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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1761 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:25 pm

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lol

I hate Trump's guts but yeah, there's only so much damage he can do to the economy.

Better get used to it because i have a feeling he's going to win in 2020


I don't know, man. HE could eff it up royally.

Might make so damned much enmity and strife build up until only a war breaks out. THEN WHO WILL WORRY ABOUT THE ECONOMY? In the words of Mystikal... "SHEEEITTT!".

But my FAITH tells me to be content to know they'll be wars and rumors of wars. There'll be righteous leaders who exalt a nation but they're also will be tyrants, bastard in a sense of meanness/cruelty leaders AND PRINCIPALITIES of Darkness... but do not despair.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1762 » by Ruzious » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:04 pm

Should the coronavirus being beating down Wall Street? I was talking to my microbiologist friend - who said if it was called a flu, people wouldn't be paying anywhere near as much attention to it. He says the flu kills 30,000 a year in the US and 500,000 a year worldwide. I guess it's partly about expectations and what we're used to, and there will always be fear of the unknown. We don't panic when someone gets the flu and we will panic when someone gets coronavirus - even though they have roughly the same survival rate. Then again, we really don't know how contagious it will be in the US. Once it does hit the US, it'll be interesting to see how we all react or overreact.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1763 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:51 am

Ruzious wrote:Should the coronavirus being beating down Wall Street? I was talking to my microbiologist friend - who said if it was called a flu, people wouldn't be paying anywhere near as much attention to it. He says the flu kills 30,000 a year in the US and 500,000 a year worldwide. I guess it's partly about expectations and what we're used to, and there will always be fear of the unknown. We don't panic when someone gets the flu and we will panic when someone gets coronavirus - even though they have roughly the same survival rate. Then again, we really don't know how contagious it will be in the US. Once it does hit the US, it'll be interesting to see how we all react or overreact.


If everybody in the US gets the coronavirus, that's about 300 million infected. If 2% die that's 6 million people. Assume about half of those are employed (not true because working age death rates is much less than 2% but just for illustrative purposes), so 3 million contributors to GDP die. At about $50k per worker per year that's a permanent loss in economic growth for rich people of $150 billion per year. Yeah, that'll put a dent in the stock market.

But like I said, the death rate for the working age population about 10 times smaller so the actual lose to economic growth of a completely failed response to the coronavirus is about $15 billion per year, which, spread out across the entire economy, is pocket change - most of the people who die will be infants and retirees, who the stock market doesn't give a fig about. Now if the coronavirus spreads worldwide then we're talking about a lot more than 6 million people getting sick but the average income being a lot lower, so that's a more complicated calculation, but considering the US earns about a quarter of the world's income I imagine the final figure would come out to $15 billion * 4 or $60 billion annually.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1764 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:04 am

Why would you even speculate about everyone getting it?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1765 » by Kanyewest » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:05 am

A scientist I know who is doing legal for a vaccine company for the Corona virus seems to be more alarmed. IIRC, she pointed out that it is 20 times more likely to get the corona virus as opposed to the flu (via transmission). There also isn't a vaccine for the flu which takes 12 to 18 months to develop. She already ordered masks through a doctor just in case.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1766 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:57 am

No worries - Trump's put Pence in charge and assured us that everything's going to be ok. But, you might want to buy stock in the company that sells the masks.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1767 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:20 am

Ruzious wrote:Why would you even speculate about everyone getting it?


because Trump is president?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1768 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:03 pm

So sad for Trump that something he has absolutely no control over might tank the economy right before the election.

Bah, it won't, unless the last few years have in fact just been a huge bubble and is waiting for something to make it pop. And then it is Trump's fault.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1769 » by Pointgod » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:05 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Tbh, Warren has been winning the debates. She's been the best at presenting her views clearly, saying how she's going to try to pay for them, and at attacking the other Dems. Biden and Bloomberg have managed to get by without calling a woman a dog-face or a horse-face. Other than that - not so good. Biden has to win SC, or he's done. He didn't say it, but he implied it. I don't think it's a given that Sanders beats Warren - if it comes down to them. At one point, I did, but she keeps out-performing everyone.

Yep, pretty interesting that she has been winning the debates but falling in the polls.

Still thinking a brokered convention.


Elizabeth Warren has been killing the debates. She’s put out substantial policies and has put out plans to get things done. However her biggest problem is two fold, one there’s a cult of personality around Bernie Sanders which Warren will never crack. And give all the credit to Bernie’s campaign they’ve l built a ground game and have a ton of work to reach voters and turn them out. Bernie’s supporters don’t care what he said about Cuba 50 years ago they want a revolution and most will admit that he won’t get a lot of his plans passed.

On the other hand of the spectrum Warren has managed to spook away the moderate candidates by tying herself so closely to Bernie. In reality Warren is incredibly smart, capable and pragmatic. Biden, Mayo Pete and Klobachar supporters would align to Warren because she’s not trying to blow up the system or fight against her own party. She’d implement her plans in a thoughtful and pragmatic manner without blowing up the economy. But that’s her own fault for not differentiating herself from the beginning of the campaign.

I think this could pretty well be over my Super Tuesday unless Bernie’s support in the South and Midwest completely collapse. He’s going to pull a lot of delegates in California and Texas so even if it gets to a contested convention the race will pretty much be over.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1770 » by I_Like_Dirt » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:17 pm

Pointgod wrote:Elizabeth Warren has been killing the debates. She’s put out substantial policies and has put out plans to get things done. However her biggest problem is two fold, one there’s a cult of personality around Bernie Sanders which Warren will never crack. And give all the credit to Bernie’s campaign they’ve l built a ground game and have a ton of work to reach voters and turn them out. Bernie’s supporters don’t care what he said about Cuba 50 years ago they want a revolution and most will admit that he won’t get a lot of his plans passed.

On the other hand of the spectrum Warren has managed to spook away the moderate candidates by tying herself so closely to Bernie. In reality Warren is incredibly smart, capable and pragmatic. Biden, Mayo Pete and Klobachar supporters would align to Warren because she’s not trying to blow up the system or fight against her own party. She’d implement her plans in a thoughtful and pragmatic manner without blowing up the economy. But that’s her own fault for not differentiating herself from the beginning of the campaign.




I don't think it's Warren's fault. This race, like all politics lately, has become a race of extremes. People who fall anywhere in the middle ground get squeezed out. Warren is politically way out there from people like Booker and Harris but she's being squeezed out because she's still in the absolutely massive canyon that is the political middle right now. She's close to Bernie but she's not quite Bernie in terms of being extreme because, like you point out, she's pragmatic and explains how she's going to attempt to do things rather than just yelling out a list of things that are she wants to have. And while supporters of those more moderate candidates might support her, they won't do it until basically all of them drop out of the race, which isn't going to happen. I'd even suggest Andrew Yang was squeezed out for similar reasons, just different lines. He represented rather dramatic change but he wasn't revolutionary enough as a personality to really drive things home and was too revolutionary for people who wanted to think things through a bit.

That's the drawback for Warren is that it meant that she was sort of caught in the middle trying to figure out where to go next. She's been murdering the debates from the outset but as soon as the cameras go off, people find excuses to go right back to their pre-established positions. She's not going to move far enough politically to draw support from Pete, Biden, etc. and she's not going to crack Bernie's personality cult even though she stands a better chance of actually achieving some of their mutual goals.

And that's where I have an issue with a fair few Bernie supporters and even Bernie himself. This fallback into the idea that he's essentially going to be able to dictator his way into achieving some of these goals, or admitting that he won't achieve his goals but wanting him elected anyway. I don't actually think Warren would come close to achieving everything she's suggesting she will, either, but she'll get significantly more of it accomplished and that's not nothing because change is coming ever faster whether we want it to or not and the ability to at least try to functionally tackle it as it comes is going to matter. Expecting the economy to be proactive is basically begging for failure; it's already proven that it isn't proactive several times over and has actively pushed against it unless they could tilt the balance of power even more into the favor of the wealthy.

As it stands, I think Warren's best path is to hold out and get as many delegates as she can until it becomes clear that a lot of moderate candidates that simply can't win and they start deciding that Warren looks way better than Bernie for all the reasons you just described, which have been patently obvious from the start. I doubt it gets to that point as it seems like the race is dividing even more with people moving even further from whatever qualifies as a center.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1771 » by gtn130 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:31 pm

lol @ Bernie being extreme. The politics in this country is so warped by right wing media and generations of bad faith from conservative politicians
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1772 » by gtn130 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:34 pm

Pointgod wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Tbh, Warren has been winning the debates. She's been the best at presenting her views clearly, saying how she's going to try to pay for them, and at attacking the other Dems. Biden and Bloomberg have managed to get by without calling a woman a dog-face or a horse-face. Other than that - not so good. Biden has to win SC, or he's done. He didn't say it, but he implied it. I don't think it's a given that Sanders beats Warren - if it comes down to them. At one point, I did, but she keeps out-performing everyone.

Yep, pretty interesting that she has been winning the debates but falling in the polls.

Still thinking a brokered convention.


Elizabeth Warren has been killing the debates. She’s put out substantial policies and has put out plans to get things done. However her biggest problem is two fold, one there’s a cult of personality around Bernie Sanders which Warren will never crack. And give all the credit to Bernie’s campaign they’ve l built a ground game and have a ton of work to reach voters and turn them out. Bernie’s supporters don’t care what he said about Cuba 50 years ago they want a revolution and most will admit that he won’t get a lot of his plans passed.

On the other hand of the spectrum Warren has managed to spook away the moderate candidates by tying herself so closely to Bernie. In reality Warren is incredibly smart, capable and pragmatic. Biden, Mayo Pete and Klobachar supporters would align to Warren because she’s not trying to blow up the system or fight against her own party. She’d implement her plans in a thoughtful and pragmatic manner without blowing up the economy. But that’s her own fault for not differentiating herself from the beginning of the campaign.

I think this could pretty well be over my Super Tuesday unless Bernie’s support in the South and Midwest completely collapse. He’s going to pull a lot of delegates in California and Texas so even if it gets to a contested convention the race will pretty much be over.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1773 » by dckingsfan » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:19 pm

gtn130 wrote:lol @ Bernie being extreme...

First, Bernie's policies in this country are very extreme (this one isn't debatable). And certainly the most extreme of this set of candidates.

Second, even in most OECD countries many of his policies are extreme. Just one example would be the wealth taxes that have been rolled back in those countries.

Anecdotal but... when I talk to my colleagues in Brussels, Denmark and the Netherlands, they say that Bernie would be on the left there. And my guess is he would go to the left of any of them - Bernie being Bernie. Just like what Bernie has done is go to the left of Warren on every one of her policies.

And now we are talking about a Bernie ~24% payroll tax, adding 20M federal jobs, etc. ... you should be able to understand "why" some of his proposals are considered extreme.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1775 » by doclinkin » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:34 pm

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Pointgod wrote:Elizabeth Warren has been killing the debates. She’s put out substantial policies and has put out plans to get things done. However her biggest problem is two fold, one there’s a cult of personality around Bernie Sanders which Warren will never crack. And give all the credit to Bernie’s campaign they’ve l built a ground game and have a ton of work to reach voters and turn them out. Bernie’s supporters don’t care what he said about Cuba 50 years ago they want a revolution and most will admit that he won’t get a lot of his plans passed.

On the other hand of the spectrum Warren has managed to spook away the moderate candidates by tying herself so closely to Bernie. In reality Warren is incredibly smart, capable and pragmatic. Biden, Mayo Pete and Klobachar supporters would align to Warren because she’s not trying to blow up the system or fight against her own party. She’d implement her plans in a thoughtful and pragmatic manner without blowing up the economy. But that’s her own fault for not differentiating herself from the beginning of the campaign.




I don't think it's Warren's fault. This race, like all politics lately, has become a race of extremes. People who fall anywhere in the middle ground get squeezed out. Warren is politically way out there from people like Booker and Harris but she's being squeezed out because she's still in the absolutely massive canyon that is the political middle right now. She's close to Bernie but she's not quite Bernie in terms of being extreme because, like you point out, she's pragmatic and explains how she's going to attempt to do things rather than just yelling out a list of things that are she wants to have. And while supporters of those more moderate candidates might support her, they won't do it until basically all of them drop out of the race, which isn't going to happen. I'd even suggest Andrew Yang was squeezed out for similar reasons, just different lines. He represented rather dramatic change but he wasn't revolutionary enough as a personality to really drive things home and was too revolutionary for people who wanted to think things through a bit.

That's the drawback for Warren is that it meant that she was sort of caught in the middle trying to figure out where to go next. She's been murdering the debates from the outset but as soon as the cameras go off, people find excuses to go right back to their pre-established positions. She's not going to move far enough politically to draw support from Pete, Biden, etc. and she's not going to crack Bernie's personality cult even though she stands a better chance of actually achieving some of their mutual goals.

And that's where I have an issue with a fair few Bernie supporters and even Bernie himself. This fallback into the idea that he's essentially going to be able to dictator his way into achieving some of these goals, or admitting that he won't achieve his goals but wanting him elected anyway. I don't actually think Warren would come close to achieving everything she's suggesting she will, either, but she'll get significantly more of it accomplished and that's not nothing because change is coming ever faster whether we want it to or not and the ability to at least try to functionally tackle it as it comes is going to matter. Expecting the economy to be proactive is basically begging for failure; it's already proven that it isn't proactive several times over and has actively pushed against it unless they could tilt the balance of power even more into the favor of the wealthy.

As it stands, I think Warren's best path is to hold out and get as many delegates as she can until it becomes clear that a lot of moderate candidates that simply can't win and they start deciding that Warren looks way better than Bernie for all the reasons you just described, which have been patently obvious from the start. I doubt it gets to that point as it seems like the race is dividing even more with people moving even further from whatever qualifies as a center.



Bernie may tap her as a running mate. Though I bet Bernie being Bernie he will pick someone who surprises and even pisses some people off :clown:

Frankly if Warren were not our chief Executive I think she would be far more effective as Senate Majority leader under a Bernie administration. She would put smart bills in front of him that will serve as foundational building blocks to accomplish his aims, and she'd carry the moral leverage to get him to budge when he was feeling most stubborn..
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Post#1776 » by gtn130 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:37 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
gtn130 wrote:lol @ Bernie being extreme...

First, Bernie's policies in this country are very extreme (this one isn't debatable). And certainly the most extreme of this set of candidates.

Second, even in most OECD countries many of his policies are extreme. Just one example would be the wealth taxes that have been rolled back in those countries.

Anecdotal but... when I talk to my colleagues in Brussels, Denmark and the Netherlands, they say that Bernie would be on the left there. And my guess is he would go to the left of any of them - Bernie being Bernie. Just like what Bernie has done is go to the left of Warren on every one of her policies.

And now we are talking about a Bernie ~24% payroll tax... you should be able to understand "why" some of his proposals are considered extreme.


Yes, bolded is the important qualifier. He's extreme in this country because this country is incredibly conservative.

And you're going to have to show your work with "many" of his policies being "extreme" in "most" OECD countries. That simply isn't true. I'm sure you can cherry pick a policy that is more left than average - that does not render him an extremist.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1777 » by dckingsfan » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:38 pm

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Pointgod wrote:Elizabeth Warren has been killing the debates. She’s put out substantial policies and has put out plans to get things done. However her biggest problem is two fold, one there’s a cult of personality around Bernie Sanders which Warren will never crack. And give all the credit to Bernie’s campaign they’ve l built a ground game and have a ton of work to reach voters and turn them out. Bernie’s supporters don’t care what he said about Cuba 50 years ago they want a revolution and most will admit that he won’t get a lot of his plans passed.

On the other hand of the spectrum Warren has managed to spook away the moderate candidates by tying herself so closely to Bernie. In reality Warren is incredibly smart, capable and pragmatic. Biden, Mayo Pete and Klobachar supporters would align to Warren because she’s not trying to blow up the system or fight against her own party. She’d implement her plans in a thoughtful and pragmatic manner without blowing up the economy. But that’s her own fault for not differentiating herself from the beginning of the campaign.

I don't think it's Warren's fault. This race, like all politics lately, has become a race of extremes. People who fall anywhere in the middle ground get squeezed out. Warren is politically way out there from people like Booker and Harris but she's being squeezed out because she's still in the absolutely massive canyon that is the political middle right now. She's close to Bernie but she's not quite Bernie in terms of being extreme because, like you point out, she's pragmatic and explains how she's going to attempt to do things rather than just yelling out a list of things that are she wants to have. And while supporters of those more moderate candidates might support her, they won't do it until basically all of them drop out of the race, which isn't going to happen. I'd even suggest Andrew Yang was squeezed out for similar reasons, just different lines. He represented rather dramatic change but he wasn't revolutionary enough as a personality to really drive things home and was too revolutionary for people who wanted to think things through a bit.

That's the drawback for Warren is that it meant that she was sort of caught in the middle trying to figure out where to go next. She's been murdering the debates from the outset but as soon as the cameras go off, people find excuses to go right back to their pre-established positions. She's not going to move far enough politically to draw support from Pete, Biden, etc. and she's not going to crack Bernie's personality cult even though she stands a better chance of actually achieving some of their mutual goals.

And that's where I have an issue with a fair few Bernie supporters and even Bernie himself. This fallback into the idea that he's essentially going to be able to dictator his way into achieving some of these goals, or admitting that he won't achieve his goals but wanting him elected anyway. I don't actually think Warren would come close to achieving everything she's suggesting she will, either, but she'll get significantly more of it accomplished and that's not nothing because change is coming ever faster whether we want it to or not and the ability to at least try to functionally tackle it as it comes is going to matter. Expecting the economy to be proactive is basically begging for failure; it's already proven that it isn't proactive several times over and has actively pushed against it unless they could tilt the balance of power even more into the favor of the wealthy.

As it stands, I think Warren's best path is to hold out and get as many delegates as she can until it becomes clear that a lot of moderate candidates that simply can't win and they start deciding that Warren looks way better than Bernie for all the reasons you just described, which have been patently obvious from the start. I doubt it gets to that point as it seems like the race is dividing even more with people moving even further from whatever qualifies as a center.

Bernie may tap jher as a running mate. Though I bet Bernie being Bernie he will pick someone who surprises and even pisses some people off :clown:

Frankly if Warren were not our chief Executive I think she would be far more effective as Senate Majority leader under a Bernie administration. She would put smart bills in front of him that will serve as foundational building blocks to accomplish his aims, and she'd carry the moral leverage to get him to budge when he was feeling most stubborn..

I think if Bernie is the candidate - we aren't taking the senate, right?
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Post#1778 » by doclinkin » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:45 pm

dckingsfan wrote:I think if Bernie is the candidate - we aren't taking the senate, right?


I think if Bernie were the President, it's because of a wave similar to the one that washed out the House and put AOC in front of cameras.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1779 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:57 pm

way too soon but looooool at the stock market crashing again today.

Here's a hypothesis for you: Trump's billionaire co-conspirators have been trying to prop up stock markets to hide the damage Trump's idiot trade war did on the world economy. Coronavirus is the pinprick that burst the bubble.

Probably not.

OR MAYBE...????
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVII 

Post#1780 » by dckingsfan » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:07 pm

doclinkin wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:I think if Bernie is the candidate - we aren't taking the senate, right?

I think if Bernie were the President, it's because of a wave similar to the one that washed out the House and put AOC in front of cameras.

Reasonable opinion - but I think that was mostly moderates doing the heavy lifting... so, I would respectfully disagree that 2018 would be reflected with a Bernie POTUS run.

I think it would need to be a Obama like run where folks that didn't vote before came out.

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