Iguodala TPE -> Player X -> Aaron Gordon

[rugbyrugger23]

Y’all projecting Minnesota to be terrible again next year? Like, more terrible than this year?

As for Indy, it’s still rough and requires a complete paradigm shift in terms of giving up an additional year to try and draft for the far off future, or dealing a guy to create a hole to then try and deal those pieces along with other valued pieces like our starting SF to then create another hole while simultaneously trying to fill the first hole. Confusing. Generally not our route of action. In this situation where we deal our starters at Pf/C and SF, how do we get back two new starters at the SF and PF spots (since we’d then like to move Sabonis to the C spot) that are as good or better than we already have? Herein lies the tough part of any deal centered around Myles for a draft pick. Indy doesn’t really deal current for future unless they’re at a precipice and know a rebuild is happening anyway (JO for Hibbert, Dale Davis for JO).

Personally I think the trade is more simple.

Turner + Lamb + Warren (via TPE)

FOR

Wiggins + Paschall + Poole + 2020 GSW FRP + 2021 Wolves FRP + 10.8mil TPE

Pacers gamble Wiggins can be saved — maybe even continue the uptick in his development GSW have started. He would look good next to Dipo and Brogdon.

Paschall is new PF next to Sabonis.

Pacers draft who they think is best player available (not Wiseman because Warriors probably stand pat if they can draft him) with Warriors FRP.

Then the Pacers are off and running.
C: Sabonis
F: Paschall
F: Wiggins
G: Dipo
G: Brogdon

Once they get a feel for new lineup, they go shopping using TPE (to start) and then even a consolidation trade at some point: GSW 2020 + Wolves 2021 + Own FFRP as needed.

Like I said, Indy doesn’t tank. No thanks.

I guess you are going to have to explain to me why that is a tank?

[Scoot McGroot]

Personally I think the trade is more simple.

Turner + Lamb + Warren (via TPE)

FOR

Wiggins + Paschall + Poole + 2020 GSW FRP + 2021 Wolves FRP + 10.8mil TPE

Pacers gamble Wiggins can be saved — maybe even continue the uptick in his development GSW have started. He would look good next to Dipo and Brogdon.

Paschall is new PF next to Sabonis.

Pacers draft who they think is best player available (not Wiseman because Warriors probably stand pat if they can draft him) with Warriors FRP.

Then the Pacers are off and running.
C: Sabonis
F: Paschall
F: Wiggins
G: Dipo
G: Brogdon

Once they get a feel for new lineup, they go shopping using TPE (to start) and then even a consolidation trade at some point: GSW 2020 + Wolves 2021 + Own FFRP as needed.

Like I said, Indy doesn’t tank. No thanks.

I guess you are going to have to explain to me why that is a tank?

Getting much worse on the court to lose games intentionally and acquire draft assets in the process? It’s certainly not a winning type move as it makes us greatly worse at two major starting spots. And the incentive is for draft assets. One of which is in this draft where the strength is players at the 1, 2, and maybe 3, but not the 4.

[rugbyrugger23]

Like I said, Indy doesn’t tank. No thanks.

I guess you are going to have to explain to me why that is a tank?

Getting much worse on the court to lose games intentionally and acquire draft assets in the process? It’s certainly not a winning type move as it makes us greatly worse at two major starting spots. And the incentive is for draft assets. One of which is in this draft where the strength is players at the 1, 2, and maybe 3, but not the 4.

You still aren’t convincing me where Indy tanks here.

Turner is best player in the trade — but Turner isn’t even Pacers best player. If for some reason you think a drop off to “tank” level by subbing out Lamb + Warren for Wiggins + Paschall, I won’t agree. More so when adding a top 3 rookie.

And as I said, Pacers have two very real ways to improve team — 10.8mil TPE and plenty of draft assets to consolidate.

[Scoot McGroot]

I guess you are going to have to explain to me why that is a tank?

Getting much worse on the court to lose games intentionally and acquire draft assets in the process? It’s certainly not a winning type move as it makes us greatly worse at two major starting spots. And the incentive is for draft assets. One of which is in this draft where the strength is players at the 1, 2, and maybe 3, but not the 4.

You still aren’t convincing me where Indy tanks here.

Turner is best player in the trade — but Turner isn’t even Pacers best player. If for some reason you think a drop off to “tank” level by subbing out Lamb + Warren for Wiggins + Paschall, I won’t agree. More so when adding a top 3 rookie.

And as I said, Pacers have two very real ways to improve team — 10.8mil TPE and plenty of draft assets to consolidate.

Tank may have been strong. Getting much worse, maybe not making the playoffs, all for draft capital. Definitely still good enough not to tank, unless Wiggins is Wiggins, but not good enough to compete in any way and maybe not make the playoffs.

So, with a $10.8m TPE and draft capital, who does Indy get that will start at SF and PF, and are they as good as TJ Warren and Myles Turner have been for us. And are we just stuck with Wiggins for those downgrades?

[basketballwacko2]

****. This whole thing is getting trickier and trickier.

Now here's a simple question that might be the key to pull off the scenario. When does the new cap calendar starts? I'm talking about the first date when the league begins to use the 2020/21 salary cap regulation.

July 1st. During the moratorium. Depends on how fast the accountants work, but generally, the moratorium has ended between July 5-7 in the past.

Okay let's say the next moratorium ends on July 6.

Warriors immediately trade the TPE for James Johnson on July 6. Then they are allowed to trade James Johnson plus pick(s) for Aaron Gordon whenever they please right? There's no restrictions for that specific trade scenario?

Wolves would get a huge James Johnson TPE. Warriors maximizing the Iguodala TPE to acquire a good expensive player. Magic acquire pick(s) for a player they reportedly don't want.

This is assuming AG is a good player worth $20 million a yr and the Luxury Tax bill!

[basketballwacko2]

There is nothing illegal about it. They talked about this strategy on the jump durring the trade deadline special. You can trade a traded played next day if you wanna they just can be moved with any one else. So you can salary ladder like this all day if you have the assets to do it. I would try to take Bobby portis off NYK and then flip him .he's at least young and sort of useful and he can be cut for a mill if it doesn't work out.

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One thing to remember is that Portis only counts for the guarantee in salary matching. NYK would have to fully guarantee his contract.

[basketballwacko2]

Personally I think the trade is more simple.

Turner + Lamb + Warren (via TPE)

FOR

Wiggins + Paschall + Poole + 2020 GSW FRP + 2021 Wolves FRP + 10.8mil TPE

Pacers gamble Wiggins can be saved — maybe even continue the uptick in his development GSW have started. He would look good next to Dipo and Brogdon.

Paschall is new PF next to Sabonis.

Pacers draft who they think is best player available (not Wiseman because Warriors probably stand pat if they can draft him) with Warriors FRP.

Then the Pacers are off and running.
C: Sabonis
F: Paschall
F: Wiggins
G: Dipo
G: Brogdon

Once they get a feel for new lineup, they go shopping using TPE (to start) and then even a consolidation trade at some point: GSW 2020 + Wolves 2021 + Own FFRP as needed.

Like I said, Indy doesn’t tank. No thanks.

I guess you are going to have to explain to me why that is a tank?

Wiggins and Paschall starting?

[rugbyrugger23]

Getting much worse on the court to lose games intentionally and acquire draft assets in the process? It’s certainly not a winning type move as it makes us greatly worse at two major starting spots. And the incentive is for draft assets. One of which is in this draft where the strength is players at the 1, 2, and maybe 3, but not the 4.

You still aren’t convincing me where Indy tanks here.

Turner is best player in the trade — but Turner isn’t even Pacers best player. If for some reason you think a drop off to “tank” level by subbing out Lamb + Warren for Wiggins + Paschall, I won’t agree. More so when adding a top 3 rookie.

And as I said, Pacers have two very real ways to improve team — 10.8mil TPE and plenty of draft assets to consolidate.

Tank may have been strong. Getting much worse, maybe not making the playoffs, all for draft capital. Definitely still good enough not to tank, unless Wiggins is Wiggins, but not good enough to compete in any way and maybe not make the playoffs.

So, with a $10.8m TPE and draft capital, who does Indy get that will start at SF and PF, and are they as good as TJ Warren and Myles Turner have been for us. And are we just stuck with Wiggins for those downgrades?

You must really like Warren? I don’t see him being any better than Wiggins or Paschall.

Don’t use the TPE. Add GSW FRP (plus Wolves 2021 plus FFRPs) to expiring McD and go after a star player. Resort Wiggins to 6th man role. Options are endless.

[DeathLineup]

July 1st. During the moratorium. Depends on how fast the accountants work, but generally, the moratorium has ended between July 5-7 in the past.

Okay let's say the next moratorium ends on July 6.

Warriors immediately trade the TPE for James Johnson on July 6. Then they are allowed to trade James Johnson plus pick(s) for Aaron Gordon whenever they please right? There's no restrictions for that specific trade scenario?

Wolves would get a huge James Johnson TPE. Warriors maximizing the Iguodala TPE to acquire a good expensive player. Magic acquire pick(s) for a player they reportedly don't want.

This is assuming AG is a good player worth $20 million a yr and the Luxury Tax bill!

Gordon will be better, if not much better, in Bay Area. He never got to play his natural position (power forward) full time in Orlando. The spacing is also very bad.

[gswhoops]

Okay let's say the next moratorium ends on July 6.

Warriors immediately trade the TPE for James Johnson on July 6. Then they are allowed to trade James Johnson plus pick(s) for Aaron Gordon whenever they please right? There's no restrictions for that specific trade scenario?

Wolves would get a huge James Johnson TPE. Warriors maximizing the Iguodala TPE to acquire a good expensive player. Magic acquire pick(s) for a player they reportedly don't want.

This is assuming AG is a good player worth $20 million a yr and the Luxury Tax bill!

Gordon will be better, if not much better, in Bay Area. He never got to play his natural position (power forward) full time in Orlando. The spacing is also very bad.

I’m confused by this. He won’t get to play the 4 full time in GS either. Draymond isn’t a full time 5 unless you want his body to be destroyed come playoff time.

[DeathLineup]

This is assuming AG is a good player worth $20 million a yr and the Luxury Tax bill!

Gordon will be better, if not much better, in Bay Area. He never got to play his natural position (power forward) full time in Orlando. The spacing is also very bad.

I’m confused by this. He won’t get to play the 4 full time in GS either. Draymond isn’t a full time 5 unless you want his body to be destroyed come playoff time.

Gordon won't be playing 4 much more than he did in Orlando. But he will play as the 4 during crunch time with a better spacing in the Bay.

[orlando_joe]

July 1st. During the moratorium. Depends on how fast the accountants work, but generally, the moratorium has ended between July 5-7 in the past.

Okay let's say the next moratorium ends on July 6.

Warriors immediately trade the TPE for James Johnson on July 6. Then they are allowed to trade James Johnson plus pick(s) for Aaron Gordon whenever they please right? There's no restrictions for that specific trade scenario?

Wolves would get a huge James Johnson TPE. Warriors maximizing the Iguodala TPE to acquire a good expensive player. Magic acquire pick(s) for a player they reportedly don't want.

This is assuming AG is a good player worth $20 million a yr and the Luxury Tax bill!

it is 16 and 18 mill a yr for next 2 yrs but I guess you can go with 20 mill a yr?

[Bimbo_Coles]

Gordon will be better, if not much better, in Bay Area. He never got to play his natural position (power forward) full time in Orlando. The spacing is also very bad.

I’m confused by this. He won’t get to play the 4 full time in GS either. Draymond isn’t a full time 5 unless you want his body to be destroyed come playoff time.

Gordon won't be playing 4 much more than he did in Orlando. But he will play as the 4 during crunch time with a better spacing in the Bay.

He would play a decent amount of 4. All the Draymond backup minutes, plus the time Draymond shifts to 5. I do like him in a new death lineup with Dray/Gordon/Wiggins/Klay/Steph

[DeathLineup]

I’m confused by this. He won’t get to play the 4 full time in GS either. Draymond isn’t a full time 5 unless you want his body to be destroyed come playoff time.

Gordon won't be playing 4 much more than he did in Orlando. But he will play as the 4 during crunch time with a better spacing in the Bay.

He would play a decent amount of 4. All the Draymond backup minutes, plus the time Draymond shifts to 5. I do like him in a new death lineup with Dray/Gordon/Wiggins/Klay/Steph

Totally agreed.

That looks like a very athletic closing line up. With a good size too. Should be able to switch a whole lot defensively. Offensively, the spacing should be good. Steph and Klay are obviously great shooters. Wiggins is nice from three.

[basketballwacko2]

Okay let's say the next moratorium ends on July 6.

Warriors immediately trade the TPE for James Johnson on July 6. Then they are allowed to trade James Johnson plus pick(s) for Aaron Gordon whenever they please right? There's no restrictions for that specific trade scenario?

Wolves would get a huge James Johnson TPE. Warriors maximizing the Iguodala TPE to acquire a good expensive player. Magic acquire pick(s) for a player they reportedly don't want.

This is assuming AG is a good player worth $20 million a yr and the Luxury Tax bill!

it is 16 and 18 mill a yr for next 2 yrs but I guess you can go with 20 mill a yr?

He's still not that good.

[Scoot McGroot]

You still aren’t convincing me where Indy tanks here.

Turner is best player in the trade — but Turner isn’t even Pacers best player. If for some reason you think a drop off to “tank” level by subbing out Lamb + Warren for Wiggins + Paschall, I won’t agree. More so when adding a top 3 rookie.

And as I said, Pacers have two very real ways to improve team — 10.8mil TPE and plenty of draft assets to consolidate.

Tank may have been strong. Getting much worse, maybe not making the playoffs, all for draft capital. Definitely still good enough not to tank, unless Wiggins is Wiggins, but not good enough to compete in any way and maybe not make the playoffs.

So, with a $10.8m TPE and draft capital, who does Indy get that will start at SF and PF, and are they as good as TJ Warren and Myles Turner have been for us. And are we just stuck with Wiggins for those downgrades?

You must really like Warren? I don’t see him being any better than Wiggins or Paschall.

Don’t use the TPE. Add GSW FRP (plus Wolves 2021 plus FFRPs) to expiring McD and go after a star player. Resort Wiggins to 6th man role. Options are endless.

Warren's been absolutely terrific for us this season, which has blown my mind. I didn't expect it. He's been an absolute bucket getter, which we've needed. Even better, he's actually been good on defense for us. Well above average almost every night (after mid-November), and sometimes great. He still gambles a bit too much sometime, but overall has really thrown his effort into it and been rewarded with being handed the toughest wing assignment most nights, without having double teams constantly thrown his way. He's definitely been better than Wiggins overall this season when accounting for his efficiency and ability to get to his shot. As for Paschall, I've only gotten to see him once or twice, but otherwise, I'm wondering what the deal is? He's certainly a guy worth having long-term it looks like, but his sheer numbers seem to be almost solely due to the fact GS has no one else to play. What's he do so well that has him valued so highly he's a main piece to a guy like Myles Turner?

As for the TPE/McD, that's really negigible. The TPE could net $10.8m, but McD in a deal could net only $12.3m in returning salary. What "star players" can we acquire in that salary range with those pieces? That's my question to you. I don't know that the options are endless as much as they're very limited to devalued prospects, or overvalued guys simply due to their cost controlled contracts. But we'd need two of them to fill the massive holes at the SF and the PF spot, so that limits us even more.

[NotACat]

This is assuming AG is a good player worth $20 million a yr and the Luxury Tax bill!

it is 16 and 18 mill a yr for next 2 yrs but I guess you can go with 20 mill a yr?

He's still not that good.

Agree to disagree.

[rugbyrugger23]

Tank may have been strong. Getting much worse, maybe not making the playoffs, all for draft capital. Definitely still good enough not to tank, unless Wiggins is Wiggins, but not good enough to compete in any way and maybe not make the playoffs.

So, with a $10.8m TPE and draft capital, who does Indy get that will start at SF and PF, and are they as good as TJ Warren and Myles Turner have been for us. And are we just stuck with Wiggins for those downgrades?

You must really like Warren? I don’t see him being any better than Wiggins or Paschall.

Don’t use the TPE. Add GSW FRP (plus Wolves 2021 plus FFRPs) to expiring McD and go after a star player. Resort Wiggins to 6th man role. Options are endless.

Warren's been absolutely terrific for us this season, which has blown my mind. I didn't expect it. He's been an absolute bucket getter, which we've needed. Even better, he's actually been good on defense for us. Well above average almost every night (after mid-November), and sometimes great. He still gambles a bit too much sometime, but overall has really thrown his effort into it and been rewarded with being handed the toughest wing assignment most nights, without having double teams constantly thrown his way. He's definitely been better than Wiggins overall this season when accounting for his efficiency and ability to get to his shot. As for Paschall, I've only gotten to see him once or twice, but otherwise, I'm wondering what the deal is? He's certainly a guy worth having long-term it looks like, but his sheer numbers seem to be almost solely due to the fact GS has no one else to play. What's he do so well that has him valued so highly he's a main piece to a guy like Myles Turner?

As for the TPE/McD, that's really negigible. The TPE could net $10.8m, but McD in a deal could net only $12.3m in returning salary. What "star players" can we acquire in that salary range with those pieces? That's my question to you. I don't know that the options are endless as much as they're very limited to devalued prospects, or overvalued guys simply due to their cost controlled contracts. But we'd need two of them to fill the massive holes at the SF and the PF spot, so that limits us even more.

McD Pacers can add the FRP. Pushes into low 20’s.

[Scoot McGroot]

You must really like Warren? I don’t see him being any better than Wiggins or Paschall.

Don’t use the TPE. Add GSW FRP (plus Wolves 2021 plus FFRPs) to expiring McD and go after a star player. Resort Wiggins to 6th man role. Options are endless.

Warren's been absolutely terrific for us this season, which has blown my mind. I didn't expect it. He's been an absolute bucket getter, which we've needed. Even better, he's actually been good on defense for us. Well above average almost every night (after mid-November), and sometimes great. He still gambles a bit too much sometime, but overall has really thrown his effort into it and been rewarded with being handed the toughest wing assignment most nights, without having double teams constantly thrown his way. He's definitely been better than Wiggins overall this season when accounting for his efficiency and ability to get to his shot. As for Paschall, I've only gotten to see him once or twice, but otherwise, I'm wondering what the deal is? He's certainly a guy worth having long-term it looks like, but his sheer numbers seem to be almost solely due to the fact GS has no one else to play. What's he do so well that has him valued so highly he's a main piece to a guy like Myles Turner?

As for the TPE/McD, that's really negigible. The TPE could net $10.8m, but McD in a deal could net only $12.3m in returning salary. What "star players" can we acquire in that salary range with those pieces? That's my question to you. I don't know that the options are endless as much as they're very limited to devalued prospects, or overvalued guys simply due to their cost controlled contracts. But we'd need two of them to fill the massive holes at the SF and the PF spot, so that limits us even more.

McD Pacers can add the FRP. Pushes into low 20’s.

I don’t understand this statement. McDermott makes $7.3m so he can salary match up to $12.3m. He can’t be combined with the TPE to acquire a $20m-ish salary.

[rugbyrugger23]

Warren's been absolutely terrific for us this season, which has blown my mind. I didn't expect it. He's been an absolute bucket getter, which we've needed. Even better, he's actually been good on defense for us. Well above average almost every night (after mid-November), and sometimes great. He still gambles a bit too much sometime, but overall has really thrown his effort into it and been rewarded with being handed the toughest wing assignment most nights, without having double teams constantly thrown his way. He's definitely been better than Wiggins overall this season when accounting for his efficiency and ability to get to his shot. As for Paschall, I've only gotten to see him once or twice, but otherwise, I'm wondering what the deal is? He's certainly a guy worth having long-term it looks like, but his sheer numbers seem to be almost solely due to the fact GS has no one else to play. What's he do so well that has him valued so highly he's a main piece to a guy like Myles Turner?

As for the TPE/McD, that's really negigible. The TPE could net $10.8m, but McD in a deal could net only $12.3m in returning salary. What "star players" can we acquire in that salary range with those pieces? That's my question to you. I don't know that the options are endless as much as they're very limited to devalued prospects, or overvalued guys simply due to their cost controlled contracts. But we'd need two of them to fill the massive holes at the SF and the PF spot, so that limits us even more.

McD Pacers can add the FRP. Pushes into low 20’s.

I don’t understand this statement. McDermott makes $7.3m so he can salary match up to $12.3m. He can’t be combined with the TPE to acquire a $20m-ish salary.

No one said combine with TPE. Combine him with the draft pick salary. Which will be like 8 or 9mil depending on where it falls. Either do they agreed upon draft day but traded when draft pick counts) see Love trade) or pacers find trade partner later on. Even add in other filler and Pacers can land something high 20’s.