Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

[sfernald]

Zion making so many of his doubters on this GM board look like morons.

they're gonna slowly start disappearing

Not how it works. They'll multiply until he wins a ring and they won't go away until/unless he surpasses LeBron. This ain't an ordinary prospect, it's a GOAT level one. He'll never escape haters.

Oh man probably true.

[sfernald]

Hey also Melli was great last night, the 28 year old rookie had 7/8 from three.

[clyde21]

Naz Reid per36:

23ppg / 9rebs / 2asts on 42/36/75

[clyde21]

Terence Davis, Naz Reid and Lu Dort have been steals so far as UDFAs

[Marcus]

Naz Reid per36:

23ppg / 9rebs / 2asts on 42/36/75

never truly understood how he didn't get drafted. Thought for sure he'd be somebody that could be utilized in today's league with his size, nimble feet, passing, ball-handling, and jumper.

[The_Hater]

Yeah there shouldn't be any doubt that in a vacuum, Zion is far and away the best rookie.

He deserves the ROY IF the Pels get a playoff spot. Make the kid work for it

The difference in games played can’t be ignored, nor can a Memphis team that almost everyone predicted for 15th in the conference yet currently sits 8th.

I thought Embiid should have won the award over Brogdan despite the difference in games played, but this is very different, Morant has played at close to an all star level.

[Marcus]

Zion making so many of his doubters on this GM board look like morons.

rumor has it there are coaches outside of Nawlins petitioning to not allow Zion a full off-season to work on his game until the rest of the league is allowed adequate enough time to catch up. Silver has it under review at the moment.

[Smirk]

The difference in games played can’t be ignored

why not?

Who says how many games you have to play? What is the cutoff? 38 games? 41? 50?

If one guy plays 35ish games, get his team into playoff contention, and is far and away the best rookie...

Why wouldn't he be rookie of the year? Its nonsense.

[The_Hater]

The difference in games played can’t be ignored

why not?

Who says how many games you have to play? What is the cutoff? 38 games? 41? 50?

If one guy plays 35ish games, get his team into playoff contention, and is far and away the best rookie...

Why wouldn't he be rookie of the year? Its nonsense.

Because the number of games you play effects the total impact you’re having for your team. You can’t help your team win games if you’re not playing. And I don’t believe the difference in Zion’s impact/level of play and that of Morant have been great enough that we can give him the award based on playing half a season.

You said that he should win the award if NO makes the playoffs, so you obviously want to give him extra points for his positive effect on his team’s success yet you don’t want to subtract points for the 40 games he missed and NO struggled?

[Smirk]

The difference in games played can’t be ignored

why not?

Who says how many games you have to play? What is the cutoff? 38 games? 41? 50?

If one guy plays 35ish games, get his team into playoff contention, and is far and away the best rookie...

Why wouldn't he be rookie of the year? Its nonsense.

Because the number of games you play effects the total impact you’re having for your team. You can’t help your team win games if you’re not playing. And I don’t believe the difference in Zion’s impact/level of play and that of Morant have been great enough that we can give him the award based on playing half a season.

You said that he should win the award if NO makes the playoffs, so you obviously want to give him extra points for his positive effect on his team’s success yet you don’t want to subtract points for the 40 games he missed and NO struggled?

I said playoff contention. I think if Zion continues what he is doing the rest of the year, he should be rookie of the year. He's just better.

I think its pretty apparent that Memphis will have a hard time making the playoffs with their remaining schedule.

So what happens if neither Memphis nor New Orleans makes the playoffs and have similar records?

[clyde21]

Yeah there shouldn't be any doubt that in a vacuum, Zion is far and away the best rookie.

He deserves the ROY IF the Pels get a playoff spot. Make the kid work for it

The difference in games played can’t be ignored, nor can a Memphis team that almost everyone predicted for 15th in the conference yet currently sits 8th.

I thought Embiid should have won the award over Brogdan despite the difference in games played, but this is very different, Morant has played at close to an all star level.

ROTY is different than MVP...games played matters a lot more for an award like MVP than ROTY

as long as we have an ample sample size, which we will, award should go to Zion. he's been that good.

and that's not a dig on Morant who's been amazing, it's no shame to lose out on the ROTY to the best prospect since LeBron.

[Duke4life831]

I think the standard was set (call it a bad one or not) with the Brogdon over Embiid win a few years back. Now with that said, I think Zion over comes the lack of games played issue if the Pels end up knocking Ja and the Griz out of the playoffs. There would just be way too much narrative to overcome for Ja.

Zion is also having a historic rookie season. Only 2 rookies have ever had a rookie season of at least 20ppg and at least 60 TS%. Zion is averaging more points and currently has a higher TS% than both guys. Here is an even crazier stat, Zion has the highest per 36 ppg stat of all time for a rookie that averaged at least 20ppg. Zion is currently at 29.3 points per 36, Wilt is right behind him at 29.2. We are currently talking about the highest volume rookie season per minute in the history of the NBA, while also being the most efficient high volume rookie season in the history of the NBA.

Add in he has almosth unheard of hype (pretty much equal to LeBron if not more since we have social media). And if he knocks Ja out of the playoffs.

If you add in those 3 things, I think it will be very hard to deny him ROY.

[The_Hater]

Yeah there shouldn't be any doubt that in a vacuum, Zion is far and away the best rookie.

He deserves the ROY IF the Pels get a playoff spot. Make the kid work for it

The difference in games played can’t be ignored, nor can a Memphis team that almost everyone predicted for 15th in the conference yet currently sits 8th.

I thought Embiid should have won the award over Brogdan despite the difference in games played, but this is very different, Morant has played at close to an all star level.

ROTY is different than MVP...games played matters a lot more for an award like MVP than ROTY

as long as we have an ample sample size, which we will, award should go to Zion. he's been that good.

and that's not a dig on Morant who's been amazing, it's no shame to lose out on the ROTY to the best prospect since LeBron.

I respect your argument, but different people are going to interpret the standards they set for each award differently.

I brought up the example of Embiid/Brogdan and how I felt Embiid should have won because he was so much better than anyone else I didn’t think the games played held as much weight. The gap in talent was enormous. I also feel Zion is the best rookie, but the gap between him an Morant hasn’t been nearly as great becuase a Morant has been so good himself. And I brought up the other factors that swing in Morant’s favor as well.

[Marcus]

didn't think Zion had a shot but the narrative is strong and there's a really good story in place if he does get it and Nawlins makes the 8th seed. Selfishly i almost don't want Ja to win it just to see what he does with that chip on his shoulder. I love how he takes everything on the court as a challenge. Anybody else see this duo turning into another Trae/Luka type of scenario going forward?

[clyde21]

The difference in games played can’t be ignored, nor can a Memphis team that almost everyone predicted for 15th in the conference yet currently sits 8th.

I thought Embiid should have won the award over Brogdan despite the difference in games played, but this is very different, Morant has played at close to an all star level.

ROTY is different than MVP...games played matters a lot more for an award like MVP than ROTY

as long as we have an ample sample size, which we will, award should go to Zion. he's been that good.

and that's not a dig on Morant who's been amazing, it's no shame to lose out on the ROTY to the best prospect since LeBron.

I respect your argument, but different people are going to interpret the standards they set for each award differently.

I brought up the example of Embiid/Brogdan and how I felt Embiid should have won because he was so much better than anyone else I didn’t think the games played held as much weight. The gap in talent was enormous. I also feel Zion is the best rookie, but the gap between him an Morant hasn’t been nearly as great becuase a Morant has been so good himself. And I brought up the other factors that swing in Morant’s favor as well.

yea it's all preference I guess, but Zion is having a historic rookie year so far, like top5 rookie year ever, that's hard to ignore.

[Colbinii]

Naz Reid per36:

23ppg / 9rebs / 2asts on 42/36/75

His defense last night on Jokic was very impressive. He had at least one possession where he poked and stole the ball when Joker tried putting it on the floor. He still has foul troubles you expect from a 20 year old but he has improved on that end already.

His last 6 he is at 18.8 mpg, 12.7/5.7/0.5 with 4 Fouls per game and good splits .466/.476/.857

I brought him up before in this thread but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a long NBA career. His name is also badass. The Minnesota broadcasters call him The Wizard of nAz.

[akhan786]

didn't think Zion had a shot but the narrative is strong and there's a really good story in place if he does get it and Nawlins makes the 8th seed. Selfishly i almost don't want Ja to win it just to see what he does with that chip on his shoulder. I love how he takes everything on the court as a challenge. Anybody else see this duo turning into another Trae/Luka type of scenario going forward?

I love both players. Zion is just the next generational prospect. Which is no slight on Ja who is likely the next superstar PG prospect.

Zion is historic and deserves the ROY (if he gets playoffs). I want Ja to have a chip on his shoulder. And I think it works better long term for both players cause now we will have a great Zion v Ja story that we desperately need.

Two kids from SC now putting on a show for the world.

[Ambrose]

If you can't even play half the games you don't deserve to win ROY. Especially when there is another very good rookie who will likely play 70+.

[The_Hater]

ROTY is different than MVP...games played matters a lot more for an award like MVP than ROTY

as long as we have an ample sample size, which we will, award should go to Zion. he's been that good.

and that's not a dig on Morant who's been amazing, it's no shame to lose out on the ROTY to the best prospect since LeBron.

I respect your argument, but different people are going to interpret the standards they set for each award differently.

I brought up the example of Embiid/Brogdan and how I felt Embiid should have won because he was so much better than anyone else I didn’t think the games played held as much weight. The gap in talent was enormous. I also feel Zion is the best rookie, but the gap between him an Morant hasn’t been nearly as great becuase a Morant has been so good himself. And I brought up the other factors that swing in Morant’s favor as well.

yea it's all preference I guess, but Zion is having a historic rookie year so far, like top5 rookie year ever, that's hard to ignore.

True but the sample size is still 13 games.

Say his season ends at 20 games, is he still the ROY iyo?

[clyde21]

I respect your argument, but different people are going to interpret the standards they set for each award differently.

I brought up the example of Embiid/Brogdan and how I felt Embiid should have won because he was so much better than anyone else I didn’t think the games played held as much weight. The gap in talent was enormous. I also feel Zion is the best rookie, but the gap between him an Morant hasn’t been nearly as great becuase a Morant has been so good himself. And I brought up the other factors that swing in Morant’s favor as well.

yea it's all preference I guess, but Zion is having a historic rookie year so far, like top5 rookie year ever, that's hard to ignore.

True but the sample size is still 13 games.

Say his season ends at 20 games, is he still the ROY iyo?

i guess that's on the lower side, i'm banking on him playing 35 which IMO is enough.