TS).

As for age, Hield is whooping 20 days younger than Evan, so you don't really get any younger. It's objective to expect that team would be indeed- worst.
Not to mention going from team with 2 good ballhandlers in Fox and Bogdanovic, to team with no spacing and almost no ballhandling would also hurt his game a lot, as he plays like T Ross, comes off screens and uses multiple screens to get open. 10 out of 17 shots he takes are 3s.


As for Beal, i don't know what package for him would be so it's hard to speculate.
Once again, getting Beal to move Vučević would be also- pointless. Another 27 years old player without any support in sight.

[cedric76]

Losing Vučević and Evan to get Hield is pointless.

He dominates offense with 17 shots a game ( more than any Magic player) and usage rate ( 27%).
Yet he is just average in efficiency this year (56% TS).

As for age, Hield is whooping 20 days younger than Evan, so you don't really get any younger. It's objective to expect that team would be indeed- worst.
Not to mention going from team with 2 good ballhandlers in Fox and Bogdanovic, to team with no spacing and almost no ballhandling would also hurt his game a lot, as he plays like T Ross, comes off screens and uses multiple screens to get open. 10 out of 17 shots he takes are 3s.


As for Beal, i don't know what package for him would be so it's hard to speculate.
Once again, getting Beal to move Vučević would be also- pointless. Another 27 years old player without any support in sight.

Spot on

[yoyojw17]

Nba2k syndrome

Lol, are you suggesting swapping Fournier out for Beal wouldn't improve us?

A backcourt of Fultz and Beal would be amazing! Not a fan of giving up AG for just anything.... but Fournier and AG for Beal + a pack of cookies would make my summer!

[MoMM]

People want Evan gone and wish we had hield or Beal instead

Guess who r on the worst defensive SG list?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2876876-exposing-nbas-worst-defender-at-every-position

Defense is not why Evan needs to go. (Lack of) Talent is not why Evan needs to go either ...

Dishonorable Mentions: Collin Sexton (3.3), Frank Jackson (3.7), D'Angelo Russell (3.7), Derrick Rose (7.7), Damian Lillard (8.7)
Dishonorable Mentions: Eric Gordon (3.7), Anfernee Simons (3.7), JJ Redick (4.0), Buddy Hield (8.3), Nickeil Alexander-Walker (10.0)
Dishonorable Mentions: Kevin Knox (6.7), Glenn Robinson III (7.3), Miles Bridges (8.7), James Ennis III (9.0), Andrew Wiggins (9.0)
Dishonorable Mentions: Eric Paschall (2.3), Danilo Gallinari (7.3), Kyle Kuzma (7.3), Davis Bertans (7.7), Kevin Love (7.7)
Dishonorable Mentions: Damian Jones (5.3), Cody Zeller (5.3), Karl-Anthony Towns (6.0), Frank Kaminsky (6.7), Moritz Wagner (6.7)

BTW, out of the 5 "starters", Wizards made the list 3 times (Beal, Rui and Thomas)

[MagicFan101]

People want Evan gone and wish we had hield or Beal instead

Guess who r on the worst defensive SG list?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2876876-exposing-nbas-worst-defender-at-every-position

Defense is not why Evan needs to go. (Lack of) Talent is not why Evan needs to go either ...

Dishonorable Mentions: Collin Sexton (3.3), Frank Jackson (3.7), D'Angelo Russell (3.7), Derrick Rose (7.7), Damian Lillard (8.7)
Dishonorable Mentions: Eric Gordon (3.7), Anfernee Simons (3.7), JJ Redick (4.0), Buddy Hield (8.3), Nickeil Alexander-Walker (10.0)
Dishonorable Mentions: Kevin Knox (6.7), Glenn Robinson III (7.3), Miles Bridges (8.7), James Ennis III (9.0), Andrew Wiggins (9.0)
Dishonorable Mentions: Eric Paschall (2.3), Danilo Gallinari (7.3), Kyle Kuzma (7.3), Davis Bertans (7.7), Kevin Love (7.7)
Dishonorable Mentions: Damian Jones (5.3), Cody Zeller (5.3), Karl-Anthony Towns (6.0), Frank Kaminsky (6.7), Moritz Wagner (6.7)

BTW, out of the 5 "starters", Wizards made the list 3 times (Beal, Rui and Thomas)

Cool, irrelevant, story Hansel ...

[basketballRob]

CJ McCollum might be cheaper than Beal and near as good.

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[cedric76]

Don't want cj here. Undersized and overrated

No Thx

[MoMM]

Don't want cj here. Undersized and overrated

No Thx

Even if it is for Aaron + Bamba (or another filler)?

[scottyg]

Bulls offer you -
-Thad Young
- Coby White

For
- Aaron Gordon

Or

- Otto Porter jr.
- Thad Young
- Daniel Gafford


For
Nikola Vucevic
- - Aaron Gordon

Thoughts ? Different players and drafts could be moved around too!

[zaymon]

Bulls offer you -
-Thad Young
- Coby White

For
- Aaron Gordon

Or

- Otto Porter jr.
- Thad Young
- Daniel Gafford


For
Nikola Vucevic
- - Aaron Gordon

Thoughts ? Different players and drafts could be moved around too!

We want increase in talent not decrease. Picks interest us, but only high lottery and propably.not this year. Porter only interesting player but his contract is a killer.

[cedric76]

Bulls offer you -
-Thad Young
- Coby White

For
- Aaron Gordon

Or

- Otto Porter jr.
- Thad Young
- Daniel Gafford


For
Nikola Vucevic
- - Aaron Gordon

Thoughts ? Different players and drafts could be moved around too!

Gordon +aminu for porter and we have a deal

[cedric76]

Don't want cj here. Undersized and overrated

No Thx

Even if it is for Aaron + Bamba (or another filler)?

Yeah but portland wouldn't do that. If they did i d use cj aa a trading chip and move him somewhere else

[pepe1991]

Since this draft created no buzz there is good chance that you can climb your way into top 3-5 picks with trades.
If that's a case i would offer Bamba to get there.
Hornets want a Bamba and Magic 2020 pick for their draft -do it.
Cole Anthony, Deni Avidija, Anthony Edwards, Wiseman , i don't really care who.

Literally only matchups that fit Bamba are : slowfooted, out of shape centers that don't shoot on teams without point guards. And he only plays against backups and looks this bad.

[cedric76]

Since this draft created no buzz there is good chance that you can climb your way into top 3-5 picks with trades.
If that's a case i would offer Bamba to get there.
Hornets want a Bamba and Magic 2020 pick for their draft -do it.
Cole Anthony, Deni Avidija, Anthony Edwards, Wiseman , i don't really care who.

Literally only matchups that fit Bamba are : slowfooted, out of shape centers that don't shoot on teams without point guards. And he only plays against backups and looks this bad.

Too early to give up on Bamba

[pepe1991]

Since this draft created no buzz there is good chance that you can climb your way into top 3-5 picks with trades.
If that's a case i would offer Bamba to get there.
Hornets want a Bamba and Magic 2020 pick for their draft -do it.
Cole Anthony, Deni Avidija, Anthony Edwards, Wiseman , i don't really care who.

Literally only matchups that fit Bamba are : slowfooted, out of shape centers that don't shoot on teams without point guards. And he only plays against backups and looks this bad.

Too early to give up on Bamba

If he comes next year and sucks again, his value is basically zero. $6 M a year for marginal rotation player at age of 22-23.
Players of that age already are shoved around for nothing nowdays ( Chriss, Maker, Bender, Skal, Jackson...)

Picking up his 4th year option gets expensive. $7,5M for 4th year.

[GelbeWand09]

Since this draft created no buzz there is good chance that you can climb your way into top 3-5 picks with trades.
If that's a case i would offer Bamba to get there.
Hornets want a Bamba and Magic 2020 pick for their draft -do it.
Cole Anthony, Deni Avidija, Anthony Edwards, Wiseman , i don't really care who.

Literally only matchups that fit Bamba are : slowfooted, out of shape centers that don't shoot on teams without point guards. And he only plays against backups and looks this bad.

Too early to give up on Bamba

If he comes next year and sucks again, his value is basically zero. $6 M a year for marginal rotation player at age of 22-23.
Players of that age already are shoved around for nothing nowdays ( Chriss, Maker, Bender, Skal, Jackson...)

Picking up his 4th year option gets expensive. $7,5M for 4th year.

I mean he made progress from last season. He became a decent backup c on low minutes. Last year he was top 5 worst player in the leaque. But i still have many doubts about his body & mindset.
The worst thing about the pick for me is still, that the 5 years before that draft showed, that you can draft that kind of player late in the lottery or even 2nd round. Even if he becomes a really good defensive starting C, he was picked too high & even more on a team with Vuc & Isaac.

[pepe1991]

Too early to give up on Bamba

If he comes next year and sucks again, his value is basically zero. $6 M a year for marginal rotation player at age of 22-23.
Players of that age already are shoved around for nothing nowdays ( Chriss, Maker, Bender, Skal, Jackson...)

Picking up his 4th year option gets expensive. $7,5M for 4th year.

I mean he made progress from last season. He became a decent backup c on low minutes. Last year he was top 5 worst player in the leaque. But i still have many doubts about his body & mindset.
The worst thing about the pick for me is still, that the 5 years before that draft showed, that you can draft that kind of player late in the lottery or even 2nd round. Even if he becomes a really good defensive starting C, he was picked too high & even more on a team with Vuc & Isaac.

Mitchell Robinson was drafted 36th, is only month older, averages 9 ppg, 7 rpg and 1,8 bpg on 71,9% TS.

Is payed $1,5M a year with next year $0 guaranteed
And because he is second round pick, his salary can't even scale over $9 M a year in next contract i think

I would never draft center in lottery in modern basketball.

[GelbeWand09]

If he comes next year and sucks again, his value is basically zero. $6 M a year for marginal rotation player at age of 22-23.
Players of that age already are shoved around for nothing nowdays ( Chriss, Maker, Bender, Skal, Jackson...)

Picking up his 4th year option gets expensive. $7,5M for 4th year.

I mean he made progress from last season. He became a decent backup c on low minutes. Last year he was top 5 worst player in the leaque. But i still have many doubts about his body & mindset.
The worst thing about the pick for me is still, that the 5 years before that draft showed, that you can draft that kind of player late in the lottery or even 2nd round. Even if he becomes a really good defensive starting C, he was picked too high & even more on a team with Vuc & Isaac.

Mitchell Robinson was drafted 36th, is only month older, averages 9 ppg, 7 rpg and 1,8 bpg on 71,9% TS.

Is payed $1,5M a year with next year $0 guaranteed
And because he is second round pick, his salary can't even scale over $9 M a year in next contract i think

I would never draft center in lottery in modern basketball.

Yea only exception is a 2 way Center like Embiid but even he isnt really eff. on offense & negated to a defender in the PO so far. + the typical health problems of many bigs.

[p0peye]

Since this draft created no buzz there is good chance that you can climb your way into top 3-5 picks with trades.
If that's a case i would offer Bamba to get there.
Hornets want a Bamba and Magic 2020 pick for their draft -do it.
Cole Anthony, Deni Avidija, Anthony Edwards, Wiseman , i don't really care who.

Literally only matchups that fit Bamba are : slowfooted, out of shape centers that don't shoot on teams without point guards. And he only plays against backups and looks this bad.

I wouldn't invest Bamba in this years draft. It is likely that 5 years down the road best player from this draft could be someone drafted in teens or even later. For example Aleksej Pokuševski (who apparently plays in Olympiacos B squad and whom I have no idea about even though he is from Serbia) is a nice investment for low pick: international prospect, lightly scouted, hard to judge stats as he plays in Greek 2nd level league. That was niche where Giannis, Gobert and sort of Porzingis (in 2014 before pulling out of draft) used to live in.

[pepe1991]

Since this draft created no buzz there is good chance that you can climb your way into top 3-5 picks with trades.
If that's a case i would offer Bamba to get there.
Hornets want a Bamba and Magic 2020 pick for their draft -do it.
Cole Anthony, Deni Avidija, Anthony Edwards, Wiseman , i don't really care who.

Literally only matchups that fit Bamba are : slowfooted, out of shape centers that don't shoot on teams without point guards. And he only plays against backups and looks this bad.

I wouldn't invest Bamba in this years draft. It is likely that 5 years down the road best player from this draft could be someone drafted in teens or even later. For example Aleksej Pokuševski (who apparently plays in Olympiacos B squad and whom I have no idea about even though he is from Serbia) is a nice investment for low pick: international prospect, lightly scouted, hard to judge stats as he plays in Greek 2nd level league. That was niche where Giannis, Gobert and sort of Porzingis (in 2014 before pulling out of draft) used to live in.

This draft kind a blows , but Bamba also kind a blows and it's hard to se scenario where he is anything more than career role player , starter on specific team.
I kind a want Avdija from a draft, still not 100% sold on him, but even looking at his nationality is intriguing to me. Father is former ex Yugoslavia national team member who played in era where they dominated basketball. Some super odd mix of "blood" in that kid.
Father is born in Serbia, but is muslim from Pristina, yet his mother is jewish from Israel and she is former pro athlete herself ( i think sprinter or olympic jumper, not 100% sure ).

That kid is walking multicultural relict

As a player, he ain't Doncic, that's a given, but i like his passion and ability to play multiple positions .

I don't like Lonzo at all, but i think Melo is way more talented ( and better athlete ) so that's another low- key guy that i would not mind getting.