Sweater Vest Thread #26: Magic 130 - Hawks 120

[Bensational]

Fournier overtook AG in scoring at the end of the 4th when we had a double figure lead and the game was more or less in hand. Fournier scored a whopping 3 more points than Gordon because of these late quarter plays. In that time AG also had a huge block on Collins and a 3 himself. AG also had more rebounds, more assists and shot a better percentage and was crucial in blowing the lead out in the first place. Yet a person who claims to have no bias wants to come in here and claim we are all biased for giving AG the vest like Fournier really deserved it over him and in the process revealing their own bias (which we already knew anyway). Give me a break.

4th quater,
Magic 108- Hawks 104
Evan makes huge 3

111-107
Evan dribble penetration leads to assist for corner 3 from Ennis



114-109
- drawing two FTs (bricks )

114-109
draws two fouls again ( makes one)


115-109
transition and-one


117-109
another and- one

Soooo 4th quater without Evan it's an easy L

Nah, it becomes 108-109 but someone else takes Evan's shots. So the win still could have happened.

If Gordon had bricked 3 FTs down the stretch you would use it as a reason he shouldn't get the vest. But because it was Fournier...

[pepe1991]

Thank you oh unbiased one.

Look, if Gordon won by few votes, cool, no bias, just opinion. Disparity in votes shows how fans feel about players. One they prefer is inferior player ,yet fan favorite because they were told he will be star player half of decade ago and still can't let it go.

It's also possible that your own bias' are not letting you see that most people simply thought AG had the best game and the extra narrative is something you're adding to it because you're not the biggest AG fan. We've seen much more one sided vest votes than this one before. I'm biased, but I would admit if I thought Evan was more or equally as deserving, but I don't believe that's the case.

6 years and counting people think Gordon is good.
6 years and counting Gordon continue to be walking mediocrity.

So who is more biased ? One who said long time ago that he is average or ones who still pretend, despite all the evidence in the world- that is more than that ?

To this date he never had season as good as Vucevic 2019-20 one. And some of you are sooo quick to point out how "bad" Vučević is playing. So what does that say about Gordon??


Evan is ok player. Nothing special. Not amazing , never will be. Yet people tend to blame him for virtually everything. Same- average- never nothing special Evan Fournier is for whole lenght of his career better player than Gordon , who people still think will turn into allstar based on stats he puts against bad teams.

This year we beat above .500 teams what ? 6 -8 times ?

This are splits in production in wins and losses that paint perfect picture of him scoring way more against bad teams:

in wins: 16,8 ppg , 8,4 rpg, 3,6 apg, 47% FG, 37,9% for 3, 56% TS
in loses: 12,6 ppg, 6,8 rpg, 3,0 apg, 39,8% FG, 27 for 3, 47% TS

This is as clear as it gets how he plays. He preforms well against teams like Hawks, Houston, Pistons, Suns who either play super fast and trade buckets or suck. Or in Hawks case play fast and suck at same time.

Gordon this year scored 25 points 5 times. Not a single opponent had positive win record.
Gordon this year scored less than 10 points 11 times. 8 times against teams with winning record.

[MagicStarwipe]

Look, if Gordon won by few votes, cool, no bias, just opinion. Disparity in votes shows how fans feel about players. One they prefer is inferior player ,yet fan favorite because they were told he will be star player half of decade ago and still can't let it go.

It's also possible that your own bias' are not letting you see that most people simply thought AG had the best game and the extra narrative is something you're adding to it because you're not the biggest AG fan. We've seen much more one sided vest votes than this one before. I'm biased, but I would admit if I thought Evan was more or equally as deserving, but I don't believe that's the case.

6 years and counting people think Gordon is good.
6 years and counting Gordon continue to be walking mediocrity.

So who is more biased ? One who said long time ago that he is average or ones who still pretend, despite all the evidence in the world- that is more than that ?

To this date he never had season as good as Vucevic 2019-20 one. And some of you are sooo quick to point out how "bad" Vučević is playing. So what does that say about Gordon??


Evan is ok player. Nothing special. Not amazing , never will be. Yet people tend to blame him for virtually everything. Same- average- never nothing special Evan Fournier is for whole lenght of his career better player than Gordon , who people still think will turn into allstar based on stats he puts against bad teams.

This year we beat above .500 teams what ? 6 -8 times ?

This are splits in production in wins and losses that paint perfect picture of him scoring way more against bad teams:

in wins: 16,8 ppg , 8,4 rpg, 3,6 apg, 47% FG, 37,9% for 3, 56% TS
in loses: 12,6 ppg, 6,8 rpg, 3,0 apg, 39,8% FG, 27 for 3, 47% TS

This is as clear as it gets how he plays. He preforms well against teams like Hawks, Houston, Pistons, Suns who either play super fast and trade buckets or suck. Or in Hawks case play fast and suck at same time.

Gordon this year scored 25 points 5 times. Not a single opponent had positive win record.
Gordon this year scored less than 10 points 11 times. 8 times against teams with winning record.

The fact that you're going on a massive spiel like this just further proves that the reason you're disgruntled is because you just don't like Gordon and you like Fournier more. You didn't need to post any of that. This isn't about people saying "Gordon is a future all-star". It's about people believing Gordon was the best player on our team for this particular game. Everybody knows Gordon has had a down season and everybody has pointed it out. He's also playing much better lately so why would we be sh***ing on him right now? Fournier hasn't had much hate lately because he's been playing much better lately. Vuc has had the most hate lately because it seems he's not playing up to standard.

[pepe1991]

It's also possible that your own bias' are not letting you see that most people simply thought AG had the best game and the extra narrative is something you're adding to it because you're not the biggest AG fan. We've seen much more one sided vest votes than this one before. I'm biased, but I would admit if I thought Evan was more or equally as deserving, but I don't believe that's the case.

6 years and counting people think Gordon is good.
6 years and counting Gordon continue to be walking mediocrity.

So who is more biased ? One who said long time ago that he is average or ones who still pretend, despite all the evidence in the world- that is more than that ?

To this date he never had season as good as Vucevic 2019-20 one. And some of you are sooo quick to point out how "bad" Vučević is playing. So what does that say about Gordon??


Evan is ok player. Nothing special. Not amazing , never will be. Yet people tend to blame him for virtually everything. Same- average- never nothing special Evan Fournier is for whole lenght of his career better player than Gordon , who people still think will turn into allstar based on stats he puts against bad teams.

This year we beat above .500 teams what ? 6 -8 times ?

This are splits in production in wins and losses that paint perfect picture of him scoring way more against bad teams:

in wins: 16,8 ppg , 8,4 rpg, 3,6 apg, 47% FG, 37,9% for 3, 56% TS
in loses: 12,6 ppg, 6,8 rpg, 3,0 apg, 39,8% FG, 27 for 3, 47% TS

This is as clear as it gets how he plays. He preforms well against teams like Hawks, Houston, Pistons, Suns who either play super fast and trade buckets or suck. Or in Hawks case play fast and suck at same time.

Gordon this year scored 25 points 5 times. Not a single opponent had positive win record.
Gordon this year scored less than 10 points 11 times. 8 times against teams with winning record.

The fact that you're going on a massive spiel like this just further proves that the reason you're disgruntled is because you just don't like Gordon and you like Fournier more. You didn't need to post any of that. This isn't about people saying "Gordon is a future all-star". It's about people believing Gordon was the best player on our team for this particular game. Everybody knows Gordon has had a down season and everybody has pointed it out. He's also playing much better lately so why would we be sh***ing on him right now? Fournier hasn't had much hate lately because he's been playing much better lately. Vuc has had the most hate lately because it seems he's not playing up to standard.

Fact that you talk about feelings and not stats i posted pretty much points what i posted. He has been average player who has really bad year.
It has so little to do what i "feel" that i find it irrelevant to argue further.

[MagicStarwipe]

6 years and counting people think Gordon is good.
6 years and counting Gordon continue to be walking mediocrity.

So who is more biased ? One who said long time ago that he is average or ones who still pretend, despite all the evidence in the world- that is more than that ?

To this date he never had season as good as Vucevic 2019-20 one. And some of you are sooo quick to point out how "bad" Vučević is playing. So what does that say about Gordon??


Evan is ok player. Nothing special. Not amazing , never will be. Yet people tend to blame him for virtually everything. Same- average- never nothing special Evan Fournier is for whole lenght of his career better player than Gordon , who people still think will turn into allstar based on stats he puts against bad teams.

This year we beat above .500 teams what ? 6 -8 times ?

This are splits in production in wins and losses that paint perfect picture of him scoring way more against bad teams:

in wins: 16,8 ppg , 8,4 rpg, 3,6 apg, 47% FG, 37,9% for 3, 56% TS
in loses: 12,6 ppg, 6,8 rpg, 3,0 apg, 39,8% FG, 27 for 3, 47% TS

This is as clear as it gets how he plays. He preforms well against teams like Hawks, Houston, Pistons, Suns who either play super fast and trade buckets or suck. Or in Hawks case play fast and suck at same time.

Gordon this year scored 25 points 5 times. Not a single opponent had positive win record.
Gordon this year scored less than 10 points 11 times. 8 times against teams with winning record.

The fact that you're going on a massive spiel like this just further proves that the reason you're disgruntled is because you just don't like Gordon and you like Fournier more. You didn't need to post any of that. This isn't about people saying "Gordon is a future all-star". It's about people believing Gordon was the best player on our team for this particular game. Everybody knows Gordon has had a down season and everybody has pointed it out. He's also playing much better lately so why would we be sh***ing on him right now? Fournier hasn't had much hate lately because he's been playing much better lately. Vuc has had the most hate lately because it seems he's not playing up to standard.

Fact that you talk about feelings and not stats i posted pretty much points what i posted. He has been average player who has really bad year.
It has so little to do what i "feel" that i find it irrelevant to argue further.

You're arguing about irrelevant things. In fact you're just making up new arguments for the sake of it. None of your stats are relevant to this thread.

[pepe1991]

The fact that you're going on a massive spiel like this just further proves that the reason you're disgruntled is because you just don't like Gordon and you like Fournier more. You didn't need to post any of that. This isn't about people saying "Gordon is a future all-star". It's about people believing Gordon was the best player on our team for this particular game. Everybody knows Gordon has had a down season and everybody has pointed it out. He's also playing much better lately so why would we be sh***ing on him right now? Fournier hasn't had much hate lately because he's been playing much better lately. Vuc has had the most hate lately because it seems he's not playing up to standard.

Fact that you talk about feelings and not stats i posted pretty much points what i posted. He has been average player who has really bad year.
It has so little to do what i "feel" that i find it irrelevant to argue further.

You're arguing about irrelevant things. In fact you're just making up new arguments for the sake of it. None of your stats are relevant to this thread.

Argument that Gordon contributed with 3 points in 4th quater in thread about vest , in game that was decided in 4th quater, mostly on backs of Evan, who "lost" voting battle for like 30 votes?
All that while being leading scorer on a team and only having 1 assist less than Gordon. ( Rebounding is irrelevant for SG ).
Who also had best plus minus on a team
Who also had, with Fultz -team high in steals.

Yet you want to talk about feelings and how i feel about Gordon, because that's somehow relevant?

It's no secret i don't like how Gordon plays basketball.
I actually don't like Evan all that much. I find him irritating sometimes. For good chunk of 2017 he was my favorite player to hate on because i thought everything Dipo contributed- he cashed in on ( mostly dribble penetration kickouts to him, where most of a job was done by Dipo ).
I also hated Dipo traded and wanted Evan gone between them.
Matter of fact i was one of few who pooped on Ibaka trade from gates, where most of a board was up in arms.

I thought Bamba will be better and actually wanted to draft him because upside.

So you hit , you miss, it is what it is

But as far as Gordon goes, i hate his offense and his inability to be effective. For years i argue he should play nothing but PF. So here he is, at PF , playing much better.

[MagicStarwipe]

Fact that you talk about feelings and not stats i posted pretty much points what i posted. He has been average player who has really bad year.
It has so little to do what i "feel" that i find it irrelevant to argue further.

You're arguing about irrelevant things. In fact you're just making up new arguments for the sake of it. None of your stats are relevant to this thread.

Argument that Gordon contributed with 3 points in 4th quater in thread about vest , in game that was decided in 4th quater, mostly on backs of Evan, who "lost" voting battle for like 30 votes?
All that while being leading scorer on a team and only having 1 assist less than Gordon. ( Rebounding is irrelevant for SG ).
Who also had best plus minus on a team
Who also had, with Fultz -team high in steals.

Yet you want to talk about feelings and how i feel about Gordon, because that's somehow relevant?

You're the one that started the "feelings" talk as you call it by accusing everybody of being biased lol. Whatever man. Vote for Fournier and keep it moving. This sh*t is getting old.

[zaymon]

I would say Gordon had a better game but in more limited role. While Evan had a slightly worse game, but with a more difficult role. Question is what you value more.

[pepe1991]

You're arguing about irrelevant things. In fact you're just making up new arguments for the sake of it. None of your stats are relevant to this thread.

Argument that Gordon contributed with 3 points in 4th quater in thread about vest , in game that was decided in 4th quater, mostly on backs of Evan, who "lost" voting battle for like 30 votes?
All that while being leading scorer on a team and only having 1 assist less than Gordon. ( Rebounding is irrelevant for SG ).
Who also had best plus minus on a team
Who also had, with Fultz -team high in steals.

Yet you want to talk about feelings and how i feel about Gordon, because that's somehow relevant?

You're the one that started the "feelings" talk as you call it by accusing everybody of being biased lol. Whatever man. Vote for Fournier and keep it moving. This sh*t is getting old.

Fair enough

[drsd]

I would say Gordon had a better game but in more limited role. While Evan had a slightly worse game, but with a more difficult role. Question is what you value more.

Offense was a push.

Defense:
Gordon had some camera worthy moves; his blocks are camera-worthy notable.
Fournier simply locked out his man. That is not camera worthy, but it was decisive in point differential.


I am not an eye-test fan. Stats don't lie. Fournier was better on defense than Gordon.


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[Xatticus]

This thread is hilarious.

- Everyone is biased, but Americans are more biased.
- Fournier and Gordon were equal on offense, but Fournier was better defensively.
- Someone said Gordon would be an All-Star six years ago, so Fournier deserves the vest.

Gordon was better at both ends. He moved the ball, made better decisions, and was simply more efficient. Our offense was just much better when Gordon was more involved than it was when Fournier was. Fournier went into hero mode again in the fourth and the ball movement dried up. Shocking.

It was kind of hilarious when Gordon screened for Fournier, who then turned the ball over after he inexplicably jumped in the air when Gordon rolled to the basket. Fournier tried to blame Gordon for the turnover and Gordon laughed at him. Fournier does this routinely. Watch him after he jumps in the air and throws the ball out of bounds. He will blame someone for not being where he threw the ball to.

[Bensational]

I think it's just worth acknowledging how good of a month Gordon is having.

19.9, 9, 5 on great efficiency.

Here are the 7 players who are doing that, or better.

Luka, Giannis, LeBron, Jokic, Towns, Gordon and Sabonis.

Gordon and Sabonis are the only guys who aren't superstars amongst that bunch and they don't control an offense like the others. That makes their numbers pretty damn impressive as support players.

Shoutout to Sabonis, too. 19.8ppg on 13.8fgas a game? 11 rebounds and 6 assists a game?! I can't believe we had this guy and gave him away for Ibaka, let alone included Oladipo. If we had Sabonis as our starting C right now we might be in Indy's position in the standings.