Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[ProspectPark]

Trying to predict the most realistic trades Sean Marks can make in the summer.

I’m not saying I’m 100% for any of these trades but here are a few that make sense in terms of salaries going in and out. We probably will have to attach some picks in some of these trades.

I understand because of Kyrie’s health, Dinwiddie seems untouchable, but adding 1 or even 2 backup point guards this off season would allow us to trade Dinwiddie before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Free agent point guards:

Dragic
Teague
Augustine (KD connection)
Napier
Trey Burke
Collison
Rivers
Mudiay
Raul Neto
Dellavedova (Kyrie connection)
Alec Burks
Tyler Johnson

Anyone like any of these trades in case Beal and Holiday are not available?

[ProspectPark]

3nD wing free agents KD and Kyrie should be recruiting:

James Johnson
6’7 240lbs
Can be our small ball 5

Maurice Harkless
6’7 220lbs only 26 years old
Perfect 3nD wing

[haosmoove]

Holiday is a better fit than Beal. As Prok already pointed out, there is a diminishing return on offense with Kyrie, Beal and KD, no matter how much you stagger the minutes. If injury happens to one of them, then Beal may become a better fit, but we shouldn't be invested in that scenario. We aren't going to compete for the title if we don't have all 3 healthy, so it's pretty irrelevant scenario IMO. We have a 3 year window for the ring so the 3 year age difference shouldn't matter for us. It may even be beneficial since that means Holiday would have less market value and cost less to us.

As for possible trades, I am concerned that the Pelicans may not like Levert or Prince. Even though Langdon was part of the FO that drafted him, but he's just a bad fit with Favors, zion, Ingram and Ball due to lack of shooting. Prince may not have too much trade value due to his contract and performance, he's most likely just a salary filler. We may have to attach other assets (Din, picks, Kurucs/Musa) or involve a 3rd team.

Aaron Gordon makes sense theoretically. His ability to guard both wings fits what the Nets need. He's still young, maybe a change of scenery can unlock his offensive upside. But are we willing to gamble with our tight championship window and bank on an improvement? IMO his current play is not a difference maker in making us a contender. It all depends on what we give up for him. Dream scenario is to have both Holiday and Gordon obviously.

I may be the minority here in wanting to be patient with Musa. His G-League stats show he does belong in the NBA, although his NBA stats show the contrary. I am willing to give him another year to prove that his struggle in the big league this year was due to small sample/bad luck/mental block, etc. Also, trading him at this point is selling at the absolute lowest. The worst case scenario is he busts and we get nothing back for him in a year. But the opportunity cost isn't that high given what some of you were suggesting in return (late 1st / early 2nds)

[Prokorov]

On the other hand, a scoring punch of Kyrie-Beal-KD would be unstoppable, and make us instant title favorites. Beal is a terrible defender right now, as he is focused on getting his numbers, but the dude can play solid defense, I think he has shown that in his career when he has bothered to play defense. Our last game against Wizards was a good example, he was playing tough defense that game (and how Kyrie ended up having that knee injury). I'll agree that Jrue is the better fit, mostly because the cost should be significantly less to get him, compared to Beal, and Jrue is a top tier defender. But don't underestimate how good Beal is, and he's still only 26, entering the prime of his career. Beal can handle the ball fine, is used to playing off ball, and like you've mentioned, we can stagger lineups. Also if Kyrie goes down, Beal is good enough to step up and replace that scoring punch.

Would it be unstoppable. im not sure it would because we would then have 3 guys who need the ball instead of 2. and like, how much better is our offensw with Beal as the #3 guy as opposed to say Harris who stretches the floor the same way and doesnt need the ball?

There is a point of diminishing returns when you add too many ball dominant scorers. We know 2 of them works. 3 sometimes does but even than typically the #3 guy sees a big drop off.

I wouldnt be against beal, but id rather go another route for more of a defender/shooter Klay type than another Kyrie

Beal has shown the ability to play off ball fine, he is used to playing next to a ball dominant PG like Wall. Beal's usage rate had never even went above 30% until this season. Beal also came into the league having a reputation of elite shooter potential, and while his 3pt shooting has declined over the past few seasons with high volume scoring, he's still a high volume, above average shooting threat. It's ridiculous to think that having Beal instead of Joe Harris wouldn't make a massive positive difference in our offense. They don't play the same positions regardless, so I'm not sure what the point is.

There's no "Klay type" in the league, there's only one Klay, and we can't get him. There also aren't many genuine high level 3&D guys in the league, and they tend to be overvalued because every team wants them or can use them. You can always have one of Kyrie & Beal on the floor at all times by staggering minutes, and Beal can step up big time, if Kyrie is out with injury. I'm not suggesting that we should definitely make a trade for Beal or anything, but it is a possibility that should be considered.

Beal being able to play off the ball isnt really relevant. The point isnt that he can or cant do something. the idea is that you get diminish returns the more high usage players you add.

Yeah he played off-ball next to wall. But wall is also a guy who was top 5 in assist rate for most of his prime and who maxed out at 18 FGA a game. Wall was the clear #2 option if not #1b. And even then, Beal really didnt take off putting up efficient all-star numbers until wall went down and he played more as the #1.

here he would have durant taking 18-20 shots and kyrie taking 18-20 shots. him being good off ball is great but we can have Joe harris sit in the wings and corners waitint to shoot catch-and-shoot threes without having to give up all of our depth.

I think in any "big 3" your 3rd guy needs to be more than just another scorer. Bosh was an excellent defender, floor spacing big, and rebounder. Love was a great rebounder and floor spacing big. Klay was an all-nba level defender.

im not saying id be upset with Beal, I just dont think if you replace dinwiddie/levert/allen with beal that it moves the needle much.

the one argument id give beal is that its great Kyrie insurance. and you sitll have to scoring stars if kyrie is hurt.

Id lean more towards Jrue or even a small upgrade of like Ibaka

[Claud]

If we don't trade anyone and keep the core intact, Ibaka would be someone we MUST target and I'm sure KD is recruiting already.

We need a big that can bang/play D/Stretch the floor.

Beal would be awesome and great insurance in case on Ky's injury but we need a better fit, I agree with prok.

I'd still trade Dinwiddie or Levert + Fro/ + pieces for Beal though.

[Prokorov]

1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

I dont know if this moves the needle. You could sell me that Ross is a step up from prince. But does Gordon playing a position of less need (Wing/Small 4) move the needle more than dinwiddie at a position of bigger need and risk (G/Backup PG)? Without KD this makes more sense to me. With KD i dont love it

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

Why for orlando?

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

I dont think Kurucs closes the gap between lavine and Levert.

Lavine is a 24 year old 26/5/5 player on very good efficency (46/38/82 w/ 57 TS%.)
Levert is a 25 year old 16/4/4 player on very poor efficiency (39/39/71 w/ 49 TS%)

The bulls arent really in a position where they want to turn lavine into 50 or 75 cents on the dollar. if they did move LAvine it is more likely they would try and package him with Markanen for a bigger name/elite draft picks as opposed to trading him for multiple pieces.

Gordon and Lavine are just younger slightly healthier, more efficient versions of levert who have the benefit of being jaw dropping above the rim players who have value in bringing in fans a bit. to get one of those guys, Dinwiddie would have to be involved.

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

Value wise this is closer, but why do the bulls do it? it doesnt really make them all that much better on the court (if ti does at all?). and if the bulls are going to package LAvine and satoransky they would probably look to get 1 good player instead of 3 lesser players

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

see above

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

Love this. value is ok. for the spurs its like making a trade just to trade. we maybe add the philly pick?

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

i think it works better expanding this to 3 teams with derozan going elsewhere.

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

not an oubre guy but on paper it makes sense

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Allen is younger and better than Dieng. this is a really bad trade for us both value wise and winning wise

[Prokorov]

Holiday is a better fit than Beal. As Prok already pointed out, there is a diminishing return on offense with Kyrie, Beal and KD, no matter how much you stagger the minutes. If injury happens to one of them, then Beal may become a better fit, but we shouldn't be invested in that scenario. We aren't going to compete for the title if we don't have all 3 healthy, so it's pretty irrelevant scenario IMO. We have a 3 year window for the ring so the 3 year age difference shouldn't matter for us. It may even be beneficial since that means Holiday would have less market value and cost less to us.

As for possible trades, I am concerned that the Pelicans may not like Levert or Prince. Even though Langdon was part of the FO that drafted him, but he's just a bad fit with Favors, zion, Ingram and Ball due to lack of shooting. Prince may not have too much trade value due to his contract and performance, he's most likely just a salary filler. We may have to attach other assets (Din, picks, Kurucs/Musa) or involve a 3rd team.

Aaron Gordon makes sense theoretically. His ability to guard both wings fits what the Nets need. He's still young, maybe a change of scenery can unlock his offensive upside. But are we willing to gamble with our tight championship window and bank on an improvement? IMO his current play is not a difference maker in making us a contender. It all depends on what we give up for him. Dream scenario is to have both Holiday and Gordon obviously.

I may be the minority here in wanting to be patient with Musa. His G-League stats show he does belong in the NBA, although his NBA stats show the contrary. I am willing to give him another year to prove that his struggle in the big league this year was due to small sample/bad luck/mental block, etc. Also, trading him at this point is selling at the absolute lowest. The worst case scenario is he busts and we get nothing back for him in a year. But the opportunity cost isn't that high given what some of you were suggesting in return (late 1st / early 2nds)

Musa was like what the 28th or 30th pick overall? i dont think you can be a bust there. a lrge portion of guys picked there dont make it in the nba

[haosmoove]

Holiday is a better fit than Beal. As Prok already pointed out, there is a diminishing return on offense with Kyrie, Beal and KD, no matter how much you stagger the minutes. If injury happens to one of them, then Beal may become a better fit, but we shouldn't be invested in that scenario. We aren't going to compete for the title if we don't have all 3 healthy, so it's pretty irrelevant scenario IMO. We have a 3 year window for the ring so the 3 year age difference shouldn't matter for us. It may even be beneficial since that means Holiday would have less market value and cost less to us.

As for possible trades, I am concerned that the Pelicans may not like Levert or Prince. Even though Langdon was part of the FO that drafted him, but he's just a bad fit with Favors, zion, Ingram and Ball due to lack of shooting. Prince may not have too much trade value due to his contract and performance, he's most likely just a salary filler. We may have to attach other assets (Din, picks, Kurucs/Musa) or involve a 3rd team.

Aaron Gordon makes sense theoretically. His ability to guard both wings fits what the Nets need. He's still young, maybe a change of scenery can unlock his offensive upside. But are we willing to gamble with our tight championship window and bank on an improvement? IMO his current play is not a difference maker in making us a contender. It all depends on what we give up for him. Dream scenario is to have both Holiday and Gordon obviously.

I may be the minority here in wanting to be patient with Musa. His G-League stats show he does belong in the NBA, although his NBA stats show the contrary. I am willing to give him another year to prove that his struggle in the big league this year was due to small sample/bad luck/mental block, etc. Also, trading him at this point is selling at the absolute lowest. The worst case scenario is he busts and we get nothing back for him in a year. But the opportunity cost isn't that high given what some of you were suggesting in return (late 1st / early 2nds)

Musa was like what the 28th or 30th pick overall? i dont think you can be a bust there. a lrge portion of guys picked there dont make it in the nba

That's one of the reason why I am not ready to give up on Musa yet. If we trade him now, the return is likely an equivalent of late first or more likely 2nd round pick.

I am still holding out hope that his G-League stats hold more credibility than his NBA stats. (larger sample size) When we drafted him, we were expecting Musa to be two years away from being ready. We should stay patient and see his development through for at least one more year.

[Papi_swav]

Trying to predict the most realistic trades Sean Marks can make in the summer.

I’m not saying I’m 100% for any of these trades but here are a few that make sense in terms of salaries going in and out. We probably will have to attach some picks in some of these trades.

I understand because of Kyrie’s health, Dinwiddie seems untouchable, but adding 1 or even 2 backup point guards this off season would allow us to trade Dinwiddie before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Free agent point guards:

Dragic
Teague
Augustine (KD connection)
Napier
Trey Burke
Collison
Rivers
Mudiay
Raul Neto
Dellavedova (Kyrie connection)
Alec Burks
Tyler Johnson

Anyone like any of these trades in case Beal and Holiday are not available?

1. nah
2. Sure
3. Yes
4. No
5. No
6. Maybe
7. Heck no
8. Yes
9. Noooooooo

Point: anyone of these guys will do for our 3rd stringer.. except Della, Rivers and Mudiay.

I've said countless times I want Harkless here. We need a wing.. a 2/3 wing and a 3/4 wing.. a backup PG.. a backup 4.

My wishes off the top of my head:
Harkless
Ibaka
Augustine
Jrue
Oubre
Gay
Marvin Williams
Morris

I hope we can get 2 of those guys.

[Prokorov]

Holiday is a better fit than Beal. As Prok already pointed out, there is a diminishing return on offense with Kyrie, Beal and KD, no matter how much you stagger the minutes. If injury happens to one of them, then Beal may become a better fit, but we shouldn't be invested in that scenario. We aren't going to compete for the title if we don't have all 3 healthy, so it's pretty irrelevant scenario IMO. We have a 3 year window for the ring so the 3 year age difference shouldn't matter for us. It may even be beneficial since that means Holiday would have less market value and cost less to us.

As for possible trades, I am concerned that the Pelicans may not like Levert or Prince. Even though Langdon was part of the FO that drafted him, but he's just a bad fit with Favors, zion, Ingram and Ball due to lack of shooting. Prince may not have too much trade value due to his contract and performance, he's most likely just a salary filler. We may have to attach other assets (Din, picks, Kurucs/Musa) or involve a 3rd team.

Aaron Gordon makes sense theoretically. His ability to guard both wings fits what the Nets need. He's still young, maybe a change of scenery can unlock his offensive upside. But are we willing to gamble with our tight championship window and bank on an improvement? IMO his current play is not a difference maker in making us a contender. It all depends on what we give up for him. Dream scenario is to have both Holiday and Gordon obviously.

I may be the minority here in wanting to be patient with Musa. His G-League stats show he does belong in the NBA, although his NBA stats show the contrary. I am willing to give him another year to prove that his struggle in the big league this year was due to small sample/bad luck/mental block, etc. Also, trading him at this point is selling at the absolute lowest. The worst case scenario is he busts and we get nothing back for him in a year. But the opportunity cost isn't that high given what some of you were suggesting in return (late 1st / early 2nds)

Musa was like what the 28th or 30th pick overall? i dont think you can be a bust there. a lrge portion of guys picked there dont make it in the nba

That's one of the reason why I am not ready to give up on Musa yet. If we trade him now, the return is likely an equivalent of late first or more likely 2nd round pick.

I am still holding out hope that his G-League stats hold more credibility than his NBA stats. (larger sample size) When we drafted him, we were expecting Musa to be two years away from being ready. We should stay patient and see his development through for at least one more year.

for me i look at it like anyone you draft in the 30 or later range you hope can be a 10th man but odds are will never take off their warmup in an NBA game. us being "win now" with KD makes it even more likely id want to move him. but i also but 0 stock in t=G-league stats.

[Prokorov]

Trying to predict the most realistic trades Sean Marks can make in the summer.

I’m not saying I’m 100% for any of these trades but here are a few that make sense in terms of salaries going in and out. We probably will have to attach some picks in some of these trades.

I understand because of Kyrie’s health, Dinwiddie seems untouchable, but adding 1 or even 2 backup point guards this off season would allow us to trade Dinwiddie before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Free agent point guards:

Dragic
Teague
Augustine (KD connection)
Napier
Trey Burke
Collison
Rivers
Mudiay
Raul Neto
Dellavedova (Kyrie connection)
Alec Burks
Tyler Johnson

Anyone like any of these trades in case Beal and Holiday are not available?

1. nah
2. Sure
3. Yes
4. No
5. No
6. Maybe
7. Heck no
8. Yes
9. Noooooooo

Point: anyone of these guys will do for our 3rd stringer.. except Della, Rivers and Mudiay.

I've said countless times I want Harkless here. We need a wing.. a 2/3 wing and a 3/4 wing.. a backup PG.. a backup 4.

My wishes off the top of my head:
Harkless
Ibaka
Augustine
Jrue
Oubre
Gay
Marvin Williams
Morris

I hope we can get 2 of those guys.

is harkless good? over ibaka stands out to me. i admit ive seen close to 0 harkless but the impression i have in my mind is that he was slow and trying to stick around as a smallball 4 but maybe im confusing him with someone else

[DarkXaero]

Trying to predict the most realistic trades Sean Marks can make in the summer.

I’m not saying I’m 100% for any of these trades but here are a few that make sense in terms of salaries going in and out. We probably will have to attach some picks in some of these trades.

I understand because of Kyrie’s health, Dinwiddie seems untouchable, but adding 1 or even 2 backup point guards this off season would allow us to trade Dinwiddie before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Free agent point guards:

Dragic
Teague
Augustine (KD connection)
Napier
Trey Burke
Collison
Rivers
Mudiay
Raul Neto
Dellavedova (Kyrie connection)
Alec Burks
Tyler Johnson

Anyone like any of these trades in case Beal and Holiday are not available?

I find it funny that you blasted my trade proposals in the first reply to the thread, but are now proposing multiple similar trades to the one I had in the OP for Derrick White & Rudy Gay

I like Levert/Kurucs for Aaron Gordon, Levert/Kurucs for Lavine (not realistic tho), and Prince/Kurucs for Oubre (also likely not realistic). Anything involving Dinwiddie needs to be for a borderline all star caliber player at least, and I'm not sold on Lavine as that piece.

[DarkXaero]

Would it be unstoppable. im not sure it would because we would then have 3 guys who need the ball instead of 2. and like, how much better is our offensw with Beal as the #3 guy as opposed to say Harris who stretches the floor the same way and doesnt need the ball?

There is a point of diminishing returns when you add too many ball dominant scorers. We know 2 of them works. 3 sometimes does but even than typically the #3 guy sees a big drop off.

I wouldnt be against beal, but id rather go another route for more of a defender/shooter Klay type than another Kyrie

Beal has shown the ability to play off ball fine, he is used to playing next to a ball dominant PG like Wall. Beal's usage rate had never even went above 30% until this season. Beal also came into the league having a reputation of elite shooter potential, and while his 3pt shooting has declined over the past few seasons with high volume scoring, he's still a high volume, above average shooting threat. It's ridiculous to think that having Beal instead of Joe Harris wouldn't make a massive positive difference in our offense. They don't play the same positions regardless, so I'm not sure what the point is.

There's no "Klay type" in the league, there's only one Klay, and we can't get him. There also aren't many genuine high level 3&D guys in the league, and they tend to be overvalued because every team wants them or can use them. You can always have one of Kyrie & Beal on the floor at all times by staggering minutes, and Beal can step up big time, if Kyrie is out with injury. I'm not suggesting that we should definitely make a trade for Beal or anything, but it is a possibility that should be considered.

Beal being able to play off the ball isnt really relevant. The point isnt that he can or cant do something. the idea is that you get diminish returns the more high usage players you add.

Yeah he played off-ball next to wall. But wall is also a guy who was top 5 in assist rate for most of his prime and who maxed out at 18 FGA a game. Wall was the clear #2 option if not #1b. And even then, Beal really didnt take off putting up efficient all-star numbers until wall went down and he played more as the #1.

here he would have durant taking 18-20 shots and kyrie taking 18-20 shots. him being good off ball is great but we can have Joe harris sit in the wings and corners waitint to shoot catch-and-shoot threes without having to give up all of our depth.

I think in any "big 3" your 3rd guy needs to be more than just another scorer. Bosh was an excellent defender, floor spacing big, and rebounder. Love was a great rebounder and floor spacing big. Klay was an all-nba level defender.

im not saying id be upset with Beal, I just dont think if you replace dinwiddie/levert/allen with beal that it moves the needle much.

the one argument id give beal is that its great Kyrie insurance. and you sitll have to scoring stars if kyrie is hurt.

Id lean more towards Jrue or even a small upgrade of like Ibaka

I understand the point that you're trying to make, but it is also important to realize that Beal is not the same player that he was two years ago (when he played regularly next to Wall). He has developed into a top tier scorer these past two seasons, and he's still relatively young at 26, entering his prime. I think you guys are underestimating him as a talent, he is becoming an elite offensive talent in the league. Of course he won't be averaging 30 a game here like he is with Wizards right now, but there's no reason why he can' be a 22-23 PPG, high efficiency scorer in our system, next to KD & Kyrie. We can have a balanced offense among those 3 players, with KD averaging 25 a game, Beal averaging 23 a game, and Kyrie averaging around 21-23 a game.

I also think you're overvaluing Love's importance on that Cavs team, he was underwhelming most of the time there when it mattered. Tristan Thompson was considered the stronger rebounding presence there. Bosh developed into an excellent defender and floor spacing big after getting to Miami, it's not something that he was in Toronto. I think Beal can adapt similarly, because he's that type of talent. Again, I don't know if getting Beal would be worth it, considering the cost, but we can't downplay how good he has become as a player, and he'd certainly help us become the most feared offense in the entire league.

[ProspectPark]

Trying to predict the most realistic trades Sean Marks can make in the summer.

I’m not saying I’m 100% for any of these trades but here are a few that make sense in terms of salaries going in and out. We probably will have to attach some picks in some of these trades.

I understand because of Kyrie’s health, Dinwiddie seems untouchable, but adding 1 or even 2 backup point guards this off season would allow us to trade Dinwiddie before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Free agent point guards:

Dragic
Teague
Augustine (KD connection)
Napier
Trey Burke
Collison
Rivers
Mudiay
Raul Neto
Dellavedova (Kyrie connection)
Alec Burks
Tyler Johnson

Anyone like any of these trades in case Beal and Holiday are not available?

I find it funny that you blasted my trade proposals in the first reply to the thread, but are now proposing multiple similar trades to the one I had in the OP for Derrick White & Rudy Gay

I like Levert/Kurucs for Aaron Gordon, Levert/Kurucs for Lavine (not realistic tho), and Prince/Kurucs for Oubre (also likely not realistic). Anything involving Dinwiddie needs to be for a borderline all star caliber player at least, and I'm not sold on Lavine as that piece.

I probably got defensive about the way some of our players were being described but I will admit, you were right about a lot of things.

I thought Prince would make the leap and be more of a dog defensively but that hasn’t happened. DJ and Allen are so redundant and it makes our offense so predictable.

I think the most realistic trade is Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Gordon and Ross.

I liked the Derrick White trade. If Pop is tired of DeRozan, I would pay the DeRozan tax for 1 year if it meant we get White’s RFA rights. White at 4 years $70 million would be a steal.

If LaVine publicly demands a trade, maybe his asking price drops enough and we can get him.

[ProspectPark]

1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

I dont know if this moves the needle. You could sell me that Ross is a step up from prince. But does Gordon playing a position of less need (Wing/Small 4) move the needle more than dinwiddie at a position of bigger need and risk (G/Backup PG)? Without KD this makes more sense to me. With KD i dont love it

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

Why for orlando?

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

I dont think Kurucs closes the gap between lavine and Levert.

Lavine is a 24 year old 26/5/5 player on very good efficency (46/38/82 w/ 57 TS%.)
Levert is a 25 year old 16/4/4 player on very poor efficiency (39/39/71 w/ 49 TS%)

The bulls arent really in a position where they want to turn lavine into 50 or 75 cents on the dollar. if they did move LAvine it is more likely they would try and package him with Markanen for a bigger name/elite draft picks as opposed to trading him for multiple pieces.

Gordon and Lavine are just younger slightly healthier, more efficient versions of levert who have the benefit of being jaw dropping above the rim players who have value in bringing in fans a bit. to get one of those guys, Dinwiddie would have to be involved.

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

Value wise this is closer, but why do the bulls do it? it doesnt really make them all that much better on the court (if ti does at all?). and if the bulls are going to package LAvine and satoransky they would probably look to get 1 good player instead of 3 lesser players

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

see above

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

Love this. value is ok. for the spurs its like making a trade just to trade. we maybe add the philly pick?

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

i think it works better expanding this to 3 teams with derozan going elsewhere.

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

not an oubre guy but on paper it makes sense

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Allen is younger and better than Dieng. this is a really bad trade for us both value wise and winning wise

I don’t love Gordon either because of his shooting, but he does provide some defensive versatility and athleticism that we desperately need especially against teams with players like Giannis, Siakam, Tatum, and Simmons.

The Magic will lose Fournier, Augustine, and MCW this summer. They will only have Fultz. I think for them trading Gordon for another ball handler / playmaker makes sense. Also Isaac, Gordon, and Aminu all play the same position. We have too many ball dominant guards and they have too many wings.

LaVine looks very frustrated in Chicago. If an opportunity arises where he publicly demands a trade at the end of the season, it’s a long shot, but maybe the Bulls panic and trade him for LeVert, Kurucs, and some picks.

In the Derrick White trade, the only way I see the Spurs trading him is if someone takes DeRozan’s $30 million. I would be willing to take DeRozan for a year if it meant we get White. When White becomes a RFA, I think his max will be similar to what Dejounte Murray just got. So White for 4 years at $70 million solidifies our SG position for the next half decade. We can also then put White on the other team’s best guard and hide Kyrie on defense as much as possible.

I like Allen too but when I look around the league, the teams with stretch 5’s make everything so much easier. Imagine if Kyrie could drive to the rim without having to worry about a shot blocker waiting for him. None of our bigs can stretch the floor. Dieng isn’t perfect, but he can make outside shots, rebound, and protect the rim.

[Papi_swav]

Trying to predict the most realistic trades Sean Marks can make in the summer.

I’m not saying I’m 100% for any of these trades but here are a few that make sense in terms of salaries going in and out. We probably will have to attach some picks in some of these trades.

I understand because of Kyrie’s health, Dinwiddie seems untouchable, but adding 1 or even 2 backup point guards this off season would allow us to trade Dinwiddie before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Free agent point guards:

Dragic
Teague
Augustine (KD connection)
Napier
Trey Burke
Collison
Rivers
Mudiay
Raul Neto
Dellavedova (Kyrie connection)
Alec Burks
Tyler Johnson

Anyone like any of these trades in case Beal and Holiday are not available?

1. nah
2. Sure
3. Yes
4. No
5. No
6. Maybe
7. Heck no
8. Yes
9. Noooooooo

Point: anyone of these guys will do for our 3rd stringer.. except Della, Rivers and Mudiay.

I've said countless times I want Harkless here. We need a wing.. a 2/3 wing and a 3/4 wing.. a backup PG.. a backup 4.

My wishes off the top of my head:
Harkless
Ibaka
Augustine
Jrue
Oubre
Gay
Marvin Williams
Morris

I hope we can get 2 of those guys.

is harkless good? over ibaka stands out to me. i admit ive seen close to 0 harkless but the impression i have in my mind is that he was slow and trying to stick around as a smallball 4 but maybe im confusing him with someone else

I'm not putting this list in no order.

Na you're confusing him, he's more of a wing. He was apart of the Trail Blazers run. He's 6'7 and can guard the wing pretty well. His shot came along, he's shooting 37% from 3 this season. He's rated a plus defender for the last 5 years or so. He can probably start next to KD but I don't think he's good to play for over 20-25 minutes. He was starting for the Clippers next to PG/Kawhi. He shouldn't be expensive to get but he's a guy that can make it tough on other wings. We need some wing defense, he'll help with that.

[Papi_swav]

Trying to predict the most realistic trades Sean Marks can make in the summer.

I’m not saying I’m 100% for any of these trades but here are a few that make sense in terms of salaries going in and out. We probably will have to attach some picks in some of these trades.

I understand because of Kyrie’s health, Dinwiddie seems untouchable, but adding 1 or even 2 backup point guards this off season would allow us to trade Dinwiddie before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


1. Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Aaron Gordon and Terrance Ross

2. LeVert and Kurucs for Aaron Gordon

3. LeVert and Kurucs for Zach LaVine

4. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kurucs for LaVine and Satoransky

5. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, and Kurucs for LaVine, Thaddeus Young, and Satoransky

6. LeVert and Kurucs for Derrick White and Rudy Gay

7. LeVert, Dinwiddie. Prince, and Kurucs for Derrick White, DeRozan, and Rudy Gay
(I am not a fan of DeRozan but if means we get Derrick White’s RFA rights, I wouldn’t hate this trade)

8. Prince and Kurucs for Kelly Oubre Jr.

9. Prince and Allen for Gorgui Dieng

Free agent point guards:

Dragic
Teague
Augustine (KD connection)
Napier
Trey Burke
Collison
Rivers
Mudiay
Raul Neto
Dellavedova (Kyrie connection)
Alec Burks
Tyler Johnson

Anyone like any of these trades in case Beal and Holiday are not available?

I find it funny that you blasted my trade proposals in the first reply to the thread, but are now proposing multiple similar trades to the one I had in the OP for Derrick White & Rudy Gay

I like Levert/Kurucs for Aaron Gordon, Levert/Kurucs for Lavine (not realistic tho), and Prince/Kurucs for Oubre (also likely not realistic). Anything involving Dinwiddie needs to be for a borderline all star caliber player at least, and I'm not sold on Lavine as that piece.

I probably got defensive about the way some of our players were being described but I will admit, you were right about a lot of things.

I thought Prince would make the leap and be more of a dog defensively but that hasn’t happened. DJ and Allen are so redundant and it makes our offense so predictable.

I think the most realistic trade is Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Gordon and Ross.

I liked the Derrick White trade. If Pop is tired of DeRozan, I would pay the DeRozan tax for 1 year if it meant we get White’s RFA rights. White at 4 years $70 million would be a steal.

If LaVine publicly demands a trade, maybe his asking price drops enough and we can get him.

U make some good points . I don't like having Derozan at all but White seems to be a good get.

And you're right about having a stretch 5. Giannis has those wide open lanes every time because of Brook Lopez, and Brook is pretty good defensively. But if u look around the league, there isn't many of those guys that can play good defense and shoot the 3 consistently good as a starter.

Look at what the Rockets are doing, they traded Capella and now Westbrook has all the room to work. I see more teams gravitating towards this.

A guy like Baynes would be perfect but that would mean one of our guys get traded and I like both of them.

I wouldn't trade Din and Prince for Gordon and Ross. I feel like we can do alot better if we're trading Din.

[ProspectPark]

‘Oddly enough, it’s the presence of Irving on the roster that could lead Marks to consider trading Dinwiddie. With Irving, Durant and Caris LeVert, that’s three players who need the ball a lot. And there is a lot of overlap in position there as well. With a hole at power forward, Begley posited that a Dinwiddie for Aaron Gordon swap might make sense for both Brooklyn and Orlando.”

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/02/27/report-magic-and-pistons-talked-trading-for-nets-spencer-dinwiddie/

[ProspectPark]

I find it funny that you blasted my trade proposals in the first reply to the thread, but are now proposing multiple similar trades to the one I had in the OP for Derrick White & Rudy Gay

I like Levert/Kurucs for Aaron Gordon, Levert/Kurucs for Lavine (not realistic tho), and Prince/Kurucs for Oubre (also likely not realistic). Anything involving Dinwiddie needs to be for a borderline all star caliber player at least, and I'm not sold on Lavine as that piece.

I probably got defensive about the way some of our players were being described but I will admit, you were right about a lot of things.

I thought Prince would make the leap and be more of a dog defensively but that hasn’t happened. DJ and Allen are so redundant and it makes our offense so predictable.

I think the most realistic trade is Dinwiddie, Prince, and Temple for Gordon and Ross.

I liked the Derrick White trade. If Pop is tired of DeRozan, I would pay the DeRozan tax for 1 year if it meant we get White’s RFA rights. White at 4 years $70 million would be a steal.

If LaVine publicly demands a trade, maybe his asking price drops enough and we can get him.

U make some good points . I don't like having Derozan at all but White seems to be a good get.

And you're right about having a stretch 5. Giannis has those wide open lanes every time because of Brook Lopez, and Brook is pretty good defensively. But if u look around the league, there isn't many of those guys that can play good defense and shoot the 3 consistently good as a starter.

Look at what the Rockets are doing, they traded Capella and now Westbrook has all the room to work. I see more teams gravitating towards this.

A guy like Baynes would be perfect but that would mean one of our guys get traded and I like both of them.

I wouldn't trade Din and Prince for Gordon and Ross. I feel like we can do alot better if we're trading Din.

I think that’s why Gordon makes so much sense for us. Not only is he an athletic wing defender, he could play small ball 5 for us and give our offense so much more versatility.

Crunch time lineup:

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / Gordon

And if LeVert or Harris are having an off night, we could plug in Terrance Ross.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't feel comfortable trading Dinwiddie. I'd rather trade LeVert tbh.