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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#261 » by HeadtopChunes » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:52 am

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Would not mind, and with the pick being the end of the draft, would not mind getting a few prospects.
Would also like to understand if we are trying to fill a position (someone who is more ready to play)? Or are we looking for someone with higher upside?

Last year was a high upside pick, and we picked up a few undrafted (eg. Brissett), I wonder how we are using our two-way contracts as well if we are getting more players.

I don't think we will try to fill a position, and you never should. I think high upside pick is good because we can let him develop then decide with what to do later. That's the success we have with Pascal. What's even great is that we are winning so we have no pressure for the new pick to contribute right now


I think it depends, for example, drafting Delon Wright was not a bad move. Meanwhile, we have a few players on their last year of contract, and maybe good to have some insurance.


Also in the context of chasing max players in 21 having rotation players on rookie scale is extremely valuable in terms of cap space
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#262 » by nabbs » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:05 pm

I think we’ll go go for talent in the first round and address a need with a specialist in the first round. We basically need 3/4 insurance and preferably some offensive production at that spot. We also need to start developing bigs to replace Serge and Marc.

I haven’t followed this draft at all so I’m not sure what the landscape of A 5 man looks like.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#263 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:16 pm

Siakam was projected to be an Amir Johnson/Tristan Thompson-type. The Raptors tend to draft mature players, because in that range those are the players that have the best chance of making it. I think only Jokic and Fournier have amounted to anything as teenagers entering the league past #20 in the past decade or so, and they were already professionals.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#264 » by dagger » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:02 pm

I suspect that if the team has a deep playoff run and wants to bring back Serge and/or Mark, plus Fred and Chris Boucher, we might use our pick to unload guaranteed salary (like McCaw and Stanley Johnson). The Raptors would be in the tax if the team brings everyone back, even if Marc is open to a much smaller salary.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#265 » by Ell Curry » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:01 am

Ayo Dosunmu just had a terrible injury scare but his first step is fantastic. Could see him being our first rounder if they think Lowry and VanVleet can team him how to play.

Tillman on Michigan State has no offensive game really, but he's a great switching defender, seems like a lock for a 2nd round pick since you can play him as a 5 and he can anchor a 2nd unit defense that switches a ton.
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Post#266 » by DreamTeam09 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:14 am

I want a 6'8 SF scorer please. That's what we are missing
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#267 » by super_balls » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:50 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:I want a 6'8 SF scorer please. That's what we are missing


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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#268 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:48 pm

dagger wrote:I suspect that if the team has a deep playoff run and wants to bring back Serge and/or Mark, plus Fred and Chris Boucher, we might use our pick to unload guaranteed salary (like McCaw and Stanley Johnson). The Raptors would be in the tax if the team brings everyone back, even if Marc is open to a much smaller salary.


I doubt it. That's not a lot of money to commit a 1st round pick to. Plus the decision on the pick would come ahead of those free agent signings. Also, do you really think ownership is going to whine about the tax the year before Masai's deal wraps up?
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Post#269 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:54 pm

Ell Curry wrote:Ayo Dosunmu just had a terrible injury scare but his first step is fantastic. Could see him being our first rounder if they think Lowry and VanVleet can team him how to play.

Tillman on Michigan State has no offensive game really, but he's a great switching defender, seems like a lock for a 2nd round pick since you can play him as a 5 and he can anchor a 2nd unit defense that switches a ton.


He's pretty unproductive. I don't see him being someone that the scouts would target, but they did like Malachai Richardson, so maybe I'm wrong. Devon Dotson is the closest thing to a VanVleet/Lowry-type player as there's been in recent years. He's pretty close to the kind of player that Lowry was at Villanova.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#270 » by NotMyKawhi » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:41 pm

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dagger wrote:I suspect that if the team has a deep playoff run and wants to bring back Serge and/or Mark, plus Fred and Chris Boucher, we might use our pick to unload guaranteed salary (like McCaw and Stanley Johnson). The Raptors would be in the tax if the team brings everyone back, even if Marc is open to a much smaller salary.


Trading a 1st to unload only a 4 millon salary would never happen.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#271 » by Indeed » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:18 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:I want a 6'8 SF scorer please. That's what we are missing


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I don't think S. Bey can create for myself, therefore, not sure how you categorize him as a scorer, but his effort is there, which is a very good fit in our system.

Meanwhile Nwora would be a scorer, a sharp shooter, but puts no effort on defense. Probably not someone we would consider, but can score.

Afterall, there maybe more than "SF scorer" we would be considering.
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Post#272 » by Indeed » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:23 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote::banghead:
dagger wrote:I suspect that if the team has a deep playoff run and wants to bring back Serge and/or Mark, plus Fred and Chris Boucher, we might use our pick to unload guaranteed salary (like McCaw and Stanley Johnson). The Raptors would be in the tax if the team brings everyone back, even if Marc is open to a much smaller salary.


Trading a 1st to unload only a 4 millon salary would never happen.


And I wonder if our strategy is to re-sign, or we are trying to get cap space for free agency. I wonder if we will do any one year rental again, and acquire someone about to become free agency.

There maybe more possibilities than we could thought of, may want to wait after the playoffs to see how other teams would do, e.g. Houston, Philly, Washington, etc. May on fire sale to regroup their rosters.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#273 » by TPV » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:35 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote::banghead:
dagger wrote:I suspect that if the team has a deep playoff run and wants to bring back Serge and/or Mark, plus Fred and Chris Boucher, we might use our pick to unload guaranteed salary (like McCaw and Stanley Johnson). The Raptors would be in the tax if the team brings everyone back, even if Marc is open to a much smaller salary.


Trading a 1st to unload only a 4 millon salary would never happen.


With the draft happening before FA, it would take a specific scenario to make this possible IMO. We could package McCaw and/or Johnson along with the 2020 draft pick to get a rotation player under contract next year, but would still be an FA for 2021. (I would love Nemanja Bjelica for this scenario).

I think it's more likely that the 2021 pick is being traded to unload salary during next season. (Though I'd say it would have to be both of McCaw and Johnson traded into a TPE/capspace to make it worthwhile to trade a first rounder).
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#274 » by Psubs » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:18 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote::banghead:
dagger wrote:I suspect that if the team has a deep playoff run and wants to bring back Serge and/or Mark, plus Fred and Chris Boucher, we might use our pick to unload guaranteed salary (like McCaw and Stanley Johnson). The Raptors would be in the tax if the team brings everyone back, even if Marc is open to a much smaller salary.


Trading a 1st to unload only a 4 millon salary would never happen.


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Post#275 » by yt_boi » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:09 pm

Paul Reed is who we should be targeting

Hes a defensive beast with in ever improving offensive game. Would be great in small ball line ups



2.5 blocks, 2 steals and is shooting 32% from 3 (40% last year) . Ft% has been 75%+ the last 2 years
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Post#276 » by team edward » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:56 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote::banghead:
dagger wrote:I suspect that if the team has a deep playoff run and wants to bring back Serge and/or Mark, plus Fred and Chris Boucher, we might use our pick to unload guaranteed salary (like McCaw and Stanley Johnson). The Raptors would be in the tax if the team brings everyone back, even if Marc is open to a much smaller salary.


Trading a 1st to unload only a 4 millon salary would never happen.

I’m sure you’re right, but it’s really $4m + $2m for the rookie and double it if you’re in the tax, and you lose the distribution of tax payments, so it could be worth like $12-$15m.
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Post#277 » by Psubs » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:04 pm

yt_boi wrote:Paul Reed is who we should be targeting

Hes a defensive beast with in ever improving offensive game. Would be great in small ball line ups



2.5 blocks, 2 steals and is shooting 32% from 3 (40% last year) . Ft% has been 75%+ the last 2 years


Of course if he drops. He probably gets drafted before 25. Hopefully him or Jalen Smith!
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#278 » by Indeed » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:48 am

TPV wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote::banghead:
dagger wrote:I suspect that if the team has a deep playoff run and wants to bring back Serge and/or Mark, plus Fred and Chris Boucher, we might use our pick to unload guaranteed salary (like McCaw and Stanley Johnson). The Raptors would be in the tax if the team brings everyone back, even if Marc is open to a much smaller salary.


Trading a 1st to unload only a 4 millon salary would never happen.


With the draft happening before FA, it would take a specific scenario to make this possible IMO. We could package McCaw and/or Johnson along with the 2020 draft pick to get a rotation player under contract next year, but would still be an FA for 2021. (I would love Nemanja Bjelica for this scenario).

I think it's more likely that the 2021 pick is being traded to unload salary during next season. (Though I'd say it would have to be both of McCaw and Johnson traded into a TPE/capspace to make it worthwhile to trade a first rounder).


2021 draft, where they are including high school grads, which may increase the talent on each tier?
I doubt we want to trade away that pick, even it is a low pick, you may get a lottery talent as compare to other draft.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#279 » by TPV » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:03 am

Indeed wrote:
TPV wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote::banghead:

Trading a 1st to unload only a 4 millon salary would never happen.


With the draft happening before FA, it would take a specific scenario to make this possible IMO. We could package McCaw and/or Johnson along with the 2020 draft pick to get a rotation player under contract next year, but would still be an FA for 2021. (I would love Nemanja Bjelica for this scenario).

I think it's more likely that the 2021 pick is being traded to unload salary during next season. (Though I'd say it would have to be both of McCaw and Johnson traded into a TPE/capspace to make it worthwhile to trade a first rounder).


2021 draft, where they are including high school grads, which may increase the talent on each tier?
I doubt we want to trade away that pick, even it is a low pick, you may get a lottery talent as compare to other draft.


2021 will be a better draft, though there hasn't been any announcement that I've seen that it will include high schoolers.

Hopefully, the 2021 first rounder won't need to be moved. I just think that it's more likely we see a salary dump in season next year, vs. trading a 2020 first rounder to dump salary before free agency (when we have so many free agents and will operate as an over the cap team with all the cap holds).
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#280 » by Mark_83 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:23 am

yt_boi wrote:Paul Reed is who we should be targeting

Hes a defensive beast with in ever improving offensive game. Would be great in small ball line ups



2.5 blocks, 2 steals and is shooting 32% from 3 (40% last year) . Ft% has been 75%+ the last 2 years

I don't know why but Reed is less impressive watching him than his stats. But you can't deny the analytics.

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