Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two

[RIP Kobe]

Ironic seeing Kobe and Weinstein the same day in our media and the different reactions they get. Is like the Universe is trying to tell us that you can get away with doing bad things if you are charismatic.

I hope people like yourself get falsely accused of rape/sexual assault, except you’re not a millionaire so you will be left out to die to clear your name.

[Bullflip]

I didn’t know where to put this but a friend of Kobe, who also spoke at the memorial, Sabrina Ionesco, accomplished a milestone of her own hours after the memorial.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/us/sabrina-ionescu-makes-ncaa-history-in-win-at-stanford-spt-trnd/index.html

The weird coincidence is that it happened on 2/24/20, which are the numbers of Giana, Kobe, and Sabrina respectively

[kb24k]

The only people bringing the lawsuit are the lawyers looking to profit from death and destruction. It's clear to me that Kobe is the one that ordered a flight with exact time and place and he is the only one that could have aborted it and turned it around . But since Kobe is deceased , there is no one to question let alone hold accountable. Pilot was just an operator that had to get from point to point and he had no say otherwise.

From my understanding this along with every other helicopter is flown only with visual rules due to too much cost , too much training and very rare occurence of such a fog to fly by instrument rules. Once again, only Kobe could have aborted the flight especially when they started circling but once they got into a big fog the pilot seemed to have lost his balance and it was a death spiral more or less.

that's just wrong to put this on kobe.
The circling didn't have anything to do with IFR/VFR. they were waiting for a plane to clear the space. the visibility was fine after that.
this accident had 0 to do with the circling over Glendale. At Van Nuys they were not in SVFR anymore, they were completely VFR.
Passangers most likely were not aware of what was going on(which makes it easier for us to deal with this).
The pilot was reckless and overconfident when he didn't declare emergency when he went into the clouds, and he was going 150mph.
Helicopters can stop in the air unlike airplanes. He could have done that and declare emergency, and the ATC would help him from there.

He had a previous incident regarding weather related conditions.

PS: Pilots are responsible for the flight. They can cancel the flight if they want to, and the passengers cannot do anything about it.

[Sprewell4Three]

I guess everyone grieves differently but I don’t know how people were so quick to create memes, tribute videos, paint graffiti, get tattoos literally the same day and or next dat after the tragedy. I was so in shock during that whole time period that the last thing I wanted to do was bring attention to my self.

The same people you see that changed their avatars on social media to Kobe Bryant will change them to something else in a couple of weeks and or months.

[queridiculo]

So.
billionare widow goes and sues working class widow to rob her all of the fewmoney left by working class husband just because................

Inmoral.

They sued the operator, no? I would expect a company like this to be insured, and it would be the insurance footing the bill.

[Colbinii]

So.
billionare widow goes and sues working class widow to rob her all of the fewmoney left by working class husband just because................

Inmoral.

They sued the operator, no? I would expect a company like this to be insured, and it would be the insurance footing the bill.

Insurance doesn't cover everything.

[DS17]

So.
billionare widow goes and sues working class widow to rob her all of the fewmoney left by working class husband just because................

Inmoral.

Hey, hellcrooner. A billionaire widow loses her HUSBAND. Her DAUGHTER. Who are priceless to her. Put yourself in her shoes before you judge. Disgusting.

[Bandwagon1]

This won't ever sink in.

[NyKnicks1714]

So.
billionare widow goes and sues working class widow to rob her all of the fewmoney left by working class husband just because................

Inmoral.

Hey, hellcrooner. A billionaire widow loses her HUSBAND. Her DAUGHTER. Who are priceless to her. Put yourself in her shoes before you judge. Disgusting.

Ara Zobayan's family also lost a loved one. Now they're defendants in a lawsuit over the actions of their deceased loved one, who they're grieving. Put yourself in THEIR shoes.

I think it's bad enough that they have to see his name dragged through the mud in a lawsuit against the helicopter company alleging his negligence, but they're actually named as defendants in the lawsuit. It's all kinds of **** up.

[The Laker Kid]

Seeing the old school San Antonio Spurs team in attendance was heartwarming. Nothing but pure class with these guys. I used to hate them back in the days, but now I respect them a lot. Damnit, I love that Spurs team. Respect.

[Nero79]

This won't ever sink in.

Have you seen the crash site? The smouldering wreckage and thousands of parts strewn about. I understood it right away

[Noctilux]

Kobe became an all time great by imitating Jordan's moves, drive, and ruthlessness on the court. Seeing Jordan speak at his memorial, I can't help but think Jordan learned a few things from Kobe.

[Nero79]

The only people bringing the lawsuit are the lawyers looking to profit from death and destruction. It's clear to me that Kobe is the one that ordered a flight with exact time and place and he is the only one that could have aborted it and turned it around . But since Kobe is deceased , there is no one to question let alone hold accountable. Pilot was just an operator that had to get from point to point and he had no say otherwise.

From my understanding this along with every other helicopter is flown only with visual rules due to too much cost , too much training and very rare occurence of such a fog to fly by instrument rules. Once again, only Kobe could have aborted the flight especially when they started circling but once they got into a big fog the pilot seemed to have lost his balance and it was a death spiral more or less.

that's just wrong to put this on kobe.
The circling didn't have anything to do with IFR/VFR. they were waiting for a plane to clear the space. the visibility was fine after that.
this accident had 0 to do with the circling over Glendale. At Van Nuys they were not in SVFR anymore, they were completely VFR.
Passangers most likely were not aware of what was going on(which makes it easier for us to deal with this).
The pilot was reckless and overconfident when he didn't declare emergency when he went into the clouds, and he was going 150mph.
Helicopters can stop in the air unlike airplanes. He could have done that and declare emergency, and the ATC would help him from there.

He had a previous incident regarding weather related conditions.

PS: Pilots are responsible for the flight. They can cancel the flight if they want to, and the passengers cannot do anything about it.

He was circling for 15 minutes because of the fog, yes there was some traffic but not that much to circle that long. Fog and helicopters can hardly mix, fog , helicopters and mountains don't mix well at all. Right now there is lots of fog and slushy snow where I live so I would take it very slowly and I wouldn't fly helicopters either.

This was a private flight, not a scheduled one so it's not up to the pilot to cancel it but the one ordering it and the company . Kobe and this pilot have flown together at least hundreds of times but never in that type of fog. Kobe isn't guilty for the crash but he is the one that could have aborted the flight altogether because of extraneous circumstances.

[kb24k]

The only people bringing the lawsuit are the lawyers looking to profit from death and destruction. It's clear to me that Kobe is the one that ordered a flight with exact time and place and he is the only one that could have aborted it and turned it around . But since Kobe is deceased , there is no one to question let alone hold accountable. Pilot was just an operator that had to get from point to point and he had no say otherwise.

From my understanding this along with every other helicopter is flown only with visual rules due to too much cost , too much training and very rare occurence of such a fog to fly by instrument rules. Once again, only Kobe could have aborted the flight especially when they started circling but once they got into a big fog the pilot seemed to have lost his balance and it was a death spiral more or less.

that's just wrong to put this on kobe.
The circling didn't have anything to do with IFR/VFR. they were waiting for a plane to clear the space. the visibility was fine after that.
this accident had 0 to do with the circling over Glendale. At Van Nuys they were not in SVFR anymore, they were completely VFR.
Passangers most likely were not aware of what was going on(which makes it easier for us to deal with this).
The pilot was reckless and overconfident when he didn't declare emergency when he went into the clouds, and he was going 150mph.
Helicopters can stop in the air unlike airplanes. He could have done that and declare emergency, and the ATC would help him from there.

He had a previous incident regarding weather related conditions.

PS: Pilots are responsible for the flight. They can cancel the flight if they want to, and the passengers cannot do anything about it.

He was circling for 15 minutes because of the fog, yes there was some traffic but not that much to circle that long. Fog and helicopters can hardly mix, fog , helicopters and mountains don't mix well at all. Right now there is lots of fog and slushy snow where I live so I would take it very slowly and I wouldn't fly helicopters either.

This was a private flight, not a scheduled one so it's not up to the pilot to cancel it but the one ordering it and the company . Kobe and this pilot have flown together at least hundreds of times but never in that type of fog. Kobe isn't guilty for the crash but he is the one that could have aborted the flight altogether because of extraneous circumstances.

I don't know where you get your facts from but you are wrong.
They had to wait after 2 planes and a helicopter. Nothing unusual.
And a pilot can cancel the flight even if it's private.

[NyKnicks1714]

So.
billionare widow goes and sues working class widow to rob her all of the fewmoney left by working class husband just because................

Inmoral.

They sued the operator, no? I would expect a company like this to be insured, and it would be the insurance footing the bill.

Ara Zobayan's estate is also named as a defendant in the lawsuit.

[Petergrifindor]

This was a private flight, not a scheduled one so it's not up to the pilot to cancel it but the one ordering it and the company . Kobe and this pilot have flown together at least hundreds of times but never in that type of fog. Kobe isn't guilty for the crash but he is the one that could have aborted the flight altogether because of extraneous circumstances.

Man, no.

The passengers don't have the last word. It is always the pilot. That is his job.

[Nero79]

that's just wrong to put this on kobe.
The circling didn't have anything to do with IFR/VFR. they were waiting for a plane to clear the space. the visibility was fine after that.
this accident had 0 to do with the circling over Glendale. At Van Nuys they were not in SVFR anymore, they were completely VFR.
Passangers most likely were not aware of what was going on(which makes it easier for us to deal with this).
The pilot was reckless and overconfident when he didn't declare emergency when he went into the clouds, and he was going 150mph.
Helicopters can stop in the air unlike airplanes. He could have done that and declare emergency, and the ATC would help him from there.

He had a previous incident regarding weather related conditions.

PS: Pilots are responsible for the flight. They can cancel the flight if they want to, and the passengers cannot do anything about it.

He was circling for 15 minutes because of the fog, yes there was some traffic but not that much to circle that long. Fog and helicopters can hardly mix, fog , helicopters and mountains don't mix well at all. Right now there is lots of fog and slushy snow where I live so I would take it very slowly and I wouldn't fly helicopters either.

This was a private flight, not a scheduled one so it's not up to the pilot to cancel it but the one ordering it and the company . Kobe and this pilot have flown together at least hundreds of times but never in that type of fog. Kobe isn't guilty for the crash but he is the one that could have aborted the flight altogether because of extraneous circumstances.

I don't know where you get your facts from but you are wrong.
They had to wait after 2 planes and a helicopter. Nothing unusual.
And a pilot can cancel the flight even if it's private.

2 planes and 1 helicopter is max of 5 minutes waiting time which would mean 10 minutes of waiting for fog to clear. Also they were flying so low because of the fog and then the pilot got disoriented which is common in a fog. Pilot can't cancel the flights unless the company and the one who ordered tells him to.

[Nero79]

This was a private flight, not a scheduled one so it's not up to the pilot to cancel it but the one ordering it and the company . Kobe and this pilot have flown together at least hundreds of times but never in that type of fog. Kobe isn't guilty for the crash but he is the one that could have aborted the flight altogether because of extraneous circumstances.

Man, no.

The passengers don't have the last word. It is always the pilot. That is his job.

His job is to fly from point to point, he can't cancel or abort unless the helicopter is failing which it didn't here.

[Petergrifindor]

This was a private flight, not a scheduled one so it's not up to the pilot to cancel it but the one ordering it and the company . Kobe and this pilot have flown together at least hundreds of times but never in that type of fog. Kobe isn't guilty for the crash but he is the one that could have aborted the flight altogether because of extraneous circumstances.

Man, no.

The passengers don't have the last word. It is always the pilot. That is his job.

His job is to fly from point to point, he can't cancel or abort unless the helicopter is failing which it didn't here.

Ok, you are clueless.

[MAQ]

Hey, hellcrooner. A billionaire widow loses her HUSBAND. Her DAUGHTER. Who are priceless to her. Put yourself in her shoes before you judge. Disgusting.

Ara Zobayan's family also lost a loved one. Now they're defendants in a lawsuit over the actions of their deceased loved one, who they're grieving. Put yourself in THEIR shoes.

I think it's bad enough that they have to see his name dragged through the mud in a lawsuit against the helicopter company alleging his negligence, but they're actually named as defendants in the lawsuit. It's all kinds of **** up.

Its uncomfortable for sure. The fact that the pilots name was not omitted from the memorial on Monday makes me believe that Vanessa doesnt perhaps blame him so much as she has to include all parties associated with the helicopter and its operation in the suit.

I do wonder what the Bryant family could have been held responsible for by the other families that were affected by this crash. Have to believe this is another reason for including the pilot in the suit.