Killian Hayes, most complete PG of the 2020 class

[GameBredAPBT]

Poor man’s Ricky Rubio. No thanks. Imagine taking this kid in the high lottery LOL. This draft really sucks. If I had to choose between this kid & Haliburton, even with Halliburton’s injury issues & the fact that he plays for a crap school, I’m taking him over Hayes

Matter of fact, if the Bulls get the #1 pick, I’m not even sure what they should do with it. They’ll have to use it, as no one is forking over anything of value for a top pick in this draft. But I dunno who they take. Trade LaVine & nab Ball? Trade Carter Jr/Markkanen & nab Wiseman?

[916fan]

This PG class is going to be great. Been waiting for a 2009 class again.

2009 happened in 2017.. Fultz, Lonzo, Fox, Ntilikina, and DSJ. Unfortunately the only non-disappointment has been Fox.

[King Ken]

This PG class is going to be great. Been waiting for a 2009 class again.

2009 happened in 2017.. Fultz, Lonzo, Fox, Ntilikina, and DSJ. Unfortunately the only non-disappointment has been Fox.

Naw, that class had just 5 guys. This class PGs are good deep and good like 2009. You gonna have busts but its depth that matters.

[oddity]

Poor man’s Ricky Rubio. No thanks. Imagine taking this kid in the high lottery LOL. This draft really sucks. If I had to choose between this kid & Haliburton, even with Halliburton’s injury issues & the fact that he plays for a crap school, I’m taking him over Hayes

Matter of fact, if the Bulls get the #1 pick, I’m not even sure what they should do with it. They’ll have to use it, as no one is forking over anything of value for a top pick in this draft. But I dunno who they take. Trade LaVine & nab Ball? Trade Carter Jr/Markkanen & nab Wiseman?

Ricky can't shoot like Killian can already.

[GameBredAPBT]

Poor man’s Ricky Rubio. No thanks. Imagine taking this kid in the high lottery LOL. This draft really sucks. If I had to choose between this kid & Haliburton, even with Halliburton’s injury issues & the fact that he plays for a crap school, I’m taking him over Hayes

Matter of fact, if the Bulls get the #1 pick, I’m not even sure what they should do with it. They’ll have to use it, as no one is forking over anything of value for a top pick in this draft. But I dunno who they take. Trade LaVine & nab Ball? Trade Carter Jr/Markkanen & nab Wiseman?

Ricky can't shoot like Killian can already.

Ehh, most PGs can shoot in 2019. In all other areas, he looks like a homeless persons Rubio. He’s going to get absolutely torched on defense as well

I think he’ll be a serviceable second unit PG, but not much else. In a good draft, he would be picked in the 20s/30s

[GameBredAPBT]

This PG class is going to be great. Been waiting for a 2009 class again.

2009 happened in 2017.. Fultz, Lonzo, Fox, Ntilikina, and DSJ. Unfortunately the only non-disappointment has been Fox.

Naw, that class had just 5 guys. This class PGs are good deep and good like 2009. You gonna have busts but its depth that matters.

Wow that’s high praise. You really think so? Haliburton & Ball look like the only needle movers from what I’ve seen. Otherwise they all look like second unit players

What’s your thought on Wiseman?

[916fan]

This PG class is going to be great. Been waiting for a 2009 class again.

2009 happened in 2017.. Fultz, Lonzo, Fox, Ntilikina, and DSJ. Unfortunately the only non-disappointment has been Fox.

Naw, that class had just 5 guys. This class PGs are good deep and good like 2009. You gonna have busts but its depth that matters.

I think my problem is that I don't see a lot of top flight PG prospects like 09. But holy wow, I don't think anything could ever compare to 2009.

#3 James Harden (took him till Houston to become a PG)
#4 Tyreke Evans
#5 Ricky Rubio
#6 Jonny Flynn
#7 Steph Curry
#10 Brandon Jennings
#17 Jrue Holiday
#18 Ty Lawson
#19 Jeff Teague
#20 Eric Maynor
#21 Darren Collison
#25 Rodrigue Beaubois
#29 Toney Douglas
#34 Sergio Llull
#42 Patrick Beverly
#45 Nick Calathes
#52 AJ Price
#53 Nando de Colo
#55 Patty Mills
#58 Lester Hudson

[King Ken]

2009 happened in 2017.. Fultz, Lonzo, Fox, Ntilikina, and DSJ. Unfortunately the only non-disappointment has been Fox.

Naw, that class had just 5 guys. This class PGs are good deep and good like 2009. You gonna have busts but its depth that matters.

I think my problem is that I don't see a lot of top flight PG prospects like 09. But holy wow, I don't think anything could ever compare to 2009.

#3 James Harden (took him till Houston to become a PG)
#4 Tyreke Evans
#5 Ricky Rubio
#6 Jonny Flynn
#7 Steph Curry
#10 Brandon Jennings
#17 Jrue Holiday
#18 Ty Lawson
#19 Jeff Teague
#20 Eric Maynor
#21 Darren Collison
#25 Rodrigue Beaubois
#29 Toney Douglas
#34 Sergio Llull
#42 Patrick Beverly
#45 Nick Calathes
#52 AJ Price
#53 Nando de Colo
#55 Patty Mills
#58 Lester Hudson

For that era, Harden was clearly seen as a SG and it wasn't a discussion at that time. Let's not use how we see the guys today how we saw them then. The comparisons for Harden at that time were Bernard King and Mitch Richmond. Same for Toney Douglas.

Evans was seen as a SG who was a playmaker. Not really the way we seen a PG.

Other then that, it was a loaded PG class but even at that time, it wasn't anyone people felt would be superstars. Some liked Rubio. Some liked Curry but they wasn't surefire superstars as prospects. It was a hell of a PG class. One that I find to be comparable from a prospect level to this one. There is a great chance we never get a Steph Curry from this class but from a NBA impact standpoint. This draft is PG loaded all the way to the undrafted types. That's very similar to 2009. Just a stacked class.

Steph Curry became an outlier. You can't predict that. It just happens when the cards stack up correctly and the player puts in the work and it just works out.

[King Ken]

2009 happened in 2017.. Fultz, Lonzo, Fox, Ntilikina, and DSJ. Unfortunately the only non-disappointment has been Fox.

Naw, that class had just 5 guys. This class PGs are good deep and good like 2009. You gonna have busts but its depth that matters.

Wow that’s high praise. You really think so? Haliburton & Ball look like the only needle movers from what I’ve seen. Otherwise they all look like second unit players

What’s your thought on Wiseman?

I see a lot of potential top of the rotation and core guys at that position long term. When it comes to needle movers. I wasn't sold that any of the PGs in that class were at that time. The only needle mover in that class was Blake Griffin as a prospect. You can't look at what they became and put that on these guys. I am just talking about the talent and the depth in terms of the talent for the position.

[The-Power]

Ehh, most PGs can shoot in 2019. In all other areas, he looks like a homeless persons Rubio. He’s going to get absolutely torched on defense as well

Rubio is an elite defensive PG. So how does he compare to Rubio when he can shoot better but not defend? Is it because they are both European? Anyway, Hayes is actually a pretty good defender for his age and has good size and strength for a PG. He's better defensively than most on-ball prospects, so I strongly disagree with your statement.

[oddity]

Poor man’s Ricky Rubio. No thanks. Imagine taking this kid in the high lottery LOL. This draft really sucks. If I had to choose between this kid & Haliburton, even with Halliburton’s injury issues & the fact that he plays for a crap school, I’m taking him over Hayes

Matter of fact, if the Bulls get the #1 pick, I’m not even sure what they should do with it. They’ll have to use it, as no one is forking over anything of value for a top pick in this draft. But I dunno who they take. Trade LaVine & nab Ball? Trade Carter Jr/Markkanen & nab Wiseman?

Ricky can't shoot like Killian can already.

Ehh, most PGs can shoot in 2019. In all other areas, he looks like a homeless persons Rubio. He’s going to get absolutely torched on defense as well

I think he’ll be a serviceable second unit PG, but not much else. In a good draft, he would be picked in the 20s/30s

Hayes also seems to be able to finish around the basket and in general score more efficiently than Rubio. Yeah, I really don't think these players are all that similar.

[No-Man]

Harden is not a PG, he is at his best defending PFs

Beaubois, Douglas and de Colo are all straight up 2s

[No-Man]

Ehh, most PGs can shoot in 2019. In all other areas, he looks like a homeless persons Rubio. He’s going to get absolutely torched on defense as well

Rubio is an elite defensive PG. So how does he compare to Rubio when he can shoot better but not defend? Is it because they are both European? Anyway, Hayes is actually a pretty good defender for his age and has good size and strength for a PG. He's better defensively than most on-ball prospects, so I strongly disagree with your statement.

Hayes is a good team defender with good reads and size, but has bad quicks and balance, he is def gonna get roasted in some bad 1on1 match-ups (that ain't that important though)

[The-Power]

Ehh, most PGs can shoot in 2019. In all other areas, he looks like a homeless persons Rubio. He’s going to get absolutely torched on defense as well

Rubio is an elite defensive PG. So how does he compare to Rubio when he can shoot better but not defend? Is it because they are both European? Anyway, Hayes is actually a pretty good defender for his age and has good size and strength for a PG. He's better defensively than most on-ball prospects, so I strongly disagree with your statement.

Hayes is a good team defender with good reads and size, but has bad quicks and balance, he is def gonna get roasted in some bad 1on1 match-ups (that ain't that important though)

Yeah, he's not a perfect defender by any means. Not a lockdown-defender due to being a bit heavy-footed. But he competes, makes good reads, sufficiently quick hands and good strength for a Guard. When I watched him live and I came away especially impressed with his defense, as he really went after it and created defensive events with few mistakes. You don't draft him for his defense but I have zero concerns that he'll be ‘torched’ on defense any more than your average Guard.

[TurboTitan]

Poor man’s Ricky Rubio. No thanks. Imagine taking this kid in the high lottery LOL. This draft really sucks. If I had to choose between this kid & Haliburton, even with Halliburton’s injury issues & the fact that he plays for a crap school, I’m taking him over Hayes

Matter of fact, if the Bulls get the #1 pick, I’m not even sure what they should do with it. They’ll have to use it, as no one is forking over anything of value for a top pick in this draft. But I dunno who they take. Trade LaVine & nab Ball? Trade Carter Jr/Markkanen & nab Wiseman?

LOL you just proved you never watched him on one reply, awful comparison. Get off youtube

[DrCoach]

Is he really 6'5?

https://ratiopharmulm.com/team/kader/ Looking at the team photo I'm not so sure about it. Number 1 next to him is Tyler Harvey and he was measured at 6'2,75 without shoes at the combine. Number 6 and 17 are listed as 1.84m and 1.91m without shoes.

U do know that 6’2, 75 without shoes is probably 6’4 or better with shoes, right?

[DrCoach]

Poor man’s Ricky Rubio. No thanks. Imagine taking this kid in the high lottery LOL. This draft really sucks. If I had to choose between this kid & Haliburton, even with Halliburton’s injury issues & the fact that he plays for a crap school, I’m taking him over Hayes

Matter of fact, if the Bulls get the #1 pick, I’m not even sure what they should do with it. They’ll have to use it, as no one is forking over anything of value for a top pick in this draft. But I dunno who they take. Trade LaVine & nab Ball? Trade Carter Jr/Markkanen & nab Wiseman?

Your assessment of players values and trade scenarios is just plain awful

[DaddyCool19]

Is he really 6'5?

https://ratiopharmulm.com/team/kader/ Looking at the team photo I'm not so sure about it. Number 1 next to him is Tyler Harvey and he was measured at 6'2,75 without shoes at the combine. Number 6 and 17 are listed as 1.84m and 1.91m without shoes.

U do know that 6’2, 75 without shoes is probably 6’4 or better with shoes, right?

Europeans tend to list their heights without shoes. Looks like Hayes added like 1,5 inchs to his height.

[Ruzious]

Is he really 6'5?

https://ratiopharmulm.com/team/kader/ Looking at the team photo I'm not so sure about it. Number 1 next to him is Tyler Harvey and he was measured at 6'2,75 without shoes at the combine. Number 6 and 17 are listed as 1.84m and 1.91m without shoes.

U do know that 6’2, 75 without shoes is probably 6’4 or better with shoes, right?

Europeans tend to list their heights without shoes. Looks like Hayes added like 1,5 inchs to his height.

I think he's a good 6'5 with shoes. It's easy to draw wrong conclusions using 1 picture. It could be a bit slanted, and it looks like Hayes is standing closer to the front than Harvey.

[DrCoach]

Is he really 6'5?

https://ratiopharmulm.com/team/kader/ Looking at the team photo I'm not so sure about it. Number 1 next to him is Tyler Harvey and he was measured at 6'2,75 without shoes at the combine. Number 6 and 17 are listed as 1.84m and 1.91m without shoes.

U do know that 6’2, 75 without shoes is probably 6’4 or better with shoes, right?

Europeans tend to list their heights without shoes. Looks like Hayes added like 1,5 inchs to his height.

And? NBA does not. He’s clearly taller than the 6’3 guy, which makes him easily 6’5 by NBA standards