Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[Zonkerbl]

I would like to say the iq test is a great example of unintentional racism except when it was invented in the early 20th century there was nothing unintentional about it. It was explicitly designed to give higher scores to white people.

Watch Nate jump in and be like “so why do Asian people score higher then??? Aha! Gotcha!!”

[Zonkerbl]

I love how Nate never admits he’s wrong - he just waits a year or so and then brings up the same wrong argument, hoping I’m not around to knock it out of the park again.

Dude! Just admit the iq test is racist! This is a safe space. Your conservative friends won’t even know!

Ok, stopping now.

[Kanyewest]

Lots of piling on Sanders by Amy, Pete, and Biden to start off the debate.

Warren didn't really go as negative on Bernie (she ditched the Bernie being responsible narrative).

Warren, Sanders attacked Bloomberg but was greeted by boos in the audience where ticket b prices were 1700 to 3000. Warren was even booed when defending female workers claims against Bloomberg, I don't think she sees as much fund raising from this debate.

I think center candidates forgot to attack Sanders for sometime until the latter portion. Sanders was asked about why he said positive things about Cuba, and he said Obama did the same thing but condemned it for being a dictatorship. Biden proceeded to call Sanders a liar.

Obama on Cuba(this clip has been making the rounds on the internet before the debate)

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Overall this debate was pretty badly moderated. I think Sanders won. He may not win South Carolina but is in prime position for Super Tuesday especially since not enough candidates who are in the center lane are dropping out.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't know what happened to the random thoughts thread but I kind of post in stream-of-consciousness anyway.

Whatever happened to the random thoughts thread? Is there nowhere on this board where we can talk about Zion Williamson?

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think of them and compare to people in Germany when Adolf Hitler was coming to power. No matter what your party affiliation is whether you're conservative or liberal it's US versus THEM... if you lose objectivity and critical thinking skills.

In my opinion invariably some of us are full of it and some of them have much more in common with my values.

So whoever I'm aligned with politically I have to remind myself not to become such an extremist that I lose my objectivity ; and I always vote my conscience.

People that are married to one issue like abortion or the economy or their wallet or their border or whatever to me overlook egregious offenses by their leaders if they become too zealous and they lose their objectivity and their good conscience.

Yet another - "How in the bleep did we get here" moment: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/impeachment-witness-alexander-vindman-fired-from-the-white-house/ar-BBZLmMx?li=BBnb7Kz

Such a blatantly unAmerican thing to do... So beyond unacceptable. What a f'n disgrace to the USA. It's to the point where Republicans who don't step up are beyond redemption.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trump's taking names.

The Supreme Court and many federal courts have only one way appointments now. When things get one side it's only a matter of time before there something at end of genocide in a matter of speaking that's going to take place. I just think it's more social media and political oppression going on today but it's the same thing that was going on during World War II the Vietnam and all those areas. Forgive me for the typographical errors because right now I am talking to text and I might have to make some serious edits on this post in the morning.

For the record, both Hitler and Stalin held elections *all the time.*

Also I find it hilarious that anyone can say we have a free press when Fox Lies dominates the "News" market. We are in a situation where a huge proportion of the country wants and demands lies that satisfy their hatred and fear. The network that supplies those lies to their willing consumers face absolutely zero consequences for lying.

The only difference between us and fascist Germany right now is real journalists are not being persecuted... oh wait...

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think many other people in the Democratic party are so full of s***. I may be in some ways anti-trump but in other ways I see things that are really positive and productive going on and I have not lost hope in the future regardless of who's in charge. I look at the Obama Administration and the Trump Administration as having so many things in common only their polar opposite....

Again forgive me for this stream of conscious talk-to-text and which my cell phone me totally Boch what I'm saying when it finally gets translated. Just like the word botch..

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[Zonkerbl]

I think many other people in the Democratic party are so full of s***. I may be in some ways anti-trump but in other ways I see things that are really positive and productive going on and I have not lost hope in the future regardless of who's in charge. I look at the Obama Administration and the Trump Administration as having so many things in common only their polar opposite....

Again forgive me for this stream of conscious talk-to-text and which my cell phone me totally Boch what I'm saying when it finally gets translated. Just like the word botch..

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lol

I hate Trump's guts but yeah, there's only so much damage he can do to the economy.

Better get used to it because i have a feeling he's going to win in 2020

[Pointgod]

Lots of piling on Sanders by Amy, Pete, and Biden to start off the debate.

Warren didn't really go as negative on Bernie (she ditched the Bernie being responsible narrative).

Warren, Sanders attacked Bloomberg but was greeted by boos in the audience where ticket b prices were 1700 to 3000. Warren was even booed when defending female workers claims against Bloomberg, I don't think she sees as much fund raising from this debate.

I think center candidates forgot to attack Sanders for sometime until the latter portion. Sanders was asked about why he said positive things about Cuba, and he said Obama did the same thing but condemned it for being a dictatorship. Biden proceeded to call Sanders a liar.

Obama on Cuba(this clip has been making the rounds on the internet before the debate)

Read on Twitter

Overall this debate was pretty badly moderated. I think Sanders won. He may not win South Carolina but is in prime position for Super Tuesday especially since not enough candidates who are in the center lane are dropping out.

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I don’t see why it’s so hard to denounce Castro as a dictator and the piece of **** dictator that proceeded him. Yes Cuba has high literacy but authoritarians and dictators often use social benefits to consolidate their absolute power. Ignore the death squads, ignore jailing dissidents and political opponents, people are educated! It’s just like Trump saying ignore the children in cages, ignore destroying Democracy, Trump cut taxes!

Anyways I don’t think any of this matters. All the candidates waited too long to attack Bernie. Early voting has started in California and the moderate vote will continue to spread out. Bernie will build up a huge delegate lead after Super Tuesday.

[nate33]

I love how Nate never admits he’s wrong - he just waits a year or so and then brings up the same wrong argument, hoping I’m not around to knock it out of the park again.

Dude! Just admit the iq test is racist! This is a safe space. Your conservative friends won’t even know!

Ok, stopping now.

Go look who brought the subject up.

[Zonkerbl]

Sure thing buddy!

You’re better than this, Nate

Are you talking about the guy who still thinks white people are superior to blacks because of intelligence quotient scores?

Yea...uh no.

Alright, fine. I ADMIT I'M WRONG. See how easy that is?

[Ruzious]

Lots of piling on Sanders by Amy, Pete, and Biden to start off the debate.

Warren didn't really go as negative on Bernie (she ditched the Bernie being responsible narrative).

Warren, Sanders attacked Bloomberg but was greeted by boos in the audience where ticket b prices were 1700 to 3000. Warren was even booed when defending female workers claims against Bloomberg, I don't think she sees as much fund raising from this debate.

I think center candidates forgot to attack Sanders for sometime until the latter portion. Sanders was asked about why he said positive things about Cuba, and he said Obama did the same thing but condemned it for being a dictatorship. Biden proceeded to call Sanders a liar.

Obama on Cuba(this clip has been making the rounds on the internet before the debate)

Read on Twitter

Overall this debate was pretty badly moderated. I think Sanders won. He may not win South Carolina but is in prime position for Super Tuesday especially since not enough candidates who are in the center lane are dropping out.

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Tbh, Warren has been winning the debates. She's been the best at presenting her views clearly, saying how she's going to try to pay for them, and at attacking the other Dems. Biden and Bloomberg have managed to get by without calling a woman a dog-face or a horse-face. Other than that - not so good. Biden has to win SC, or he's done. He didn't say it, but he implied it. I don't think it's a given that Sanders beats Warren - if it comes down to them. At one point, I did, but she keeps out-performing everyone.

[dckingsfan]

If you like to read wiki...

The majority of anthropologists today consider race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one, a view supported by considerable genetics research. The current mainstream view in the social sciences and biology is that race is a social construction based on folk ideologies that construct groups based on social disparities and superficial physical characteristics. Sternberg, Grigorenko & Kidd (2005) state, "Race is a socially constructed concept, not a biological one. It derives from people's desire to classify." The concept of human "races" as natural and separate divisions within the human species has also been rejected by the American Anthropological Association. The official position of the AAA, adopted in 1998, is that advances in scientific knowledge have made it "clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups" and that "any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations [is] both arbitrary and subjective."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

[dckingsfan]

Tbh, Warren has been winning the debates. She's been the best at presenting her views clearly, saying how she's going to try to pay for them, and at attacking the other Dems. Biden and Bloomberg have managed to get by without calling a woman a dog-face or a horse-face. Other than that - not so good. Biden has to win SC, or he's done. He didn't say it, but he implied it. I don't think it's a given that Sanders beats Warren - if it comes down to them. At one point, I did, but she keeps out-performing everyone.

Yep, pretty interesting that she has been winning the debates but falling in the polls.

Still thinking a brokered convention.

[dckingsfan]

If you like to read wiki...

The majority of anthropologists today consider race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one, a view supported by considerable genetics research. The current mainstream view in the social sciences and biology is that race is a social construction based on folk ideologies that construct groups based on social disparities and superficial physical characteristics. Sternberg, Grigorenko & Kidd (2005) state, "Race is a socially constructed concept, not a biological one. It derives from people's desire to classify." The concept of human "races" as natural and separate divisions within the human species has also been rejected by the American Anthropological Association. The official position of the AAA, adopted in 1998, is that advances in scientific knowledge have made it "clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups" and that "any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations [is] both arbitrary and subjective."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

For what it is worth... I don't think racism/prejudice is binary. Rather shades of grey and toward specific races and types. Someone might be low on the racist scale but high on LBJT or obese folks.

Show me someone that says they are a zero on the scale and I will show you someone that is either lying or not self-aware.

[I_Like_Dirt]

For what it is worth... I don't think racism/prejudice is binary. Rather shades of grey and toward specific races and types. Someone might be low on the racist scale but high on LBJT or obese folks.

Show me someone that says they are a zero on the scale and I will show you someone that is either lying or not self-aware.

I agree. I think the larger issue is that humans are tribal animals. We like to see ourselves as separate from nature rather than a part of it but that doesn't make it true (and is largely yet another function of wanting to separate into separate tribes of sorts). If we were all magically the same skin color, we'd hate on people with green eyes, because there's something shifty about them. And if everyone was the same eye color, we'd hate on Wisconsinites because they really aren't trustworthy in general. And if Wisconsin wasn't a thing, we'd hate on Baltimore because does anyone honestly like Baltimore? And if Baltimore wasn't a thing, we'd basically be forced into waging war against the people on the other side of that hill over there because we can't see what they're doing and we beat them at football nearly half the time - plus, I'm pretty sure that most of them have one thumb longer than the other which is a mark of the devil.

[dckingsfan]

For what it is worth... I don't think racism/prejudice is binary. Rather shades of grey and toward specific races and types. Someone might be low on the racist scale but high on LBJT or obese folks.

Show me someone that says they are a zero on the scale and I will show you someone that is either lying or not self-aware.

I agree. I think the larger issue is that humans are tribal animals. We like to see ourselves as separate from nature rather than a part of it but that doesn't make it true (and is largely yet another function of wanting to separate into separate tribes of sorts). If we were all magically the same skin color, we'd hate on people with green eyes, because there's something shifty about them. And if everyone was the same eye color, we'd hate on Wisconsinites because they really aren't trustworthy in general. And if Wisconsin wasn't a thing, we'd hate on Baltimore because does anyone honestly like Baltimore? And if Baltimore wasn't a thing, we'd basically be forced into waging war against the people on the other side of that hill over there because we can't see what they're doing and we beat them at football nearly half the time - plus, I'm pretty sure that most of them have one thumb longer than the other which is a mark of the devil.

Wait, how did you know? Green eyes and red hair - can't stand them - so shifty and devious!

Or as Zonk would say - its the farmers!!!

[doclinkin]

Wait, how did you know? Green eyes and red hair - can't stand them - so shifty and devious!

Or as Zonk would say - its the farmers!!!

Or the framers.

If I recall correctly nate has red hair...

[Zonkerbl]

stupid farmers

i hate em

move to the city!

[Zonkerbl]

The crux of the issue is that "intelligence" is also a social construct. We don't have an objective way to measure it because we don't really know what it is. We know how to devise tests that can accurately separate successful people from unsuccessful people, but what if you're unsuccessful because people in your tribe are systematically discriminated against? Which answers Nate's question "then why do Asian people score highly on the test we've devised to determine how successful you are?" Well, because they're not discriminated against the same way african americans are. Plus a lot of the folks coming to live here from that part of the world are the cream of the crop.