Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two

[kb24k]

He was circling for 15 minutes because of the fog, yes there was some traffic but not that much to circle that long. Fog and helicopters can hardly mix, fog , helicopters and mountains don't mix well at all. Right now there is lots of fog and slushy snow where I live so I would take it very slowly and I wouldn't fly helicopters either.

This was a private flight, not a scheduled one so it's not up to the pilot to cancel it but the one ordering it and the company . Kobe and this pilot have flown together at least hundreds of times but never in that type of fog. Kobe isn't guilty for the crash but he is the one that could have aborted the flight altogether because of extraneous circumstances.

I don't know where you get your facts from but you are wrong.
They had to wait after 2 planes and a helicopter. Nothing unusual.
And a pilot can cancel the flight even if it's private.

2 planes and 1 helicopter is max of 5 minutes waiting time which would mean 10 minutes of waiting for fog to clear. Also they were flying so low because of the fog and then the pilot got disoriented which is common in a fog. Pilot can't cancel the flights unless the company and the one who ordered tells him to.

Go read some facts first before you post here. At least the logs between the pilot and the atc

[Pharmcat]

The only people bringing the lawsuit are the lawyers looking to profit from death and destruction. It's clear to me that Kobe is the one that ordered a flight with exact time and place and he is the only one that could have aborted it and turned it around . But since Kobe is deceased , there is no one to question let alone hold accountable. Pilot was just an operator that had to get from point to point and he had no say otherwise.

From my understanding this along with every other helicopter is flown only with visual rules due to too much cost , too much training and very rare occurence of such a fog to fly by instrument rules. Once again, only Kobe could have aborted the flight especially when they started circling but once they got into a big fog the pilot seemed to have lost his balance and it was a death spiral more or less.

that's just wrong to put this on kobe.
The circling didn't have anything to do with IFR/VFR. they were waiting for a plane to clear the space. the visibility was fine after that.
this accident had 0 to do with the circling over Glendale. At Van Nuys they were not in SVFR anymore, they were completely VFR.
Passangers most likely were not aware of what was going on(which makes it easier for us to deal with this).
The pilot was reckless and overconfident when he didn't declare emergency when he went into the clouds, and he was going 150mph.
Helicopters can stop in the air unlike airplanes. He could have done that and declare emergency, and the ATC would help him from there.

He had a previous incident regarding weather related conditions.

PS: Pilots are responsible for the flight. They can cancel the flight if they want to, and the passengers cannot do anything about it.

He was circling for 15 minutes because of the fog, yes there was some traffic but not that much to circle that long. Fog and helicopters can hardly mix, fog , helicopters and mountains don't mix well at all. Right now there is lots of fog and slushy snow where I live so I would take it very slowly and I wouldn't fly helicopters either.

This was a private flight, not a scheduled one so it's not up to the pilot to cancel it but the one ordering it and the company . Kobe and this pilot have flown together at least hundreds of times but never in that type of fog. Kobe isn't guilty for the crash but he is the one that could have aborted the flight altogether because of extraneous circumstances.

The pilot is in charge of the copter , if he isn't comfortable in flying in those conditions he should have diverted somewhere before going into that fog. The pilot cannot get pressured into a decision by anyone else, if they do, they are in the wrong and putting everyone at risk

[Pharmcat]

So.
billionare widow goes and sues working class widow to rob her all of the fewmoney left by working class husband just because................

Inmoral.

i thought she is suing helicopter company, not the pilots family?

She is, but she's suing the company based on the pilot's negligence, which I think is irresponsible and unnecessary. His loved ones are mourning just as she is, and seeing his name dragged through the mud surely can't be fun.

The pilot ran into a mountain in poor conditions. The lapd wasnt flying their helicopters , why did this pilot go and then why did he not divert seeing all the fog coming up? This is a pilot error crash

[NyKnicks1714]

i thought she is suing helicopter company, not the pilots family?

She is, but she's suing the company based on the pilot's negligence, which I think is irresponsible and unnecessary. His loved ones are mourning just as she is, and seeing his name dragged through the mud surely can't be fun.

The pilot ran into a mountain in poor conditions. The lapd wasnt flying their helicopters , why did this pilot go and then why did he not divert seeing all the fog coming up? This is a pilot error crash

I'm not disputing any of this. I'm saying that there's nothing to be gained from going after him posthumously, you're just adding unnecessary pain to his family.

[wutevahung]

I don't know where you get your facts from but you are wrong.
They had to wait after 2 planes and a helicopter. Nothing unusual.
And a pilot can cancel the flight even if it's private.

2 planes and 1 helicopter is max of 5 minutes waiting time which would mean 10 minutes of waiting for fog to clear. Also they were flying so low because of the fog and then the pilot got disoriented which is common in a fog. Pilot can't cancel the flights unless the company and the one who ordered tells him to.

Go read some facts first before you post here. At least the logs between the pilot and the atc

lol wtf did that poster think happened?

pilot: hey Kobe we should abort the flight, but of course, its extremely dangerous and all our lives depend on your decision.
Kobe: wtf f u fly like a g6 dawg.
pilot: i guess when you put it that way, i don't care about my life that much. straight through the fog and the mountain!

[Michael Jordan]

I'm confused,

Why would the pilots widow be obligated to pay a penny? VB is suing the company based on the pilots negligence. The company can't come after the widow for money.

[Michael Jordan]

So why didn't Lebron attend Kobe's memorial?

Maybe it was too hard for him, I can't imagine what he's going through. But at the same time we still saw Vanessa Bryant not only come out but also do a full speech.

Its his decision and I respect it, but seems odd.

[NyKnicks1714]

I'm confused,

Why would the pilots widow be obligated to pay a penny? VB is suing the company based on the pilots negligence. The company can't come after the widow for money.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2020-02-24/vanessa-bryant-kobe-gianna-wrongful-death-lawsuit-helicopter-crash

The 27-count complaint, which also names Zobayan’s estate as a defendant, seeks compensatory and punitive damages. The amount isn’t specified.

[Michael Jordan]

I'm confused,

Why would the pilots widow be obligated to pay a penny? VB is suing the company based on the pilots negligence. The company can't come after the widow for money.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2020-02-24/vanessa-bryant-kobe-gianna-wrongful-death-lawsuit-helicopter-crash

The 27-count complaint, which also names Zobayan’s estate as a defendant, seeks compensatory and punitive damages. The amount isn’t specified.

Okay so she's going after his estate, that's deep and arguably immoral.

[Brofessor24]

So why didn't Lebron attend Kobe's memorial?

Maybe it was too hard for him, I can't imagine what he's going through. But at the same time we still saw Vanessa Bryant not only come out but also do a full speech.

Its his decision and I respect it, but seems odd.

I'm pretty sure that he was there.

[wutevahung]

So why didn't Lebron attend Kobe's memorial?

Maybe it was too hard for him, I can't imagine what he's going through. But at the same time we still saw Vanessa Bryant not only come out but also do a full speech.

Its his decision and I respect it, but seems odd.

he did, but he asked not to be on camera.

[alienpick]

PART ONE https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1934034#p81270039

R.I.P. to a titan of basketball, and sincere respects to his family and to all who have been affected by today's heart-rending tragedy.

We're here to discuss the positive legacy of an accomplished sportsman and to mourn the loss of nine lives, including multiple children. Remember that many of us can relate to shocking, world-shattering tragedies such as this one, and that today's events hit very close to home for some of us. Accordingly, be sensitive and respectful in your discussion.

Some reminders for this thread:

- No discussion of Kobe's past indiscretions or legal issues

- No inappropriate jokes

- No cheap talk and generalisations about racism and rape

- No links to or posts of alleged crash footage

So basically Kobe Bryant Pre-censored Butt-kissing Discussion, Part Two. What kind of douche puts limits on what people can say about a topic in a forum? smh

Personal attacks will only earn you strikes, so please refrain from this type of behavior going forward.

[bwgood77]

PART ONE https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1934034#p81270039

R.I.P. to a titan of basketball, and sincere respects to his family and to all who have been affected by today's heart-rending tragedy.

We're here to discuss the positive legacy of an accomplished sportsman and to mourn the loss of nine lives, including multiple children. Remember that many of us can relate to shocking, world-shattering tragedies such as this one, and that today's events hit very close to home for some of us. Accordingly, be sensitive and respectful in your discussion.

Some reminders for this thread:

- No discussion of Kobe's past indiscretions or legal issues

- No inappropriate jokes

- No cheap talk and generalisations about racism and rape

- No links to or posts of alleged crash footage

So basically Kobe Bryant Pre-censored Butt-kissing Discussion, Part Two. What kind of douche puts limits on what people can say about a topic in a forum? smh

Because the reminders were for things people got into which derailed the topic at hand, and derailing is against forum rules. It's giving people a heads up to remind them of the rules. And being that you broke another rule in this post with a personal attack, that will have to earn you a strike.

[Han Solo]

Still doesn’t feel real..

[pwrshft99]

Watch on YouTube

[Richfield]

Shame on those exploiting all of this with any complaints at all about the ceremony, who attended, who was mentioned, etc etc etc.

Nobody (the public) who wasn't personally close with KB has the right to be critical over what they think SHOULD have happened. It's not your place to say.

A big "KICK ROCKS" to anybody attempting to manufacture controversy and exploit after a tragic death.

[geezr714]

Watch on YouTube

This is stupid. We don't know the ins and outs, and the background of this all. All we know is what we see on video, and it should be left at that. Stop with the speculating and pushing for something that isn't there.

For all we know, Kobe's parents and family may have requested to not be acknowledged in the memorial.

[Pharmcat]

9:11 AM PT -- We're told the Sheriff's Dept. has known about this for 3 weeks. The trainee who showed the photos to a woman in a bar did so a few days after the crash.
8:01 AM PT -- We're told the gruesome photos were also passed around by members of the L.A. County Fire Dept. and we're told that Dept. is now investigating.
7:21 AM PT -- Law enforcement sources tell TMZ, multiple L.A. County Sheriff's deputies who responded to the crash scene took photos that included remains. We're told one of the deputies -- a trainee -- took photos and at some point went to a bar and, as one source put it, "He tried to impress a girl by showing her the photos." We're told the bartender overheard the conversation and filed an online complaint with the Sheriff's Dept.
We're also told the cell phone photos were passed around at the Lost Hills Sheriff's substation -- the first responders to the crash. Sources say deputies from other substations around L.A. County also took cell phone photos.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/28/la-county-sheriff-kobe-bryant-crash-site-photos/

disgusting, all involved should be fired.

[MAQ]

Me thinks TMZ tried to buy these photos, was told no, and is now trying to get folks fired.

I truly believe if they got the photos they would publish them.

[Richfield]

Me thinks TMZ tried to buy these photos, was told no, and is now trying to get folks fired.

I truly believe if they got the photos they would publish them.

I don't remember TMZ ever doing something so terrible.

Why do you believe that?

Did you pull that out of the sky?

Or are you a LEO trying to shift focus away from how horrible those first responders behaved?

Me thinks so..