2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[spanishninja]

Its crazy that Carter was known as the Defensive back-up PG and Okobo was the Offensive backup PG. Im looking at the comparison between the two, and yes, Carter is still the defensive Bulldog......but also taken the offensive backup PG title away from Okobo. PER36 Shows them dead even in shot attempts (Around 9) and points (11), but Carters percentages are much much better. He's hitting 41% from the field where Okobo is at 39% (Not that huge of a difference), but Carter hits 42% of his 3's while Okobo hits just 35%.

Okobo should be good as gone once the season is over. He is not an answer to any NBA question. Just cut him and open up another roster space for us to roll the dice on another cheap guard. Guys like Okobo are a dime a dozen.

wow, didn't realize Carter's 3 has gone back up like that. for a while he was slumping.

Carter is effective as a back up combo guard. Even if he is having a down night shooting, you know you are going to get bull dog defense from him. He deserves to get Okobo's minutes. Okobo's big problem is that he does not know how to run an offense. He telegraphs passes, throws the ball away, and makes the wrong passes. He helps the other team more than ours when on the court.

The Suns are better by NOT playing Okobo. I would would play Carter as the primary backup guard, and then give Mikal a few minutes there too if necessary. Ty Jerome might get a look or two if the matchup allows it.

Okobo needs to sit except for garbage time. He should be done on this team.

I think with the injuries this season, we've been forced to rely on guys who couldn't be counted on consistently. In the case of Okobo, sometimes he ended up giving you something, but he was not supposed to be counted on as a long term solution. This sometimes hurt guys like Carter as well, which is a shame.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

wow, didn't realize Carter's 3 has gone back up like that. for a while he was slumping.

Carter is effective as a back up combo guard. Even if he is having a down night shooting, you know you are going to get bull dog defense from him. He deserves to get Okobo's minutes. Okobo's big problem is that he does not know how to run an offense. He telegraphs passes, throws the ball away, and makes the wrong passes. He helps the other team more than ours when on the court.

The Suns are better by NOT playing Okobo. I would would play Carter as the primary backup guard, and then give Mikal a few minutes there too if necessary. Ty Jerome might get a look or two if the matchup allows it.

Okobo needs to sit except for garbage time. He should be done on this team.

I think with the injuries this season, we've been forced to rely on guys who couldn't be counted on consistently. In the case of Okobo, sometimes he ended up giving you something, but he was not supposed to be counted on as a long term solution. This sometimes hurt guys like Carter as well, which is a shame.

When Okobo was doing well, he was essentially just not making mistakes - not turning it over, playing solid D. But it's not like he was actually producing out there. Wouldn't shoot. Didn't make plays or cause turnovers. Recently, he's added turnovers and missed shots to the equation. I've seen enough.

Carter, meanwhile, has continued to progress throughout the season, giving steady production of late even though he's being yanked and reinserted in the rotation to give other guys chances. The biggest thing is that three ball - he's become consistent. And since Ty hasn't figured it out yet, that makes him the only guard off our bench we can count on to give us something out there. So I think he's earned his spot next season. We need someone we can depend on, after all.

[darealjuice]

Wonder if we'll put together an offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic this offseason? Scoring, 3-point shooting, and playmaking are obvious needs for us off the bench, and we were reportedly showing interest in Luke Kennard at the trade deadline. He'd be a strong sixth man that could fill our back-up guard spots. We'd have to overpay to get him out of RFA, but it's not like we're landing a big fish anyways.

The rest of this season will show us how much of a priority power forward will be this offseason. Our current starting line-up has one of the best net ratings in the league without a traditional one, but you still need to be able to match-up with bigger teams. Not a big market, but Gallo, Bertans, and Grant would be solid options for us. We can also keep Frank as a back-up power forward if we decide to keep our current line-up and spend money elsewhere.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Wonder if we'll put together an offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic this offseason? Scoring, 3-point shooting, and playmaking are obvious needs for us off the bench, and we were reportedly showing interest in Luke Kennard at the trade deadline. He'd be a strong sixth man that could fill our back-up guard spots. We'd have to overpay to get him out of RFA, but it's not like we're landing a big fish anyways.

The rest of this season will show us how much of a priority power forward will be this offseason. Our current starting line-up has one of the best net ratings in the league without a traditional one, but you still need to be able to match-up with bigger teams. Not a big market, but Gallo, Bertans, and Grant would be solid options for us. We can also keep Frank as a back-up power forward if we decide to keep our current line-up and spend money elsewhere.

Bogdan wants to start, so I don't consider him an option.

As for PF, I'd love to see Saric put together more good games here down the stretch. If he can't get a starting gig, maybe he'd be willing to stick around here as our backup 4/5 on a reasonable deal. We don't need a starting 4 - just a 4 who is worthy of rotation minutes.

[Saberestar]

Wonder if we'll put together an offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic this offseason? Scoring, 3-point shooting, and playmaking are obvious needs for us off the bench, and we were reportedly showing interest in Luke Kennard at the trade deadline. He'd be a strong sixth man that could fill our back-up guard spots. We'd have to overpay to get him out of RFA, but it's not like we're landing a big fish anyways.

The rest of this season will show us how much of a priority power forward will be this offseason. Our current starting line-up has one of the best net ratings in the league without a traditional one, but you still need to be able to match-up with bigger teams. Not a big market, but Gallo, Bertans, and Grant would be solid options for us. We can also keep Frank as a back-up power forward if we decide to keep our current line-up and spend money elsewhere.

Bogdan wants to start, so I don't consider him an option.

As for PF, I'd love to see Saric put together more good games here down the stretch. If he can't get a starting gig, maybe he'd be willing to stick around here as our backup 4/5 on a reasonable deal. We don't need a starting 4 - just a 4 who is worthy of rotation minutes.

I really like the idea of Saric as our full time backup C.

The biggest disadvantage for Saric on defense is his slowness, he has true problems staying in front of fast guys.
At C he can avoid some difficult matchups for him and he is big enough to fight around the rim with the majority of the Cs in the league.

Offensively he give us a lot options playing the 5 because of his shooting, decent ball handling and passing ability. He spaces the floor better than Baynes.

[darealjuice]

Bogdan wants to start, so I don't consider him an option.

As for PF, I'd love to see Saric put together more good games here down the stretch. If he can't get a starting gig, maybe he'd be willing to stick around here as our backup 4/5 on a reasonable deal. We don't need a starting 4 - just a 4 who is worthy of rotation minutes.

I’m sure he wants to start, but he’d still be a 30 mpg player behind Rubio and Booker. Just a thought considering they wanted a somewhat similar player in Kennard. I agree it’s unlikely though.

I had high hopes for Saric coming into the year but he’s been so inconsistent. I’d consider keeping him if he was cheap, but I prefer spending our money on someone that brings more shooting and/or defense. Healthy Frank probably gets the job done about as well as Saric at back-up power forward anyways.

[RunDogGun]

Wonder if we'll put together an offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic this offseason? Scoring, 3-point shooting, and playmaking are obvious needs for us off the bench, and we were reportedly showing interest in Luke Kennard at the trade deadline. He'd be a strong sixth man that could fill our back-up guard spots. We'd have to overpay to get him out of RFA, but it's not like we're landing a big fish anyways.

The rest of this season will show us how much of a priority power forward will be this offseason. Our current starting line-up has one of the best net ratings in the league without a traditional one, but you still need to be able to match-up with bigger teams. Not a big market, but Gallo, Bertans, and Grant would be solid options for us. We can also keep Frank as a back-up power forward if we decide to keep our current line-up and spend money elsewhere.

Bogdan wants to start, so I don't consider him an option.

As for PF, I'd love to see Saric put together more good games here down the stretch. If he can't get a starting gig, maybe he'd be willing to stick around here as our backup 4/5 on a reasonable deal. We don't need a starting 4 - just a 4 who is worthy of rotation minutes.

Who is giving Bogdan a starting spot though? he has only started 12 out of 45 games this season on the Kings.

[Fo-Real]

I miss Frank **** Kaminsky!!! What he was doing for this team (while some **** was suspended), and before he was forced to play center due to injuries and before he was injured WOULD make him a pretty effective streach big next to Ayton. He was hitting 3's, was driving and dishing effectively when someone closed out and was cooking katts with effective post play. Frank was making the Hornets question weather they gave up on him too early!!

[BobbieL]

Wonder if we'll put together an offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic this offseason? Scoring, 3-point shooting, and playmaking are obvious needs for us off the bench, and we were reportedly showing interest in Luke Kennard at the trade deadline. He'd be a strong sixth man that could fill our back-up guard spots. We'd have to overpay to get him out of RFA, but it's not like we're landing a big fish anyways.

The rest of this season will show us how much of a priority power forward will be this offseason. Our current starting line-up has one of the best net ratings in the league without a traditional one, but you still need to be able to match-up with bigger teams. Not a big market, but Gallo, Bertans, and Grant would be solid options for us. We can also keep Frank as a back-up power forward if we decide to keep our current line-up and spend money elsewhere.

Bogdan wants to start, so I don't consider him an option.

As for PF, I'd love to see Saric put together more good games here down the stretch. If he can't get a starting gig, maybe he'd be willing to stick around here as our backup 4/5 on a reasonable deal. We don't need a starting 4 - just a 4 who is worthy of rotation minutes.

I really like the idea of Saric as our full time backup C.

The biggest disadvantage for Saric on defense is his slowness, he has true problems staying in front of fast guys.
At C he can avoid some difficult matchups for him and he is big enough to fight around the rim with the majority of the Cs in the league.

Offensively he give us a lot options playing the 5 because of his shooting, decent ball handling and passing ability. He spaces the floor better than Baynes.

The thought of Saric back at the 4/5 next season is a pretty good. Never thought of it. But if you can get Saric for pretty cheap - basically what they are paying FRank or a bit more - that really keeps a lot more cash for getting a guy like Bogdan - who will command 16-20m per year.

Though the Suns have the 6th most cap space - its not really that much. So Jones is going to have to be smart

[Jdiddy701]

For someone who has not enjoyed watching Saric all season (me), I would love him back as a back up big on a cheap contract. I think he’s realized he’s not a starter in this league and can play better off the bench. I’m okay with Frank and Saric off the bench for next year.


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[jcsunsfan]

Carter is effective as a back up combo guard. Even if he is having a down night shooting, you know you are going to get bull dog defense from him. He deserves to get Okobo's minutes. Okobo's big problem is that he does not know how to run an offense. He telegraphs passes, throws the ball away, and makes the wrong passes. He helps the other team more than ours when on the court.

The Suns are better by NOT playing Okobo. I would would play Carter as the primary backup guard, and then give Mikal a few minutes there too if necessary. Ty Jerome might get a look or two if the matchup allows it.

Okobo needs to sit except for garbage time. He should be done on this team.

I think with the injuries this season, we've been forced to rely on guys who couldn't be counted on consistently. In the case of Okobo, sometimes he ended up giving you something, but he was not supposed to be counted on as a long term solution. This sometimes hurt guys like Carter as well, which is a shame.

When Okobo was doing well, he was essentially just not making mistakes - not turning it over, playing solid D. But it's not like he was actually producing out there. Wouldn't shoot. Didn't make plays or cause turnovers. Recently, he's added turnovers and missed shots to the equation. I've seen enough.

Carter, meanwhile, has continued to progress throughout the season, giving steady production of late even though he's being yanked and reinserted in the rotation to give other guys chances. The biggest thing is that three ball - he's become consistent. And since Ty hasn't figured it out yet, that makes him the only guard off our bench we can count on to give us something out there. So I think he's earned his spot next season. We need someone we can depend on, after all.

Okobo is not a point guard. He is a two. But he is being called upon to be a pg. That's why he doesn't shoot. He is overcompensating because the pg position is not natural to him.

That and is he probably just not an NBA player.

[BobbieL]

For someone who has not enjoyed watching Saric all season (me), I would love him back as a back up big on a cheap contract. I think he’s realized he’s not a starter in this league and can play better off the bench. I’m okay with Frank and Saric off the bench for next year.


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LIke I thought when Frank was starting - Monty should have gone with Diallo because I thought Diallo against the other teams starter combined with having Frank off the bench was a better use of Franks skill set.

Same with Saric - maybe coming off the bench - against the other teams back up - would be a better use of his talents. This might be the play unless some team gives multiple years or just more money. But a one year deal to keep some cap flexibility for 2021 might be the way to go. Granted, if you get a guy like Bogdan or a higher level player - your cap space is gone so maybe a mult year at that point makes sense.

[bwgood77]

Wonder if we'll put together an offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic this offseason? Scoring, 3-point shooting, and playmaking are obvious needs for us off the bench, and we were reportedly showing interest in Luke Kennard at the trade deadline. He'd be a strong sixth man that could fill our back-up guard spots. We'd have to overpay to get him out of RFA, but it's not like we're landing a big fish anyways.

The rest of this season will show us how much of a priority power forward will be this offseason. Our current starting line-up has one of the best net ratings in the league without a traditional one, but you still need to be able to match-up with bigger teams. Not a big market, but Gallo, Bertans, and Grant would be solid options for us. We can also keep Frank as a back-up power forward if we decide to keep our current line-up and spend money elsewhere.

Bogdan wants to start, so I don't consider him an option.

As for PF, I'd love to see Saric put together more good games here down the stretch. If he can't get a starting gig, maybe he'd be willing to stick around here as our backup 4/5 on a reasonable deal. We don't need a starting 4 - just a 4 who is worthy of rotation minutes.

Who is giving Bogdan a starting spot though? he has only started 12 out of 45 games this season on the Kings.

The Knicks could use him.

[sunsbum]

I will toss my hat in the ring for saric as a backup 4. The price would have to be right but it seems like hes been in the league long enough to realize hes better suited to come off the bench.

[Wilber85]

Offseason needs to be this

Get Markannen for Oubre and 2021 Protected 1st
Draft LaMelo (lets get the lottery) or Cole Anthony

Run with this

Rubio, LaMelo
Booker, Free Agent
Bridges, Johnson
Markannen , Saric
Ayton, Baynes or Pick up Center FA

[BobbieL]

Offseason needs to be this

Get Markannen for Oubre and 2021 Protected 1st
Draft LaMelo (lets get the lottery) or Cole Anthony

Run with this

Rubio, LaMelo
Booker, Free Agent
Bridges, Johnson
Markannen , Saric
Ayton, Baynes or Pick up Center FA

Hmm - with the way this starting 5 is rolling - I am not sure the need for a "4" is as much as having a true guy off the bench that can fill it up. Hence, I think thats why Bogdan is mentioned.

Saric maybe back for 5-6m as a back up4
bring back Frank
throw a crap load of money at a guy like Bogdan that can come off the bench playing the 2.
draft the best player - don't get cute - best player on the board. Maybe re-visit Kennard with this pick too. he would be a solid third guard.

hope Jerome and Carter can be your 4th and 5th guard

[jcsunsfan]

I want to bring back Carter. When I see him check in I pay more attention to the game because I love to watch him play D. He needs to be part of this team long term. He is the guard version of PJ Tucker. Every team needs those guys.

[BobbieL]

I want to bring back Carter. When I see him check in I pay more attention to the game because I love to watch him play D. He needs to be part of this team long term. He is the guard version of PJ Tucker. Every team needs those guys.

I do think Carter is a guy you would want to bring back. Like you said, you need guys like that. I think he will only get better too. Well at least you can hope he does. Work on the shot JC - all day, every day.

[lilfishi22]

Carter really performing well. he might be the one to keep over Okobo this summer. Hate to give up on guys making 1.5m though -I mean you replace Okobo with a rookie making 1m or a veteran. But Okobo might need a good summer!

Okobo still has potential and it very well may be the case where he goes somewhere else and flourishes but based on our poor history of player development and the need for a guy that can do something, anything well on the court in one of the back court positions, I'm OK with moving on from him

[lilfishi22]

Its crazy that Carter was known as the Defensive back-up PG and Okobo was the Offensive backup PG. Im looking at the comparison between the two, and yes, Carter is still the defensive Bulldog......but also taken the offensive backup PG title away from Okobo. PER36 Shows them dead even in shot attempts (Around 9) and points (11), but Carters percentages are much much better. He's hitting 41% from the field where Okobo is at 39% (Not that huge of a difference), but Carter hits 42% of his 3's while Okobo hits just 35%.

Okobo should be good as gone once the season is over. He is not an answer to any NBA question. Just cut him and open up another roster space for us to roll the dice on another cheap guard. Guys like Okobo are a dime a dozen.

Considering Okobo wasn't one of JJ's guys, he's basically been on the chopping block since JJ took over so I wouldn't be at all surprised if we just waived him.