MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened

[Barnzy]

Give it to Giannis, it's over man. Anyone who believe that Lebron deserve it over Giannis he is biased. IT'S OVER !!!

We are watching the beginning of a Legend. 25 year old Highest per in NBA history. Back to Back MVP 25 years old !!!

Let's see him have playoff success before we crown him a legend.

[1bigfan13]

I think Westbrook deserves to be in the MVP discussion as well. Not as the potential winner but if voting were held today I think he'd definitely deserves top 5-7 consideration.

He's been Houston's best player for about 2 months now.

[Goudelock]

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If Giannis can consistently make that little turnaround eight-foot jumpshot when his drive to the hoop is cut off, then it's over for the league.

[The Lazy Potato]

I think Westbrook deserves to be in the MVP discussion as well. Not as the potential winner but if voting were held today I think he'd definitely deserves top 5-7 consideration.

He's been Houston's best player for about 2 months now.

Yeah but MVP title is not about what he is doing for a short period of time. It's a marathon not a sprint. He have to be great the whole season.

[Packbuckman]

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If Giannis can consistently make that little turnaround eight-foot jumpshot when his drive to the hoop is cut off, then it's over for the league.

Yes he’s starting to add that to his game now I love it. It looks smoother and smoother the more he does it. I expect him to take more of them to get his game ready for the playoffs

[BloodNinja]

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If Giannis can consistently make that little turnaround eight-foot jumpshot when his drive to the hoop is cut off, then it's over for the league.

Yes he’s starting to add that to his game now I love it. It looks smoother and smoother the more he does it. I expect him to take more of them to get his game ready for the playoffs

He's starting to hit some mid/long 2's as well. Chuck in a 3 or two in there and his game just opens up so much.

[Yuri36]

Is it that far stretched to just bring Zion's name in that thread?
His stats and most of all, his impact on Pels results (basically one of the hottest teams since he came back from his injury) are undeniable and quite something for a 19 years old rookie guy.

[antonac]

Is it that far stretched to just bring Zion's name in that thread?
His stats and most of all, his impact on Pels results (basically one of the hottest teams since he came back from his injury) are undeniable and quite something for a 19 years old rookie guy.

yes, obviously.

Doncic, is pretty much out of the race for missing 15 games, let alone 40 like Zion.

Also, aside from a good win over Boston about a month ago the Pelicans haven't really beaten anyone spectacular. The Bulls, the Cavs, the Warriors, The blazers, the pacers, the grizzlies have been their scalps, fringe play off teams to lotto dwellers.

they're not playing badly by any means, it's good they are beating the teams they're about on par with, but any team that's aiming higher than just sneaking into the play offs has put them away and I'd expect the Lakers to do them same. That's a long way off MVP impact, especially this year.

[Yuri36]

Is it that far stretched to just bring Zion's name in that thread?
His stats and most of all, his impact on Pels results (basically one of the hottest teams since he came back from his injury) are undeniable and quite something for a 19 years old rookie guy.

yes, obviously.

Doncic, is pretty much out of the race for missing 15 games, let alone 40 like Zion.

Also, aside from a good win over Boston about a month ago the Pelicans haven't really beaten anyone spectacular. The Bulls, the Cavs, the Warriors, The blazers, the pacers, the grizzlies have been their scalps, fringe play off teams to lotto dwellers.

they're not playing badly by any means, it's good they are beating the teams they're about on par with, but any team that's aiming higher than just sneaking into the play offs has put them away and I'd expect the Lakers to do them same. That's a long way off MVP impact, especially this year.

Yeah but look at how they've beaten them, more often than not by 15pts+. Most of their wins have been blow-outs and that's very impressive.

[MrPerfect1]

Give it to Giannis, it's over man. Anyone who believe that Lebron deserve it over Giannis he is biased. IT'S OVER !!!

We are watching the beginning of a Legend. 25 year old Highest per in NBA history. Back to Back MVP 25 years old !!!

Let's see him have playoff success before we crown him a legend.

Reaching the Conference Finals is part of Playoff Success

[JN61]

If one is to believe the media it should be LeBron because he's apparently more valuable for his team. It's interesting mind games they play. I'm guessing it's leading next for speculation how Giannis should join big market after winning MVP.

[Colbinii]

If one is to believe the media it should be LeBron because he's apparently more valuable for his team. It's interesting mind games they play. I'm guessing it's leading next for speculation how Giannis should join big market after winning MVP.

LeBron is more valuable to his team but Giannis is having a better season and has a great narrative so he should be the MVP.

[mediocrityrules]

Giannis has 12 games this season of 30+ points, 15+ rebounds and 5+ assists.

The rest of the league has 10.

3 of those 12 games from Giannis were done in less than 30 minutes.

These are insane stats.

[bballgod07]

Giannis has 12 games this season of 30+ points, 15+ rebounds and 5+ assists.

The rest of the league has 10.

3 of those 12 games from Giannis were done in less than 30 minutes.

These are insane stats.

Harden average 35ppg, the rest of the league has 0.
Also, today the water is blue.
These are insane stats.

[SeniorWalker]

If one is to believe the media it should be LeBron because he's apparently more valuable for his team. It's interesting mind games they play. I'm guessing it's leading next for speculation how Giannis should join big market after winning MVP.

LeBron is more valuable to his team but Giannis is having a better season and has a great narrative so he should be the MVP.

In what sense? Do you believe that a LeBron with no AD team would be doing anywhere near what they are now? Cause we saw a lot of that last year. And this LeBron looks even more diminished in scoring ability, though still a great player. LeBron is the Lakers MVP but not the MVP of the league. AD does not get the credit he deserves for leading the team in scoring and defense. He is a fairly close second on that team in importance and this will show even more in the playoffs.

[rzzzzz]

Embiid got 17 touches in the paint last night (finally!) and had 49/14. can only imagine what he could do if he played old school center most of the time.

[Je K]

Embiid got 17 touches in the paint last night (finally!) and had 49/14. can only imagine what he could do if he played old school center most of the time.

Helps when he's playing the third worst defense in the league that only has one player above 6' 9" and he only plays 14 min. There just aren't a ton of teams in the league that Embiid has that huge of a size difference against.

[KGtabake]

Embiid got 17 touches in the paint last night (finally!) and had 49/14. can only imagine what he could do if he played old school center most of the time.

Jokic v Hawks: 47
Towns v Hawks: 56
Embiid v Hawks: 49

The takeaway is that the Hawks really needed someone like Capela.

[Colbinii]

In what sense? Do you believe that a LeBron with no AD team would be doing anywhere near what they are now?

I do not believe that but I do believe that a team with AD and no LeBron is significantly worse than the team would be with LeBron and no AD. Again, this isn't even a discussion about goodness or how great LeBron or AD is compared to the other. This is a discussion about what LeBron gives the Lakers that AD doesn't and how LeBron's skill-set can't be replaced while part of what AD does can be replaced/replicated.

Cause we saw a lot of that last year. And this LeBron looks even more diminished in scoring ability, though still a great player.

Sure, LeBron's scoring ability is somewhat diminished but his playmaking ability and comfort level in a playmaking role has never been higher in his career. His shot has been inconsistent [career low from midrange] and yet he is still right around league average efficiency even though he has been assisted on a career low percentage of shots. LeBron is still tasked with taking a lot of late shot clock shots and very "low quality" shots an offensive superstar is tasked with against good defenses.

LeBron is the Lakers MVP but not the MVP of the league.

I understand that but this isn't some factoid, there isn't a standard definition of what the "League MVP is". Some people could view MVP as what player could make most teams in the NBA better. Some others could look at MVP and go "What team loses the most when Player X isn't on the team". It gets very difficult to define MVP as we all have different views and opinions on what an MVP is.

AD does not get the credit he deserves for leading the team in scoring and defense. He is a fairly close second on that team in importance and this will show even more in the playoffs.

I am not sure if he is a close second but he is a clear-cut 2nd. Most line-up data we have suggests Lebron is far and away the driving force of the Lakers. Whether part of that is skewed because of the way the team has been constructed lends itself to a different type of discussion. I think it is quite clear when watching the games you have LeBron, a gap, Davis, a gap, and then everyone else.

[Colbinii]

Embiid got 17 touches in the paint last night (finally!) and had 49/14. can only imagine what he could do if he played old school center most of the time.

Let me fix this.

Imagine what he could do if he could play against the Hawks most of the time.