Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[newyorker4ever]

Jerome Robinson, remember how we couldn't even get him from the clippers for free, with the game winner against Brooklyn.

I was on here saying we should of got him sent to us in the deal but had some people replying to me saying he was a bum. I replied saying that he was just young and hadn't gotten much playing time being with the Clippers cause they're stacked. Either way i guess we needed the 3rd team to make the deal go through and Wash was smart enough to jump in and get him.

[spree2kawhi]

Jerome Robinson, remember how we couldn't even get him from the clippers for free, with the game winner against Brooklyn.

I was on here saying we should of got him sent to us in the deal but had some people replying to me saying he was a bum. I replied saying that he was just young and hadn't gotten much playing time being with the Clippers cause they're stacked. Either way i guess we needed the 3rd team to make the deal go through and Wash was smart enough to jump in and get him.

For Robinson Washington sent Isaiah to LA, who the Clippers then waived him instantly. I can't believe we preferred the rights to the kid whose name I've forgotten already. Nonsense...

[digitaldropoff]

Two "realistic" off-season acquisition targets that I think would fit well with Mitch/RJ: Hield and Jerami Grant. Just putting those two out there.

Grant should be obtainable...it's a weak FA market, so I think he'll opt out. Hield on the other hand is going to cost a lotto pick. I think they'd fire Luke Walton before they'd take back a weak offer for Hield.

[moocow007]

Like a broken record...

If Rose's plan is to use his contacts and reach (and super agent ability) to try to build through free agency 2021 then they need to be doing whatever they can to land a bonafide player in the 2020 offseason. From a free agency standpoint (assuming the obvious that Anthony Davis isn't leaving the Lakers after this season) the guy that would make the most sense would be Brandon Ingram. Of course since the Pelicans can always offer him much more money, the Knicks may want to think about possibly doing a sign and trade. It'll cost but if the big picture is to lure a big name player to sign, you need to have a ready made Robin or Co-Batman on the team. Signing a couple middle tier guys and hoping you get something in the draft lottery can't be the only plan. That'll most likely fail.

[newyorker4ever]

Two "realistic" off-season acquisition targets that I think would fit well with Mitch/RJ: Hield and Jerami Grant. Just putting those two out there.

Grant should be obtainable...it's a weak FA market, so I think he'll opt out. Hield on the other hand is going to cost a lotto pick. I think they'd fire Luke Walton before they'd take back a weak offer for Hield.

I don't understand why so many are on the sign J.Grant thing right now. I like the guy but he's the kind of piece you add when you already have two star players and you 're looking to fill in the pieces around them. We need to save our cap space and draft picks until we get those two star players. It could take a while but eventually there will be a team that's ready to move on from a big name, big money type player and that's what we need to have all the cap space and assets for. They aren't just gonna come here in free agency cause we've ruined the Knicks name/brand over the last however many years so we gotta trade for them when they're already signed to their contracts and still have 3-4-5 years left on their deals. Then we can fill in the pieces around them.

[newyorker4ever]

Like a broken record...

If Rose's plan is to use his contacts and reach (and super agent ability) to try to build through free agency 2021 then they need to be doing whatever they can to land a bonafide player in the 2020 offseason. From a free agency standpoint (assuming the obvious that Anthony Davis isn't leaving the Lakers after this season) the guy that would make the most sense would be Brandon Ingram. Of course since the Pelicans can always offer him much more money, the Knicks may want to think about possibly doing a sign and trade. It'll cost but if the big picture is to lure a big name player to sign, you need to have a ready made Robin or Co-Batman on the team. Signing a couple middle tier guys and hoping you get something in the draft lottery can't be the only plan. That'll most likely fail.

B.Ingram is a really good player but do you really think we should be handing out max deals to really good players or just wait it out until a true super star type player comes on the trade market? I really really like Ingram but he's not gonna be a #1 type player that will take the team any further than the playoffs and that's only if we add good pieces with him.

[digitaldropoff]

Two "realistic" off-season acquisition targets that I think would fit well with Mitch/RJ: Hield and Jerami Grant. Just putting those two out there.

Grant should be obtainable...it's a weak FA market, so I think he'll opt out. Hield on the other hand is going to cost a lotto pick. I think they'd fire Luke Walton before they'd take back a weak offer for Hield.

I don't understand why so many are on the sign J.Grant thing right now. I like the guy but he's the kind of piece you add when you already have two star players and you 're looking to fill in the pieces around them. We need to save our cap space and draft picks until we get those two star players. It could take a while but eventually there will be a team that's ready to move on from a big name, big money type player and that's what we need to have all the cap space and assets for. They aren't just gonna come here in free agency cause we've ruined the Knicks name/brand over the last however many years so we gotta trade for them when they're already signed to their contracts and still have 3-4-5 years left on their deals. Then we can fill in the pieces around them.

I would agree. Grant has that Ariza like game, where he's not first or second option by any stretch, but a great glue guy to add. The market is weak this summer, but at the same time, the cap slipping a bit will lesson what some of these guys are actually hoping to get. He's going to opt out of 9 million next year, one would think he's going to look for at very least a 3 year, 36 million dollar deal....my guess is he probably finds a suitor at 4 years, 60. I could easily see the Knicks being that team.

[moocow007]

Like a broken record...

If Rose's plan is to use his contacts and reach (and super agent ability) to try to build through free agency 2021 then they need to be doing whatever they can to land a bonafide player in the 2020 offseason. From a free agency standpoint (assuming the obvious that Anthony Davis isn't leaving the Lakers after this season) the guy that would make the most sense would be Brandon Ingram. Of course since the Pelicans can always offer him much more money, the Knicks may want to think about possibly doing a sign and trade. It'll cost but if the big picture is to lure a big name player to sign, you need to have a ready made Robin or Co-Batman on the team. Signing a couple middle tier guys and hoping you get something in the draft lottery can't be the only plan. That'll most likely fail.

B.Ingram is a really good player but do you really think we should be handing out max deals to really good players or just wait it out until a true super star type player comes on the trade market? I really really like Ingram but he's not gonna be a #1 type player that will take the team any further than the playoffs and that's only if we add good pieces with him.

The problem is I don't know how often superstar players come on the trade market unless we're talking about those that have already passed their prime. And superstar players will cost a lot more assets than the Knicks have to offer...in no thanks to their inability to draft or develop or retain top tier assets. Landing a Robin type player, a Beta to some eventual Alpha would IMO be worth the max especially if we're talking about a Beta that is just peaking and who will only cost the lowest max tier. Max contracts come in 3 tiers based on years in the league (roughly $25, $30 and $35 million a year to start). Ingram would only be 23 and his max would start at "only" about $25 million. If you go swing for the fences and miss in 2021, what you still have is the ability to (as a fall back) develop based on youth (he'd only be 24 at that time). Obviously the Knicks need to prove to potential big name free agents that they already have talent on the team and that all they are waiting for is an Alpha to lead them. Ingram as a beta is definitely viable. He shoots, he passes, he creates for others, defends and he's only going to get better.

[digitaldropoff]

Like a broken record...

If Rose's plan is to use his contacts and reach (and super agent ability) to try to build through free agency 2021 then they need to be doing whatever they can to land a bonafide player in the 2020 offseason. From a free agency standpoint (assuming the obvious that Anthony Davis isn't leaving the Lakers after this season) the guy that would make the most sense would be Brandon Ingram. Of course since the Pelicans can always offer him much more money, the Knicks may want to think about possibly doing a sign and trade. It'll cost but if the big picture is to lure a big name player to sign, you need to have a ready made Robin or Co-Batman on the team. Signing a couple middle tier guys and hoping you get something in the draft lottery can't be the only plan. That'll most likely fail.

B.Ingram is a really good player but do you really think we should be handing out max deals to really good players or just wait it out until a true super star type player comes on the trade market? I really really like Ingram but he's not gonna be a #1 type player that will take the team any further than the playoffs and that's only if we add good pieces with him.

The problem is I don't know how often superstar players come on the trade market unless we're talking about those that have already passed their prime. And superstar players will cost a lot more assets than the Knicks have to offer...in no thanks to their inability to draft or develop or retain top tier assets. Landing a Robin type player, a Beta to some eventual Alpha would IMO be worth the max especially if we're talking about a Beta that is just peaking and who will only cost the lowest max tier. Max contracts come in 3 tiers based on years in the league (roughly $25, $30 and $35 million a year to start). Ingram would only be 23 and his max would start at "only" about $25 million. If you go swing for the fences and miss in 2021, what you still have is the ability to (as a fall back) develop based on youth (he'd only be 24 at that time). Obviously the Knicks need to prove to potential big name free agents that they already have talent on the team and that all they are waiting for is an Alpha to lead them. Ingram as a beta is definitely viable. He shoots, he passes, he creates for others, defends and he's only going to get better.

The Hornets have positioned themselves to where I don't see how they'll give up Ingram. They've got plenty of cash and there's no way they view Lonzo as a max player, so those deals are going to be used on Ingram and eventually Zion. I think your premise is right though, you'll need to gamble eventually and not just hope and pray that two stars all of the sudden think the Knicks are cool because Lenny Rose is the GM. I just don't know if Ingram is going to be available....or I guess there's no offer they wouldn't match if it even got that far. I could see the Knicks making a play for Derozan, Porter, or Drummond this summer. Not what I would do, but they do have to attempt something other than waiting each big crop to swing and miss.

[and13]

Signing Derozan or Drummond would be catastrophc and so would be overpaying to trade for a second tier star.
Right now we got a couple of young prospects, a ton of picks and no bad contracts. We're in a pretty good place.
The ideal thing for me would be to draft Antman and try to get some talent with the other two picks.
Try to trade Randle and DSj for Conley(1 year contract).
Overpay for one year Galo, with mabye a TO for a second year.
Get a vet center with a 3p

IMO the roster should look like:

pg Conley-Frank-rookie
sg Antman-Dot or Trier
sf RJ-Bullock-Knox
pf Galo-rookie(Sylla?)
c Mitch-Marc or Baynes


That way you got enough vet presence and expirience to go for a playoff push while playing and developing your young talent away from toxic tanking enviroment and keep two max slots for 2021.
The vets we get are acomplished winners and not portis and randle trying to prove they're nba caliber players.
I'm not sure if Timbs would be the right coach for that. Jay Wright would be my no1 choice for a young team that wants to build from scratch.

[Knicksfan1992]

Like a broken record...

If Rose's plan is to use his contacts and reach (and super agent ability) to try to build through free agency 2021 then they need to be doing whatever they can to land a bonafide player in the 2020 offseason. From a free agency standpoint (assuming the obvious that Anthony Davis isn't leaving the Lakers after this season) the guy that would make the most sense would be Brandon Ingram. Of course since the Pelicans can always offer him much more money, the Knicks may want to think about possibly doing a sign and trade. It'll cost but if the big picture is to lure a big name player to sign, you need to have a ready made Robin or Co-Batman on the team. Signing a couple middle tier guys and hoping you get something in the draft lottery can't be the only plan. That'll most likely fail.

I completely co-sign on signing Ingram at all costs if you think it's a possibility. He's the perfect potential robin to the batman you either draft or sign. Has become a reliable shooter, good secondary ball handler and decision maker, and is pretty good on defense.

I also would like Van Vleet as a less than max guy.

[moocow007]

Any chance we can convince MJ to do a sign and trade for Ingram involving Randle, both Dallas draft picks and the Clippers pick?

[newyorker4ever]

Any chance we can convince MJ to do a sign and trade for Ingram involving Randle, both Dallas draft picks and the Clippers pick?

Ingram of the Pelicans?

[Jimmit79]

Any chance we can convince MJ to do a sign and trade for Ingram involving Randle, both Dallas draft picks and the Clippers pick?

Ingram of the Pelicans?

He's talking about a janitor michael jordan working for pelicans lol.

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[Esq-4]

I very much doubt that NOP don't match on Ingram. Like one poster said, his max is on the lower end. He also seems to be a good fit with Zion.

That said, what are the thoughts on swapping one Dukie for another? No, not RJ for Zion, but RJ for Ingram so Zion and RJ reunite. Not saying I'd do it, but figured I'd toss it out there...

[spree2kawhi]

Grant should be obtainable...it's a weak FA market, so I think he'll opt out. Hield on the other hand is going to cost a lotto pick. I think they'd fire Luke Walton before they'd take back a weak offer for Hield.

I don't understand why so many are on the sign J.Grant thing right now. I like the guy but he's the kind of piece you add when you already have two star players and you 're looking to fill in the pieces around them. We need to save our cap space and draft picks until we get those two star players. It could take a while but eventually there will be a team that's ready to move on from a big name, big money type player and that's what we need to have all the cap space and assets for. They aren't just gonna come here in free agency cause we've ruined the Knicks name/brand over the last however many years so we gotta trade for them when they're already signed to their contracts and still have 3-4-5 years left on their deals. Then we can fill in the pieces around them.

I would agree. Grant has that Ariza like game, where he's not first or second option by any stretch, but a great glue guy to add. The market is weak this summer, but at the same time, the cap slipping a bit will lesson what some of these guys are actually hoping to get. He's going to opt out of 9 million next year, one would think he's going to look for at very least a 3 year, 36 million dollar deal....my guess is he probably finds a suitor at 4 years, 60. I could easily see the Knicks being that team.

No I disagree. Grant obviously is not a go to guy, but he's also not just your average glue guy. He's a legit monster down low, unbelievable athlete, shot blocker and shooter. Relentless motor, he finishes everything.

He's not a glue guy, but possibly the best there can be. Him next to Mitch would be crazy (and that's still an understatement) and he's also plus 40% from three.

His skill level is ridiculous. This is a special situation.

[KnicksGadfly]

Stars aren't gonna go to a team with Portis, Randle, Ellington, etc.

They'll come, however, if we can begin developing our yoots to hit their potential. Grant is not the only option for me, but I like his fit as a PF and the way he would empower our young guys. I'm on-board to get 1 or 2 solid vets this year. Not the discount trash we've been overpaying (and that includes Randle)

[spree2kawhi]

Stars aren't gonna go to a team with Portis, Randle, Ellington, etc.

They'll come, however, if we can begin developing our yoots to hit their potential. Grant is not the only option for me, but I like his fit as a PF and the way he would empower our young guys. I'm on-board to get 1 or 2 solid vets this year. Not the discount trash we've been overpaying (and that includes Randle)

Absolutely. I look at it like this:

1) Denver wouldn't agree to a sign and trade of Jerami Grant for Julius Randle.

That's how good Grant and how bad Randle is. They couldn't pair Randle with Jokic, so they wouldn't want to have him. It's the same reason why we can't play any NBA-level lineup including Julius Fumble.

2) Assuming we could sign Grant in summer, we could suddenly play Randle and Mitch at center with Grant protecting the rim and stretching the floor at PF. That's how good Grant is. It's not about being a go to guy. Randle is a go to guy, but clearly the inferior player to me. A potential front court of Mitch+Grant has me drooling, plus we could cover up Randle's deficiencies if we can't move him in the offseason. Hell, grant can be a small ball 5, so look for Houston (and most of the other teams) to also go after him hard.

3) Denver will probably try to re-sign him too as he's perfect next to Randle and Mitch on the one hand, but also next to Jokic on the other.

[digitaldropoff]

I don't understand why so many are on the sign J.Grant thing right now. I like the guy but he's the kind of piece you add when you already have two star players and you 're looking to fill in the pieces around them. We need to save our cap space and draft picks until we get those two star players. It could take a while but eventually there will be a team that's ready to move on from a big name, big money type player and that's what we need to have all the cap space and assets for. They aren't just gonna come here in free agency cause we've ruined the Knicks name/brand over the last however many years so we gotta trade for them when they're already signed to their contracts and still have 3-4-5 years left on their deals. Then we can fill in the pieces around them.

I would agree. Grant has that Ariza like game, where he's not first or second option by any stretch, but a great glue guy to add. The market is weak this summer, but at the same time, the cap slipping a bit will lesson what some of these guys are actually hoping to get. He's going to opt out of 9 million next year, one would think he's going to look for at very least a 3 year, 36 million dollar deal....my guess is he probably finds a suitor at 4 years, 60. I could easily see the Knicks being that team.

No I disagree. Grant obviously is not a go to guy, but he's also not just your average glue guy. He's a legit monster down low, unbelievable athlete, shot blocker and shooter. Relentless motor, he finishes everything.

He's not a glue guy, but possibly the best there can be. Him next to Mitch would be crazy (and that's still an understatement) and he's also plus 40% from three.

His skill level is ridiculous. This is a special situation.

Good athlete, good shooter, good defender....how is that not a little like Trevor Ariza?

We basically agree...you just see the term glue guy as a diss. Draymond Green is the epitome of a glue guy and he's going to be making 22 million dollars next season.

[spree2kawhi]

I would agree. Grant has that Ariza like game, where he's not first or second option by any stretch, but a great glue guy to add. The market is weak this summer, but at the same time, the cap slipping a bit will lesson what some of these guys are actually hoping to get. He's going to opt out of 9 million next year, one would think he's going to look for at very least a 3 year, 36 million dollar deal....my guess is he probably finds a suitor at 4 years, 60. I could easily see the Knicks being that team.

No I disagree. Grant obviously is not a go to guy, but he's also not just your average glue guy. He's a legit monster down low, unbelievable athlete, shot blocker and shooter. Relentless motor, he finishes everything.

He's not a glue guy, but possibly the best there can be. Him next to Mitch would be crazy (and that's still an understatement) and he's also plus 40% from three.

His skill level is ridiculous. This is a special situation.

Good athlete, good shooter, good defender....how is that not a little like Trevor Ariza?

We basically agree...you just see the term glue guy as a diss. Draymond Green is the epitome of a glue guy and he's going to be making 22 million dollars next season.

Of course we agree in general. I love glue guys and want us to finally add some, but in this case I only view the player (Grant) as a little more than just that. Unlike Ariza, we're talking about a high-flying shot blocker, not merely a good, but an absolutely great athlete.

While this is not a star in the conventional sense, the way he'd enable us to use different, limited players (Mitch+Randle) and rotations is absolutely outstanding to me and more valuable than anything Randle can do at the peak of his game.

Grant has been shooting above 39% from three for two straight years and around 35% his entire career. He is not a star, but he offers a combination of skills that Ariza, Covington etc can't match.