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Re: Juancho Hernangomez thread 

Post#21 » by Slim Tubby » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:14 pm

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TheDominator273 wrote:We are calling him a PF because that's what he is in our system that entails 1 PG, 3 wings, and 1 center. As a big SF most of his minutes he will end up as our biggest wing on the floor thus be playing PF in our system.

Appreciate the other insight on him though. We are not completely unfamiliar with guys like this who have confidence issues having gone through Bjelica and Saric in recent years who had very similar struggles. Hopefully the 3rd times the charm and Juancho shakes that issue with consistent minutes.


Obviously you guys will know more about your system than I will, so you may be right, it was just sad watching Juancho trying to stop guys like Porzingus or Al Horford.

The one big difference between Juancho and Saric or Bjelica is that Juancho is a considerably better defender and much more of a hustle player than those 2 guys have ever been. Even a Juancho that hesitates to shoot the ball and then misses will still bring you a positive contribution on defense and offensive rebounding as well as just all around effort.


Thanks for taking the time to come over to our boards and deliver some insight on Juancho. It's appreciated!!!
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Re: Juancho Hernangomez thread 

Post#22 » by wolves_89 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:14 pm

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The Rebel wrote:One thing, I notice a lot of people talking about him being a PF, and maybe he will grow into it, but he does not have the size or strength to really be an effective PF right now. He is basically a tall SF which can come in handy against taller SFs around the league.

As Dominator said, he's gonna basically be a PF, as Covington was. Minnesota's system is different. I'm not even sure Millsap would be a PF here, to be honest.


In a lot of ways Hernangomez is pretty good fit at PF for the Wolves. The new Minnesota system really values shooting on offense and switch-ability on defense from the PF position. Juancho seems like he can provide both at a reasonable level. As has been the case all year the Wolves will have problems in match-ups with bigger PFs, but with the new roster we may finally have the shooting to actually make opposing teams pay a price for going big (something we weren't able to do for most of the year).
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Post#23 » by Swish4 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:39 pm

Juancho is kind of the definition of a solid 4. Dependable all around game
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Re: Juancho Hernangomez thread 

Post#24 » by Calinks » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:03 pm

Will this finally be the stretch four Euro player that we can rely on?
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Post#25 » by Mamba4Goat » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:24 pm

Calinks wrote:Will this finally be the stretch four Euro player that we can rely on?

Does AK kinda count??
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Post#26 » by cloudXXI » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:33 pm

TheDominator273 wrote:We are calling him a PF because that's what he is in our system that entails 1 PG, 3 wings, and 1 center. As a big SF most of his minutes he will end up as our biggest wing on the floor thus be playing PF in our system.


That´s the same system Spain played in the World Championiship. Ricky Rubio - Marc Gasol and 3 wings: Rudy Fernandez, Juancho and Claver; and Juancho looked very good on defense. He is a team defender, in a good system he will success.

On offense he is an active player, looking for spots to shoot or chances for cutting.

He is not going to be a key for success, but he will always help making the team a little better.
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Post#27 » by Klomp » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:00 pm

I feel like Juancho could have like a TJ Warren or Bojan Bogdanovic level of offensive production at his peak. Still needs to develop, but does have ability.
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Post#28 » by minimus » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:33 pm

I have noticed that Juancho is not patient enough when he receives the ball under the rim. He needs to use pump fakes and advanced post moves to take opponent out of balance. He will never be an athletic finisher but he still can be an efficient one.
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Post#29 » by Jedzz » Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:27 pm

Why would he not work at the 3? Play the 3 on feature and some 4. Replace the Toe we can't count on.
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Post#30 » by Jedzz » Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:45 pm

The Rebel wrote:
TheDominator273 wrote:We are calling him a PF because that's what he is in our system that entails 1 PG, 3 wings, and 1 center. As a big SF most of his minutes he will end up as our biggest wing on the floor thus be playing PF in our system.

Appreciate the other insight on him though. We are not completely unfamiliar with guys like this who have confidence issues having gone through Bjelica and Saric in recent years who had very similar struggles. Hopefully the 3rd times the charm and Juancho shakes that issue with consistent minutes.


Obviously you guys will know more about your system than I will, so you may be right, it was just sad watching Juancho trying to stop guys like Porzingus or Al Horford.


There is no reason we can't have him at SF with another larger Wing yet next to him. There is absolutely no reason our wings have to be small at all. Aside from Beasely not being very tall, the roster is littered with larger forwards. Nothing wrong with that in my book. Best to use them in their most comfortable and effective role.

It doesn't seem to matter who is playing what except that they dont appear to want a 7+ft statue at center. They tried to make Culver a PG for pete's sake. There are no rules on height and weight.
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Post#31 » by Klomp » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:04 pm

Jedzz wrote:It doesn't seem to matter who is playing what except that they dont appear to want a 7+ft statue at center. They tried to make Culver a PG for pete's sake. There are no rules on height and weight.

It's never been just about height and weight. Hernangomez could play SF, but I'm not sure that's the best plan for the team and the lineups they can create to make that possible.
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Re: Juancho Hernangomez thread 

Post#32 » by Jedzz » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:13 pm

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Jedzz wrote:It doesn't seem to matter who is playing what except that they dont appear to want a 7+ft statue at center. They tried to make Culver a PG for pete's sake. There are no rules on height and weight.

It's never been just about height and weight. Hernangomez could play SF, but I'm not sure that's the best plan for the team and the lineups they can create to make that possible.


But it clearly is about height / weight reading many people here. Almost to every single suggestion made at PF, they are looking for a spindly semi-tall player that they somehow assume is athletic enough to compete and move well because he's thin. Oh yeah, except for minimus who suggested the huge BAM the other day. As if we can afford him. Or Gordon who can't shoot at all. And yet, most players we've had like Juan's size that can't really hang with the developed men so many teams are playing at that position have a hard time being consistent from game to game for a reason. We haven't really found one yet that could consistently compete there. Rebel is trying to inform you Juancho could have the same issues.

My question is why try to force that when Wolves have so many beefier options the perfect size that are very capable athletes for their size. This then allows Juancho to compete for the SF wing role more. Doesn't mean he can't switch and such but he would compete with maybe Mr. Toe Hurts. Maybe, just maybe Juancho can be more trustworthy and idk, maybe even be able to play through or come back quicker from small injuries.

Or maybe Juancho will need a new team soon like others might. I just wouldn't overlook what Rebel is sharing with you.

I keep trying to remind people that we don't have that great rim protecting 7ft+ stud at center that would allow Wolves to go small and speedy at everything else. We have Towns who is more of a tweener himself and his production and defense suffers next to the big bigs. We've had to use Vets with wise game skills to cover for him from PF roles. IE: wasting a wing role on smaller SF/PF players just barely large enough to be capable of hanging with bigs and doing their best with game wise play. Taj shed weight down to a twig here by February of his first season playing 35+ mins/g. Covington had zero legs for such a role. Their production drops hard. The only time their offensive production went up was when the team was featuring them trying to raise value to sell them. But the point wasn't to win games that way and they did not.

Why not put a stronger PF who can really move just like these spindly skinny jeans wearing punks in that position who can both help Towns defensively and also be productive from the position. They exist. Just like Towns exists. That's why Johnson looks so effective here. But I know through and through the lack of desire from many to keep Johnson in the position longer is no deeper than the age issue.

Age is just like height and weight. Skin deep thoughts on this stuff. So many thinking age is an issue because they think whoever they decide on needs to be the guy for the next 5 years, but they are wrong. Guaranteed, the guy that earns or is given that role won't be there 4-5 years no matter what. Nobody will that isn't a Max or way overpaid. Maxed and the Overpaid are the only players that last here when the losses pile up. And the losses will pile up if they don't get the right players for that role.
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Re: Juancho Hernangomez thread 

Post#33 » by Klomp » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:32 pm

Looking into his stats a bit....right now in Minnesota, he's shooting a career-high 3-point percentage on a career-low percentage of his shots. And it's the opposite at the rim, as he's shooting a career-low percentage there on a career-high percentage of shots. Small sample size I know, but still interesting to me.
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Re: Juancho Hernangomez thread 

Post#34 » by Jedzz » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:04 am

Klomp wrote:
Jedzz wrote:It doesn't seem to matter who is playing what except that they dont appear to want a 7+ft statue at center. They tried to make Culver a PG for pete's sake. There are no rules on height and weight.

It's never been just about height and weight. Hernangomez could play SF, but I'm not sure that's the best plan for the team and the lineups they can create to make that possible.


Your not sure because, string bean height. I get it.
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Post#35 » by Klomp » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:08 am

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Klomp wrote:
Jedzz wrote:It doesn't seem to matter who is playing what except that they dont appear to want a 7+ft statue at center. They tried to make Culver a PG for pete's sake. There are no rules on height and weight.

It's never been just about height and weight. Hernangomez could play SF, but I'm not sure that's the best plan for the team and the lineups they can create to make that possible.


Your not sure because, string bean height. I get it.

You'll never get it.
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Re: Juancho Hernangomez thread 

Post#36 » by Jedzz » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:16 am

Klomp wrote:
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Klomp wrote:It's never been just about height and weight. Hernangomez could play SF, but I'm not sure that's the best plan for the team and the lineups they can create to make that possible.


Your not sure because, string bean height. I get it.

You'll never get it.


I'm the only one offering a possible explanation so far for all the exact type of players this team has used for PF every season. It's why Juancho and Layman play alongside 3 guards like Dlo, Beas and Okogie still, instead of owning Okogie's role and finding someone thicker for the biggest wing role that can handle the teams still using substantial sized players at PF.
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Post#37 » by Klomp » Sun Mar 1, 2020 4:53 am

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Post#38 » by Jedzz » Sun Mar 1, 2020 3:38 pm

Juancho caught fire at the end of the third and going into 4th quarter. This was a very good sign and finding players that can hit 3s late in games has always been difficult here. He made a few in a row, then missed a heat check, then came back and hit some more shortly after. Zero hesitation, buttery smooth.
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Post#39 » by Dewey » Sun Mar 1, 2020 3:44 pm

Jedzz wrote:Juancho caught fire at the end of the third and going into 4th quarter. This was a very good sign and finding players that can hit 3s late in games has always been difficult here. He made a few in a row, then missed a heat check, then came back and hit some more shortly after. Zero hesitation, buttery smooth.

If Juancho and Layman could sustain a 37-40% clip on 3’s (with friendly contracts) over a full season, that would be swell. They are not stellar defenders, but do seemingly work at it.

DLo - Beasley - Layman - Hernangomez - KAT ... 5-out
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Post#40 » by Jedzz » Sun Mar 1, 2020 3:56 pm

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Jedzz wrote:Juancho caught fire at the end of the third and going into 4th quarter. This was a very good sign and finding players that can hit 3s late in games has always been difficult here. He made a few in a row, then missed a heat check, then came back and hit some more shortly after. Zero hesitation, buttery smooth.

If Juancho and Layman could sustain a 37-40% clip on 3’s (with friendly contracts) over a full season, that would be swell. They are not stellar defenders, but do seemingly work at it.

DLo - Beasley - Layman - Hernangomez - KAT ... 5-out


If they can score 130-140 a game it might work. 8-) Defensive effort from everyone would be needed if defensive skill isn't there. I can live with that.

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