NBA Trade Thread

RastaBull · Post #1281 » by **RastaBull** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:25 pm

What if the NETS wanted Zach LaVine this summer? What would we demand

Dinwiddie + LeVert + FRP ?

If Nets fall out of playoffs and that's a lotto pick, is that enough? I feel like we could also pry Jarret Allen.

Zach Lavine isn't just a good player, his contract fits BEAUTIFULLY for a team like Nets with Durant and Irving making a combined 72+ million next two years.

LeVert is a year older. He's never gonna have the ceiling that LaVine has (but a least he also has a capital V in his name

). He has a reasonable contract for his current level of play that goes through 2023 (the 16-18 mil is probably market value or just above) ... but it could really look like a steal if he progresses more each year (would understand others' hesitation because his efficiency was piss poor start of year and then injuries .. but he's gonna get lots of burn to evaluate rest of season). He is a little more versatile, and his impact is across more elements of the game; meaning he could be paired up with a variety of different type of stars (a dominate post big, star 3P shooters, dominate driving wings, etc.)

We swing some other trades and clear some more cap space going into 2021 and can maybe swing something really big: Giannis??? if Bucks can break through in playoffs ... Thiannis is RFA in 2021! Kostas will probably be available! But also eyes on Oladipo or Gobert, then RFA rookie deals like Tatum/Mitchell/Bam/JohnCollins/DevonteGraham

Dinwiddie is the PG we haven't seen on this team since Thibs years. Not a star, but he is a scorer from PG, he's always struck me as a high IQ, good decision maker. We'd only have him for next year at just 11 mil; he'd surly opt out of player option in 2021 and could cost pretty penny to bring back ... and I'm not sure he'd be worth the price, depending on all the other possible available options in 2021, but we'd have rights to him if it makes any difference going over cap.

Allen is one year and then his QO in 2021. He could command a decent contract with all the money thrown around that offseason, and being a decent blend of old/new big man elements. We'd have one year of Carter/Lauri/Allen .. then Allen and Lauri hit the market and we'd have choices on who to keep (or trade early season for assets and use open cap space on star).

Enter 2021 with LeVert, WCJ, Coby, two FRP from 2020 (+Gafford and Hutch), and a whole lot of cap space? (probably spend a chunk of that cap on at least on of Dinwiddie/Lauri/Allen).

Oladipo/White/LeVert/Giannis/WCJ
2020/Vet/Hutch/2020/Gafford

Or just keep LaVine and have the same/similar cap space in 2021 haha

sco · Post #1282 » by **sco** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:51 pm

RastaBull wrote:What if the NETS wanted Zach LaVine this summer? What would we demand

Dinwiddie + LeVert + FRP ?

If Nets fall out of playoffs and that's a lotto pick, is that enough? I feel like we could also pry Jarret Allen.

Zach Lavine isn't just a good player, his contract fits BEAUTIFULLY for a team like Nets with Durant and Irving making a combined 72+ million next two years.

LeVert is a year older. He's never gonna have the ceiling that LaVine has (but a least he also has a capital V in his name ). He has a reasonable contract for his current level of play that goes through 2023 (the 16-18 mil is probably market value or just above) ... but it could really look like a steal if he progresses more each year (would understand others' hesitation because his efficiency was piss poor start of year and then injuries .. but he's gonna get lots of burn to evaluate rest of season). He is a little more versatile, and his impact is across more elements of the game; meaning he could be paired up with a variety of different type of stars (a dominate post big, star 3P shooters, dominate driving wings, etc.)

We swing some other trades and clear some more cap space going into 2021 and can maybe swing something really big: Giannis??? if Bucks can break through in playoffs ... Thiannis is RFA in 2021! Kostas will probably be available! But also eyes on Oladipo or Gobert, then RFA rookie deals like Tatum/Mitchell/Bam/JohnCollins/DevonteGraham

Dinwiddie is the PG we haven't seen on this team since Thibs years. Not a star, but he is a scorer from PG, he's always struck me as a high IQ, good decision maker. We'd only have him for next year at just 11 mil; he'd surly opt out of player option in 2021 and could cost pretty penny to bring back ... and I'm not sure he'd be worth the price, depending on all the other possible available options in 2021, but we'd have rights to him if it makes any difference going over cap.

Allen is one year and then his QO in 2021. He could command a decent contract with all the money thrown around that offseason, and being a decent blend of old/new big man elements. We'd have one year of Carter/Lauri/Allen .. then Allen and Lauri hit the market and we'd have choices on who to keep (or trade early season for assets and use open cap space on star).

Enter 2021 with LeVert, WCJ, Coby, two FRP from 2020 (+Gafford and Hutch), and a whole lot of cap space? (probably spend a chunk of that cap on at least on of Dinwiddie/Lauri/Allen).

Oladipo/White/LeVert/Giannis/WCJ
2020/Vet/Hutch/2020/Gafford

Or just keep LaVine and have the same/similar cap space in 2021 haha

Was there some speculation on this?

The better fit for Nets would be Lauri. Lauri for Levert would make more sense, IMO.

GameBredAPBT · Post #1283 » by **GameBredAPBT** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:55 pm

I dunno, I’m keeping & developing Coby White going forward instead of Markkanen. I realize the intangibles Markkanen has on paper, but we watch him play, and we know what a stiff, injury prone athlete he is. He isn’t a good shooter, he can’t stay on the court, he isn’t good in transition, etc. he’s just tall, but his wingspan sucks, so it doesn’t seem to matter much. The game just looks difficult for him

White is going to be a very good player. You can see when you watch him that once he gets timing & pace down, he’ll be Golden. Which is a great sign. He’s just going too fast right now but that will change, and his shot will improve, as will everything else, once he learns to slow it down

I said the Bulls were tanking the rest of the season out & I still stand by it. Why? I don’t think they know what else to do right now until the new GM is hired. Sad as that is

My question is what do they do if they get the #1 pick. No ones giving up anything of value this year unfortunately. So, do they gamble on wiseman? If they draft Ball, what do they do with Lavine?

Jiipee84 · Post #1284 » by **Jiipee84** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:48 am

samwana wrote:
Jiipee84 wrote:Finnish sport magazine named urheilulehti speculated with Lauri's Bulls future in their newest number this week.
There was some trade proposals on Lauri what Bulls could consider.

Urheilulehti also interviewed Kristian Palotie who's Finnish basketball coach and NBA commentator.
Palotie said Bulls have failed with Lauri and Lauri hasn't shown any development in 2,5 yrs and in Palotie's opinion it's all about Bulls. Palotie also said Lauri should demand a trade and leave from Bulls.

Here are those trade proposals.

Trade 1
Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen, Kris Dunn,Otto Porter and Cristiano Felicio to San Antonio Spurs.
San Antonio Spurs trades Demar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge to Chicago Bulls.

Trade 2
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen and Cristiano Felicio to Phoenix Suns.
Phoenix Suns trades Kelly Oubre and Cheick Diallo to Chicago Bulls.

Trade 3
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to Golden State Warriors
Golden State Warriors trades 2020 1st round pick and 2022 TOP14 protected 1st round pick to Chicago Bulls.
Because Warriors 2020 1st round pick will likely be TOP5 Bulls can ask Warriors draft a player who fits Bulls needs.
This trade would be possible July 2020.

Trade 4
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to Boston Celtics.
Boston Celtics trades Romeo Langford, Grant Williams and Memphis 2020 1st round pick to Chicago Bulls.

Trade 5
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to Oklahoma City Thunder.
Oklahoma City Thunder trades future 1st round pick to Chicago Bulls
Because Oklahoma City Thunder has plenty future 1st picks Bulls can get those so many as needed.

Trade 6
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to New York Knicks
New York Knicks trades Julius Randle and extra draft picks to Chicago Bulls.

If you were Bulls GM which one / which ones of these trades would be good to Bulls.
Tell what you think.
I think if we really going to change up FO and coach, I want our next coach to have a chance with Lauri.

Lauri still has potential and he has had the worst coaches (and FO) over his career. I'd love to see what a real HC can do with him, before another franchise runs away with him. This is one fact I agree with Paxson, we don't know what we have yet. It has everything to do with our toxic environment he created though.

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It would be smart to give new head coach try with Lauri.
And if it won't work then new GM can trade Lauri if he finds good deal.

But that what comes those management staff changes i'm very skeptic with them.
Because it'll be lousy idea to fire only Gar Forman and not fire John Paxson too.
Paxson needs to go same time with Forman and Boylen that's a fact and nothing won't change that.

I'm sure if Paxson stays nothing won't change for real.
Paxson is as guilty as Gar Forman this toxic situation where bulls is now.

So if Reisndorfs are doing real and serious changes then it has to mean firings of Gar Forman, John Paxson and Jim Boylen.
This clown circus needs to end immediately after this season not later.

drosereturn · Post #1285 » by **drosereturn** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:29 am

sco wrote:
RastaBull wrote:What if the NETS wanted Zach LaVine this summer? What would we demand

Dinwiddie + LeVert + FRP ?

Or just keep LaVine and have the same/similar cap space in 2021 haha

Was there some speculation on this?

The better fit for Nets would be Lauri. Lauri for Levert would make more sense, IMO.

Nets would only want Lavine since Din, Levert overlaps too much for them and dont want to pay them 30+ which is guaranteed.
Remember Kyrie and Durant are playing full time next yr which means they need a full time sg.

The Bulls desperately need a starting pg after White's failure who is more of a Lavine replacement and Levert can fill the starting spot in the meantime and those 2 can have open competition next yr.
A first rounder would have to be added for salary matching but the Bulls can compensate with 2nd rounders.

drosereturn · Post #1286 » by **drosereturn** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:34 am

Dan Z wrote:
Jiipee84 wrote:Finnish sport magazine named urheilulehti speculated with Lauri's Bulls future in their newest number this week.
There was some trade proposals on Lauri what Bulls could consider.

Urheilulehti also interviewed Kristian Palotie who's Finnish basketball coach and NBA commentator.
Palotie said Bulls have failed with Lauri and Lauri hasn't shown any development in 2,5 yrs and in Palotie's opinion it's all about Bulls. Palotie also said Lauri should demand a trade and leave from Bulls.

Here are those trade proposals.

Trade 5
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to Oklahoma City Thunder.
Oklahoma City Thunder trades future 1st round pick to Chicago Bulls
Because Oklahoma City Thunder has plenty future 1st picks Bulls can get those so many as needed.

If you were Bulls GM which one / which ones of these trades would be good to Bulls.
Tell what you think.

Trade 5: Depends on the picks.

Trade 5 only draws me interest if they can offer most of those picks.
I dont even know how many they can even offer but I would want the unprotected LA ones and a late one from Houston.

RastaBull · Post #1287 » by **RastaBull** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:42 am

Showtime23 wrote:
sco wrote:
RastaBull wrote:What if the NETS wanted Zach LaVine this summer? What would we demand

Dinwiddie + LeVert + FRP ?

Or just keep LaVine and have the same/similar cap space in 2021 haha

Was there some speculation on this?

The better fit for Nets would be Lauri. Lauri for Levert would make more sense, IMO.

Nets would only want Lavine since Din, Levert overlaps too much for them and dont want to pay them 30+ which is guaranteed.
Remember Kyrie and Durant are playing full time next yr which means they need a full time sg.

The Bulls desperately need a starting pg after White's failure who is more of a Lavine replacement and Levert can fill the starting spot in the meantime and those 2 can have open competition next yr.
A first rounder would have to be added for salary matching but the Bulls can compensate with 2nd rounders.

There wasn't speculation about Bulls. But there is a lot of talk about the Nets this offseason consolidating Dinwiddie/LeVert/Allen for a third superstar if possible. It's a pretty great position for them since all three of those guys are very quality ... and if they do drop out of playoffs now with Kyrie out, 1) Dinwiddie and LeVert get much more run to show off and 2) It adds a FRP in the lotto they can trade to help get a better star.

I was seriously just looking around at rosters and team situation trying to imagine where they could pick off someone of that kind of quality. Philly maybe? I highly doubt Philly would trade Embiid to a legit East competitor like Durant's Nets though. Spurs? DeRozan doesn't fit great with Durant and Kyrie (doesn't add spacing and plays with ball in hands too much).

Ultimately, LaVine would seriously make perfect sense as a target for Nets. He does fit really really nicely at their potential whole at SG between Kyrie and Durant. I'd expect them to get a really strong vet wing defender. But LaVine is GREAT spacing, can play off ball and drill shots, would make a serious third threat (it's kind of what many here say he needs to be in terms of pecking order). And his salary is PERFECT with two full years of control at a steal of a price.

LeVert's salary by offseason would be almost same as LaVines. And with Dinwiddie another 11 mil, we'd actually have to throw additional salary at them. Felicio would fit nicely :-D

(no real need to offload Felcio this offseason with just 1 more year on him though). Could just trade out Satoransky to be Nets back-up.

Dinwiddie/LeVert/Porter/Lauri/WCJ
White/Hutch/Young/Allen/Gafford+2 1sts

Run with that in 2020, make some trade for late 1sts at trade deadline (Dinwiddie could get a solid first from a playoff team, same for Young and maybe Allen). Then go into 2021 with LeVert/WCJ/White/Hutch/Gafford as the depth and enough salary cap to sign two maxs and then some.

That's a decent rebuild pathway if you have to get rid of LaVine.

GameBredAPBT · Post #1288 » by **GameBredAPBT** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:56 am

Lol @ speaking about the nets like they have some bright future. They shot themselves in the foot. Kevin Durant is done. Does Irving even play anymore? Lol @“third superstar”. A blown Achilles is a blown Achilles.

drosereturn · Post #1289 » by **drosereturn** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:28 pm

RastaBull wrote:Ultimately, LaVine would seriously make perfect sense as a target for Nets. He does fit really really nicely at their potential whole at SG between Kyrie and Durant. I'd expect them to get a really strong vet wing defender. But LaVine is GREAT spacing, can play off ball and drill shots, would make a serious third threat (it's kind of what many here say he needs to be in terms of pecking order). And his salary is PERFECT with two full years of control at a steal of a price.

LeVert's salary by offseason would be almost same as LaVines. And with Dinwiddie another 11 mil, we'd actually have to throw additional salary at them. Felicio would fit nicely (no real need to offload Felcio this offseason with just 1 more year on him though). Could just trade out Satoransky to be Nets back-up.

Dinwiddie/LeVert/Porter/Lauri/WCJ
White/Hutch/Young/Allen/Gafford+2 1sts

Run with that in 2020, make some trade for late 1sts at trade deadline (Dinwiddie could get a solid first from a playoff team, same for Young and maybe Allen). Then go into 2021 with LeVert/WCJ/White/Hutch/Gafford as the depth and enough salary cap to sign two maxs and then some.

That's a decent rebuild pathway if you have to get rid of LaVine.

Lavine is like a dream fit for Nets and Sixers where they are a piece away from winning it all.
Levert and Din will be very expensive to the point Nets will lose pretty much everyone besides those guys starting next yr.
It allows them unload unproven guy in Levert and someone that might cost close to 20 in Din.
Basically, get the best player consolidating while saving like at least 10mil for 2 years which is a huge diff for a contending team.

A losing team like the Bulls needs more depth and slow down the process and a 2 for 1 makes more sense in that those 2 arent that inferior to Lavine's talent. Its just that they were all similar caliber but Lavine hit his peak faster on a 1 man team.

Kazuya10 · Post #1290 » by **Kazuya10** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:15 pm

What about bringing in Lance??

Sure it doesn't help our spacing but it's helps our need for a wing, shot creation and defense.

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WindyCityBorn · Post #1291 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:52 am

Kazuya10 wrote:What about bringing in Lance??

Sure it doesn't help our spacing but it's helps our need for a wing, shot creation and defense.

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Ew.

RakimAbdulJabar · Post #1292 » by **RakimAbdulJabar** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:03 am

Spoiler:

I'd do 1, 3 and 6

RakimAbdulJabar · Post #1293 » by **RakimAbdulJabar** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:07 am

RastaBull wrote:What if the NETS wanted Zach LaVine this summer? What would we demand

Dinwiddie + LeVert + FRP ?

If Nets fall out of playoffs and that's a lotto pick, is that enough? I feel like we could also pry Jarret Allen.

Zach Lavine isn't just a good player, his contract fits BEAUTIFULLY for a team like Nets with Durant and Irving making a combined 72+ million next two years.

LeVert is a year older. He's never gonna have the ceiling that LaVine has (but a least he also has a capital V in his name ). He has a reasonable contract for his current level of play that goes through 2023 (the 16-18 mil is probably market value or just above) ... but it could really look like a steal if he progresses more each year (would understand others' hesitation because his efficiency was piss poor start of year and then injuries .. but he's gonna get lots of burn to evaluate rest of season). He is a little more versatile, and his impact is across more elements of the game; meaning he could be paired up with a variety of different type of stars (a dominate post big, star 3P shooters, dominate driving wings, etc.)

We swing some other trades and clear some more cap space going into 2021 and can maybe swing something really big: Giannis??? if Bucks can break through in playoffs ... Thiannis is RFA in 2021! Kostas will probably be available! But also eyes on Oladipo or Gobert, then RFA rookie deals like Tatum/Mitchell/Bam/JohnCollins/DevonteGraham

Dinwiddie is the PG we haven't seen on this team since Thibs years. Not a star, but he is a scorer from PG, he's always struck me as a high IQ, good decision maker. We'd only have him for next year at just 11 mil; he'd surly opt out of player option in 2021 and could cost pretty penny to bring back ... and I'm not sure he'd be worth the price, depending on all the other possible available options in 2021, but we'd have rights to him if it makes any difference going over cap.

Allen is one year and then his QO in 2021. He could command a decent contract with all the money thrown around that offseason, and being a decent blend of old/new big man elements. We'd have one year of Carter/Lauri/Allen .. then Allen and Lauri hit the market and we'd have choices on who to keep (or trade early season for assets and use open cap space on star).

Enter 2021 with LeVert, WCJ, Coby, two FRP from 2020 (+Gafford and Hutch), and a whole lot of cap space? (probably spend a chunk of that cap on at least on of Dinwiddie/Lauri/Allen).

Oladipo/White/LeVert/Giannis/WCJ
2020/Vet/Hutch/2020/Gafford

Or just keep LaVine and have the same/similar cap space in 2021 haha

If the Bulls could combine that pick from the Nets with their own pick and use them in a trade to get out of a bad contract then I'd be all for it as I'm a fan of both Dinwiddie and LeVert. Allen I've found to be disappointing lately as he's not putting in the effort that made me take notice of him initially.

I'd also prefer it if they'd take Lauri and someone else, but if they only wanted Zach then yes I'd do that deal as you're getting 2 quality starters in return

Onibuh · Post #1294 » by **Onibuh** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:18 am

Jiipee84 wrote:Finnish sport magazine named urheilulehti speculated with Lauri's Bulls future in their newest number this week.
There was some trade proposals on Lauri what Bulls could consider.

Urheilulehti also interviewed Kristian Palotie who's Finnish basketball coach and NBA commentator.
Palotie said Bulls have failed with Lauri and Lauri hasn't shown any development in 2,5 yrs and in Palotie's opinion it's all about Bulls. Palotie also said Lauri should demand a trade and leave from Bulls.

Here are those trade proposals.

Trade 1
Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen, Kris Dunn,Otto Porter and Cristiano Felicio to San Antonio Spurs.
San Antonio Spurs trades Demar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge to Chicago Bulls.

Trade 2
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen and Cristiano Felicio to Phoenix Suns.
Phoenix Suns trades Kelly Oubre and Cheick Diallo to Chicago Bulls.

Trade 3
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to Golden State Warriors
Golden State Warriors trades 2020 1st round pick and 2022 TOP14 protected 1st round pick to Chicago Bulls.
Because Warriors 2020 1st round pick will likely be TOP5 Bulls can ask Warriors draft a player who fits Bulls needs.
This trade would be possible July 2020.

Trade 4
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to Boston Celtics.
Boston Celtics trades Romeo Langford, Grant Williams and Memphis 2020 1st round pick to Chicago Bulls.

Trade 5
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to Oklahoma City Thunder.
Oklahoma City Thunder trades future 1st round pick to Chicago Bulls
Because Oklahoma City Thunder has plenty future 1st picks Bulls can get those so many as needed.

Trade 6
Chicago Bulls trades Lauri Markkanen to New York Knicks
New York Knicks trades Julius Randle and extra draft picks to Chicago Bulls.

If you were Bulls GM which one / which ones of these trades would be good to Bulls.
Tell what you think.

1. I don't think this is even possible.
2. Easy yes for me
3. If 2022 will be Top10 protected it's easy yes for me
4. Don't really like it, there could be something better.
5. Depending on the pick and if it's multiple picks.
6. Depending on the extra draft picks to Chicago.

cedric76 · Post #1295 » by **cedric76** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:01 pm

Aaron gordon +aminu for otto porter?

sco · Post #1296 » by **sco** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:09 pm

cedric76 wrote:Aaron gordon +aminu for otto porter?

Good question - if Otto ops in, can we immediately trade him?

That said, Gordon has shown himself to be a PF in today's NBA.

scottyg · Post #1297 » by **scottyg** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:43 pm

I think the bulls should try and trade for Demar Derozan!
I Believe if the bulls move Coby White to starting PG and Demar to starting SF that the bulls will have enough spacing to make it work, so I came up with couple different trades to make something work!

trade # 1

BULLS GET - Derozan

SPURS GET - Otto Porter + future 2nd rd pick

Trade # 2
Bulls get- Demar Derozan

Spurs get - Thad Young + Tomas Satoransky

Trade # 3
Bulls get- Derozan + Aldridge

Spurs get - Otto Porter + Daniel Gafford + Thad Young
+ Christiano Felicio + 2019 1st rd draft pick ( top 10 protected)

My personal fav is the trade # 3 with Aldridge and Derozan so the bulls can have 4 players around Derozan than can shoot the Ball from 3 and give Lavine some real players to play with, u can either start Markannen or Carter depending on matchup !

Red8911 · Post #1298 » by **Red8911** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:01 pm

Always wanted Derozen, he would make this team a lot better but I think he has a player option to become a free agent this summer. If he opts out then he should be a top target and over pay if you have to.

PaKii94 · Post #1299 » by **PaKii94** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:09 pm

This belongs in the trade thread

Indomitable · Post #1300 » by **Indomitable** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:16 pm

scottyg wrote:I think the bulls should try and trade for Demar Derozan!
I Believe if the bulls move Coby White to starting PG and Demar to starting SF that the bulls will have enough spacing to make it work, so I came up with couple different trades to make something work!

trade # 1

BULLS GET - Derozan

SPURS GET - Otto Porter + future 2nd rd pick

Trade # 2
Bulls get- Demar Derozan

Spurs get - Thad Young + Tomas Satoransky

Trade # 3
Bulls get- Derozan + Aldridge

Spurs get - Otto Porter + Daniel Gafford + Thad Young
+ Christiano Felicio + 2019 1st rd draft pick ( top 10 protected)

My personal fav is the trade # 3 with Aldridge and Derozan so the bulls can have 4 players around Derozan than can shoot the Ball from 3 and give Lavine some real players to play with, u can either start Markannen or Carter depending on matchup !

I do not think so.