Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

No-Man · Post #201 » by **No-Man** » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:38 pm

I don't think much of those guys, I mean they are likely rotation wings which carries value, but like Orlando needs someone with higher upside than that

cedric76 · Post #202 » by **cedric76** » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:47 pm

Fischella wrote:I think in your spot, 15-16th, the best player is going to be the Guard that drops there between Maxey, Hayes, Mannion, one of them likely is available

If not it gets trickier, I have Tre Jones as the next PG and I'd be fine taking him there but he likely would not work with Fultz, Achiuwa is everything that this FO likes kinda, I think honestly the next guy with highest upside offensively is Leandro Bolmaro to me, maybe Theo Maledon but I am not super into him

We want a sg not a pg

If vassell is still available when we pick, i think weham will have a hard look at him

PrimeThyme · Post #203 » by **PrimeThyme** » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:36 pm

j-ragg wrote:How is Vassell's game outside of shooting 3s? I watched some of him and I love his jumper he just didn't do much else. But I saw very limited amount. Reminded me a bit of Mikal Bridges at Nova.

I think he will definitely primarily excel as a 3&D specialist at the next level, but he has a really intriguing skillset offensively outside of just a 3 pointer. He's got a sweet touch around the basket and has a very effective floater off the dribble that he uses quite often to finish in the lane. He takes guards/forwards into the post quite often. Vassell is also just one of those pure shooters/scorers where he is pretty much effective from anywhere on the court and has a solid mid-range game as well. The next facet which will determine just how high his ceiling is is the off the dribble pull up game he has started to flash as the season has progressed. Like you see in the first clip, he has the ability it will just be a matter of consistency and if he can translate to the next level.

Spoiler:

His fit defensively would just be seamless as well. He doesn't have Isaac's defensive instinct coming out of college where he can completely change the outcome of a game, but he has some of the best I've seen in a while. Especially for a SG prospect. He's developed into an awesome help defender and will come out of nowhere about once a game and send a shot (leads FSU in blocks). He's also averaging close to 1.5 spg this season. I absolutely love the idea of his long-term fit next to Fultz not only as a floor spacer, but also as an elite defensive backcourt pairing.

As is typical for a Leonard Hamilton player, his stat line is not gaudy and though he is our best player he is not asked to do much outside of his clearly defined role on offense. I do think he has been a bit passive throughout points this season and I don't think he is ever going to be an alpha scorer (though he does hit a lot of clutch shots for this team) but you aren't really drafting for that outside of the lottery which is where we will be.

It is a very similar situation to Isaac, and many used that as a negative for him as well but I think he is really going to surprise people at the next level.

Patrick1978 · Post #204 » by **Patrick1978** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:08 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:
j-ragg wrote:How is Vassell's game outside of shooting 3s? I watched some of him and I love his jumper he just didn't do much else. But I saw very limited amount. Reminded me a bit of Mikal Bridges at Nova.

I think he will definitely primarily excel as a 3&D specialist at the next level, but he has a really intriguing skillset offensively outside of just a 3 pointer. He's got a sweet touch around the basket and has a very effective floater off the dribble that he uses quite often to finish in the lane. He takes guards/forwards into the post quite often. Vassell is also just one of those pure shooters/scorers where he is pretty much effective from anywhere on the court and has a solid mid-range game as well. The next facet which will determine just how high his ceiling is is the off the dribble pull up game he has started to flash as the season has progressed. Like you see in the first clip, he has the ability it will just be a matter of consistency and if he can translate to the next level.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

His fit defensively would just be seamless as well. He doesn't have Isaac's defensive instinct coming out of college where he can completely change the outcome of a game, but he has some of the best I've seen in a while. Especially for a SG prospect. He's developed into an awesome help defender and will come out of nowhere about once a game and send a shot (leads FSU in blocks). He's also averaging close to 1.5 spg this season. I absolutely love the idea of his long-term fit next to Fultz not only as a floor spacer, but also as an elite defensive backcourt pairing.

As is typical for a Leonard Hamilton player, his stat line is not gaudy and though he is our best player he is not asked to do much outside of his clearly defined role on offense. I do think he has been a bit passive throughout points this season and I don't think he is ever going to be an alpha scorer (though he does hit a lot of clutch shots for this team) but you aren't really drafting for that outside of the lottery which is where we will be.

It is a very similar situation to Isaac, and many used that as a negative for him as well but I think he is really going to surprise people at the next level.

I like the fit of Vassell with Fultz.

I started to watch Florida State because of Vassell and Patrick Williams.

No-Man · Post #205 » by **No-Man** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:10 am

Read on Twitter

j-ragg · Post #206 » by **j-ragg** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:59 pm

Lamelo Ball the #1 pick.... Jesus Christ. What a waste of good ping pong luck that team will have.

Skin · Post #207 » by **Skin** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:35 am

Fischella wrote:

Read on Twitter

I'll punch a wall if we draft Nico Mannion.

zaymon · Post #208 » by **zaymon** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:12 pm

I think in this situation Vassell makes more sense than Mannion unless Weltman thinks Nico is lead ball handler material. We could slide Ross to be reserve sf and plat Devin as a 2. It would be so Weltman like move.

j-ragg · Post #209 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:01 pm

Skin wrote:
Fischella wrote:

Read on Twitter

I'll punch a wall if we draft Nico Mannion.

I really don't see it with him. I guess he's a projected mid first in a crap draft so maybe there isn't much to get, but I don't see what he does very well/projects to do well in the NBA.

Patrick1978 · Post #210 » by **Patrick1978** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:18 pm

j-ragg wrote:
Skin wrote:
Fischella wrote:

Read on Twitter

I'll punch a wall if we draft Nico Mannion.

I really don't see it with him. I guess he's a projected mid first in a crap draft so maybe there isn't much to get, but I don't see what he does very well/projects to do well in the NBA.

For all the concerns about Mannion’s athleticism, his shiftiness and skill level are top-notch. He has the ball on a string, and his touch typically makes up for lackluster size and explosiveness. Add a reliable three-point shot, and Mannion has enough to score in a professional setting.

Basketball I.Q. is what stands out most for Mannion. His reads are quick, his passes are on-target

j-ragg · Post #211 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:25 pm

Patrick1978 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:
Skin wrote:I'll punch a wall if we draft Nico Mannion.

I really don't see it with him. I guess he's a projected mid first in a crap draft so maybe there isn't much to get, but I don't see what he does very well/projects to do well in the NBA.

For all the concerns about Mannion’s athleticism, his shiftiness and skill level are top-notch. He has the ball on a string, and his touch typically makes up for lackluster size and explosiveness. Add a reliable three-point shot, and Mannion has enough to score in a professional setting.

Basketball I.Q. is what stands out most for Mannion. His reads are quick, his passes are on-target

Gotcha. Thanks, stuff like that you don't usually pick up on YT clips. His shot looks fine but his shooting numbers are rough, not sure we'd be a great fit for him but he has decent size and if his IQ is as good as you say he could probably be a 10 year veteran. Doesn't look like star potential to me but that's not where we're at in the draft anyway.

Xatticus · Post #212 » by **Xatticus** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:48 pm

j-ragg wrote:
Skin wrote:
Fischella wrote:

Read on Twitter

I'll punch a wall if we draft Nico Mannion.

I really don't see it with him. I guess he's a projected mid first in a crap draft so maybe there isn't much to get, but I don't see what he does very well/projects to do well in the NBA.

He is physically limited, but I actually like his game. He is really comfortable on the ball and he slings it around. His TOV% is a bit high, but that's to be expected. He is a decent athlete and he can really run. He can drive and kick and he can run the pick-and-roll. He is selfless, which is good, but I think he probably has to be. He doesn't get all the way to the rim and he doesn't finish well when he gets there, so he is going to need a good floater game. He is a legit point guard. He doesn't dribble aimlessly or idle in hopes that something develops. He manipulates defenders to create passing lanes and he is good at it. He is an offensive conduit and we desperately need what he does. I would feel much better about him if his shooting numbers were better. I don't think he will ever score a lot, but I'm pretty confident that he will be a good offensive player.

j-ragg · Post #213 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:52 pm

Xatticus wrote:
j-ragg wrote:
Skin wrote:I'll punch a wall if we draft Nico Mannion.

I really don't see it with him. I guess he's a projected mid first in a crap draft so maybe there isn't much to get, but I don't see what he does very well/projects to do well in the NBA.

He is physically limited, but I actually like his game. He is really comfortable on the ball and he slings it around. His TOV% is a bit high, but that's to be expected. He is a decent athlete and he can really run. He can drive and kick and he can run the pick-and-roll. He is selfless, which is good, but I think he probably has to be. He doesn't get all the way to the rim and he doesn't finish well when he gets there, so he is going to need a good floater game. He is a legit point guard. He doesn't dribble aimlessly or idle in hopes that something develops. He manipulates defenders to create passing lanes and he is good at it. He is an offensive conduit and we desperately need what he does. I would feel much better about him if his shooting numbers were better. I don't think he will ever score a lot, but I'm pretty confident that he will be a good offensive player.

Gotcha. Worse shooting Tomas Satoransky? I like his game a lot but its nothing that'll make the top 10 plays of the night. I said it a couple posts above but nothing with his shot looks bad mechanically I don't see why it couldn't improve.

No-Man · Post #214 » by **No-Man** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:13 pm

lol Nico is a much better shooting prospect than Satoransky

j-ragg · Post #215 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:28 pm

Fischella wrote:lol Nico is a much better shooting prospect than Satoransky

Sick burn. I was trying to understand who he was as a prospect but you got me, I don't know much about him.

Skin · Post #216 » by **Skin** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:50 pm

I'm glad that ya'll like him, but I'm still not a fan. I guess I can find solice in the fact that he won't be on WeHam's radar. Mannion has is 6'3 with a 6'2 wingspan.

Tarheel · Post #217 » by **Tarheel** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:27 am

Fischella wrote:

Read on Twitter

I think the Hornets pick Wiseman if he's still on the board. Don't see him dropping to 14.

MagicFan101 · Post #218 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:05 pm

j-ragg wrote:Lamelo Ball the #1 pick.... Jesus Christ. What a waste of good ping pong luck that team will have.

Why? Is your hate simply due to his last name?

I haven’t seen him play but by all scouting reports he a very different type of player than his brother, much more of an offensive shooter and overall the best NBA prospect of the family.

More importantly, this isn’t a prized draft class and lesser talent will rise to the top.

Without more information, a 6’6 guard who can supposedly shoot well from anywhere makes sense to me at the top of a poor draft. Unless it’s simply hate for the family ...

j-ragg · Post #219 » by **j-ragg** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:15 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:Lamelo Ball the #1 pick.... Jesus Christ. What a waste of good ping pong luck that team will have.

Why? Is your hate simply due to his last name?

I haven’t seen him play but by all scouting reports he a very different type of player than his brother, much more of an offensive shooter and overall the best NBA prospect of the family.

More importantly, this isn’t a prized draft class and lesser talent will rise to the top.

Without more information, a 6’6 guard who can supposedly shoot well from anywhere makes sense to me at the top of a poor draft. Unless it’s simply hate for the family ...

Yeah he’s supposed to be... but he shot 25% from 3 in New Zealand. Not that it’s everything but for a shooter, his shot stinks. I think he has good vision but I don’t think he has the athleticism/shooting to be a good NBA scorer (like his brother).

Lonzo is in a good situation now though and will carve out a nice role. I just have never seen the hype much with Lamelo and always wondered why DraftExpress guys have tried so hard to push him to be the #1 pick.

MagicFan101 · Post #220 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:55 pm

j-ragg wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:Lamelo Ball the #1 pick.... Jesus Christ. What a waste of good ping pong luck that team will have.

Why? Is your hate simply due to his last name?

I haven’t seen him play but by all scouting reports he a very different type of player than his brother, much more of an offensive shooter and overall the best NBA prospect of the family.

More importantly, this isn’t a prized draft class and lesser talent will rise to the top.

Without more information, a 6’6 guard who can supposedly shoot well from anywhere makes sense to me at the top of a poor draft. Unless it’s simply hate for the family ...

Yeah he’s supposed to be... but he shot 25% from 3 in New Zealand. Not that it’s everything but for a shooter, his shot stinks. I think he has good vision but I don’t think he has the athleticism/shooting to be a good NBA scorer (like his brother).

Lonzo is in a good situation now though and will carve out a nice role. I just have never seen the hype much with Lamelo and always wondered why DraftExpress guys have tried so hard to push him to be the #1 pick.

Edwards isn’t setting the world on fire.

Wiseman is a specimen but doesn’t fit the NBA today.

Those were the mega names early in the year. Part of the story is simply that ... a lack of elite talent at the top of the draft.

What kind of player do you think we need most?