2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[Mr Puddles]

Joining in the fun:

• 2019: Herro (Clarke was my second choice)
• 2018: Doncic (wanted him to the point that I had mixed feeling about getting the top pick, since that almost certainly meant we were going to pick Ayton.
• 2017: Jackson (Isaac was my second choice). I desperately wanted Ball this year, but it was clear he wasn't going to fall to us. I wanted no part of Tatum, thought his game was too similar to TJ Warren.
• 2016: Jamal Murray (Bender was my second choice). I honestly didn't really like any of the prospects in this draft.
• 2015: Oladipo (Noel was my second choice) . I didn't mind the Alex Len pick though, like in 2016, I wasnt particularly excited about any of the prospects.
• 2014: Porzingis. I was desperately hoping for a Porzingis trade (the rumored Bledsoe one). I liked Lyles for our own pick, was content with picking Booker after both those guys were off the boards.
• 2013: Zach Lavine. I knew nothing about TJ Warren I have to admit.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Wiseman is going to be a facinating test on how teams value of bigs has shifted. I doubt he falls this far but I also think some of the top 3 projections you see with him are ridiculous. I'd guess some team in the 7-10 range grabs him.

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[bwgood77]

Joining in the fun:

• 2019: Herro (Clarke was my second choice)
• 2018: Doncic (wanted him to the point that I had mixed feeling about getting the top pick, since that almost certainly meant we were going to pick Ayton.
• 2017: Jackson (Isaac was my second choice). I desperately wanted Ball this year, but it was clear he wasn't going to fall to us. I wanted no part of Tatum, thought his game was too similar to TJ Warren.
• 2016: Jamal Murray (Bender was my second choice). I honestly didn't really like any of the prospects in this draft.
• 2015: Oladipo (Noel was my second choice) . I didn't mind the Alex Len pick though, like in 2016, I wasnt particularly excited about any of the prospects.
• 2014: Porzingis. I was desperately hoping for a Porzingis trade (the rumored Bledsoe one). I liked Lyles for our own pick, was content with picking Booker after both those guys were off the boards.
• 2013: Zach Lavine. I knew nothing about TJ Warren I have to admit.

I kind of had mixed feelings about getting #1 as well, but then kept thinking that if we did get the 2nd pick, that McD would have taken Bagley anyway, which would have been the worst.

[ATTL]

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[DirtyDez]

I wanted Buddy Hield at 4 even with our glut of guards. I was thinking longterm and thought Book was more of a 6th man type (at the time).

[Ghost of Kleine]

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He'd just be so incredibly exciting to watch in our frontcourt, Especially next to Ayton. I'm also not too worried about his defense improving, As it's seemingly mostly awareness and rotational timing issues. I think that he'll continue to advance his game and defense, even to the point of becoming a fringe all star level starter after a few years in the league.

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/19/obi-toppin-scouting-report/

[bwgood77]

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He'd just be so incredibly exciting to watch in our frontcourt, Especially next to Ayton. I'm also not too worried about his defense improving, As it's seemingly mostly awareness and rotational timing issues. I think that he'll continue to advance his game and defense, even to the point of becoming a fringe all star level starter after a few years in the league.

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/19/obi-toppin-scouting-report/

He had some nice defensive plays in the highlights above that ATTL posted, and a lot more good highlights, passing, more dunks, 3s, moves to the basket, etc.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Tyler Bey is an elite rebounder and defender too, With a solid and developing jumpshot. It's kind of funny when you think about it! That Toppin is similar to Amare, And Tyler Bey is similar to Shawn Marion. If we could somehow get those two for our frontcourt, It'd be incredible.

[SunsRback4Good]

2 late missed free throws that could have won us the game. That's also back to back OT loses by a single point to Oregon this season. BWGOOD, this sucks man. if we beat them twice we blew the first game as well we'd easily be top 12 team in the nation instead about to drop from 24th to who knows what number.

[Revived]

So basically the last 2 pages of this thread has shown that a sports message board forum posters can draft better than the guys that Robert Sarver pays millions in annual salary to do lol. We would’ve been better off with most of the draft scenarios of the last 2 pages than we would what the Suns actually did.

I’ve always felt that we create better trade ideas and hypothetical draft selections than the actual Suns GMs have done for the past many years.

It’s why I always laugh when idiots try to win arguments by saying things like “Well who do you think knows, the _____ general manager who got to watch him in person at player A’s workouts or you???”.

When it comes to the Suns, almost anyone else knows more about what the right move to make is than the actual general manager in charge. It’s been this way since Robert Sarver bought the team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Really great work by Spencer, And a reallly good read too. I believe that "I'm not McD I swear " first recognized Beys' immense "Marion like" potential, And then a few others after perhaps. But he's truly a dynamic rebounder and a near elite defender in the mold of Shawn Marion. Honestly though, How cool would it be IF, just IF we were able and willing to draft Obi Toppin ( Amare 2.0) and Tyler Bey ( Marion 2.0) to our frontcourt?

Then we'd really just need to find our Nash 2.0 and start kicking major azzzz!

Speaking of which, As someone ( I forget who exactly)? Perhaps either Logician or Revived??? A couple of weeks ago, Payton Pritchard( Oregon) is a really solid candidate to potentially fill a Nash role for us.

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http://www.tankathon.com/players/payton-pritchard .

Of course, Malachi Flynn ( San Diego state).
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066668/malachi-flynn

Guard, 6-foot-2, Junior

After 15 games, San Diego State is still undefeated – including four wins against conference opponents. Their best player has been junior guard Malachi Flynn, whose assist rate (30.7 percent) has helped keep them as one of the more relevant teams in the NCAA. His assist-to-turnover ratio (3.3) has been fantastic and he has looked sharp against Top 75 teams. Flynn is averaging 15.9 points per game and is shooting 43.0 percent from 3-point range. He has shown flashes shooting on handoffs and off screens. But his biggest strength has been his ability to help his team score in the pick-and-roll. When including his passes, per Synergy, Flynn ranks Top 25 in total points created in the PnR among all D1 Players.

And Grant Riller ( Charleston)
http://www.tankathon.com/players/grant-riller

Guard, 6-foot-3, Senior

Charleston’s Grant Riller is currently averaging 22.2 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 1.6 steals per game. The senior has been one of the most efficient and prolific scorers and creators out of the pick-and-roll. As such, his assist rate (31.7 percent) ranks second-best in his conference. When including assists, he is averaging 1.33 points per possession in a set offense. That ranks in the 93rd percentile this season, per Synergy. Despite his 6-foot-3 frame, Riller is shooting 71.6 percent within five feet of the rim and is capable of attacking the basket. He has also drawn 6.8 fouls per 40 minutes, which ranks No. 18 among all NCAA players. Overall, Riller is a high usage point guard who can potentially make an impact off the bench as an elite mid-major prospect.

Both amazing and utterly dynamic guards to be considered as well. And again, could easily be had for almost nothing as 2nd round picks.

[oddity]

So I've watched a **** ton of killian hayes tape over the past week and he immediately jumped to number one on my point guard list. His shooting and scoring at the basket are just too good to deny right now. He's shooting 45/39/90 including 62% by the rim. Has the athleticism, IQ, handles to set himself up often enough too. He reminds me a lot of DLo!!!
I think his major weaknesses right now are closing out on perimeter players on defense and being able to go to his right hand on offense. He's already showing glimpses of defensive improvement, and hes developed reliable pull-ups and step backs going left or right, so that's a great sign for his development.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Kristaps Porzingis 2.0 maybe???.........

[RunDogGun]

If Toppin is the guy many of us may want, who is betting the team before us drafts him?

[jcsunsfan]

So I've watched a **** ton of killian hayes tape over the past week and he immediately jumped to number one on my point guard list. His shooting and scoring at the basket are just too good to deny right now. He's shooting 45/39/90 including 62% by the rim. Has the athleticism, IQ, handles to set himself up often enough too. He reminds me a lot of DLo!!!
I think his major weaknesses right now are closing out on perimeter players on defense and being able to go to his right hand on offense. He's already showing glimpses of defensive improvement, and hes developed reliable pull-ups and step backs going left or right, so that's a great sign for his development.

He is shooting 32% from three according to Tankathon. Why the difference in stats? He also turns it over 4.8 times per36. That is really high. Those kinds of players get flashy highlights but at a huge cost.

[jcsunsfan]

If Toppin is the guy many of us may want, who is betting the team before us drafts him?

Toppin is going to end up going top 5.

[Frank Lee]

This draft is similar to many that has no clear cut #1-2 or 3. there's 4-6 guys that are pretty good... then a whole bunch that might be. It will be ripe for sleepers.
Not exactly our forte'. Will this be a draft for need or BPA?

[RunDogGun]

If Toppin is the guy many of us may want, who is betting the team before us drafts him?

Toppin is going to end up going top 5.

More than likely. But if we lucked into the #3 spot, he would go #2.

Either way, we still have our biggest hole at the 4, with no real main PF, and no prospects waiting in the wings (no pun intended) for that spot. It will be interesting to see what we do at the current place we are at in the draft, and its a bit concerning with the scouting staff we currently have. For me the needs are either a scoring guard, who can run some point if needed, who is not a scrub on defense. Or a PF, who is very solid on defense, crashes the boards, and has decent range.

We could get away with running our current starting line up next year, but we have to develop a solid bench, where guys stepping in, have the same hustle and drive the starters should be showing.

[bwgood77]

So I've watched a **** ton of killian hayes tape over the past week and he immediately jumped to number one on my point guard list. His shooting and scoring at the basket are just too good to deny right now. He's shooting 45/39/90 including 62% by the rim. Has the athleticism, IQ, handles to set himself up often enough too. He reminds me a lot of DLo!!!
I think his major weaknesses right now are closing out on perimeter players on defense and being able to go to his right hand on offense. He's already showing glimpses of defensive improvement, and hes developed reliable pull-ups and step backs going left or right, so that's a great sign for his development.

I'll have to his tape and read about him. I just really hope if a PG is the best prospect on the board when we pick, that they don't take someone else solely because they traded into the late first to take Jerome. I would have a hard time taking a PG if Toppin is on the board (based on the limited research I've done and stuff I've seen), but I don't expect him to be unless we jump into top 4.

[bwgood77]

So I've watched a **** ton of killian hayes tape over the past week and he immediately jumped to number one on my point guard list. His shooting and scoring at the basket are just too good to deny right now. He's shooting 45/39/90 including 62% by the rim. Has the athleticism, IQ, handles to set himself up often enough too. He reminds me a lot of DLo!!!
I think his major weaknesses right now are closing out on perimeter players on defense and being able to go to his right hand on offense. He's already showing glimpses of defensive improvement, and hes developed reliable pull-ups and step backs going left or right, so that's a great sign for his development.

He is shooting 32% from three according to Tankathon. Why the difference in stats? He also turns it over 4.8 times per36. That is really high. Those kinds of players get flashy highlights but at a huge cost.

39% appears to be just his eurocup stats, which make up 18 of his 31 games. They have it separated into 3 lines here.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Killian-Hayes/Summary/108654