What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

[MagicBagley18]

brown is a good player and he’s had a very good year. He’s improved a lot. Earlier this year I said I’d trade him for an established all star and I caught flack. Myself and some others said Tatum is on a different tier than brown. People laughed, and said well browns numbers are equal to Tatums so they must have same trade value.

They didn’t then and they don’t now. Brown is a good player. You don’t need to knock him to talk about how good Tatums been but I stil stand by my statement. I would trade brown for an established all star to get the team to the next level as long as the player coming in didn’t stunt or not mesh with Tatum.

Celtics moving forward- everythjgn is about fit with Tatum and maximizing his potential. You don’t just trade brown to trade him but he’s not untouchable.

No one is untouchable unless you have Lebron, young MJ etc.

the Jays are perfect together, one weakness is the others strength. They are a perfect pairing. They are both untouchable

Tatum is untouchable. Brown is def not. Doesn’t mean we just trade him for anyone but he’s not untouchable at all, even though it’s unlikely he would get traded. Tatum is untouchable

[themoneyteam2]

Pre injury Danny Granger or Walmart Jimmy Butler.

Did I do it right?

[SuperDeluxe]

Doncic has an incredibly polished game - he's like a Ben Simmons who can shoot like Steph Curry.

Whoa now.

Career and season 32% 3Pt shooter, ~75% FT shooter.

Curry is a CAREER 43% 3 point shooter on crazy volume and crazy difficult shots (has never shot below 41% on a season), career 90% FT shooter.

Luka might take shots like Curry, but he sure as heck don't shoot like him.

Haha, touché! I went by the games I watched him play (didn't bother checking the actual stats). Let's say "Simmons with a jumpshot" then.

[Taget]

I feel silly throwing out names because well you're never the "next Jordan" until people stop comparing you to Jordan and other players are declared the new you.

I always thought Jaylen had a higher ceiling than Tatum but was just far less likely to get there than Tatum. With Jaylen people forget that he came into the league a lot less polished than Tatum. A Tatum bust would be him staying at say Jeff Green level. There was no guarantee Jaylen even had a future in the league. The amount of progress he has made has been far more than we give him credit for.

Right now you feel comfortable having Brown guard the best player on the other team. And he may give you 20 on top of that. And he is still learning and progressing at only 22.

[100proof]

Yea, call me when he makes the team. All I hear is excuses. Like I said, fringe all star. Maybe over the course Of his career he makes 1 or 2.

A top 20-25 player in the NBA makes the allstar team.
You cannot be a top 20-25 player in the league and not make allstar teams unless all of a sudden the best 30 players in the Nba are all guards, no forwards and no centers.

Look at the top 25 player rankings for the last decade and I would guess that not too many on that list did not make an allstar team (taking injuries into account and potential gross overratings - Draymond Green)

Over the next 5 years, if Jaylen hits a top 20-25 player he is absolutely an allstar.

Like I said, when he makes the all star team let me know and you can have all the glory

If he isnt an allstar then he isnt a top 25 player.
I cannot see a player in the top 20-25 not being on the allstar team. Kemba isnt a top 25 player and he was on.

I am not debating he does or doesnt make an allstar team, im not debating he is a top 20 or whatever player eventually.

But a top 20-25 player is not a fringe allstar. They are an allstar, they are an excellent player, a max contract player.

[Dannyboy36]

A top 20-25 player in the NBA makes the allstar team.
You cannot be a top 20-25 player in the league and not make allstar teams unless all of a sudden the best 30 players in the Nba are all guards, no forwards and no centers.

Look at the top 25 player rankings for the last decade and I would guess that not too many on that list did not make an allstar team (taking injuries into account and potential gross overratings - Draymond Green)

Over the next 5 years, if Jaylen hits a top 20-25 player he is absolutely an allstar.

Like I said, when he makes the all star team let me know and you can have all the glory

If he isnt an allstar then he isnt a top 25 player.
I cannot see a player in the top 20-25 not being on the allstar team. Kemba isnt a top 25 player and he was on.

I am not debating he does or doesnt make an allstar team, im not debating he is a top 20 or whatever player eventually.

But a top 20-25 player is not a fringe allstar. They are an allstar, they are an excellent player, a max contract player.

Unless your name is Bradley Beal.

[Wes-J]

brown is a good player and he’s had a very good year. He’s improved a lot. Earlier this year I said I’d trade him for an established all star and I caught flack. Myself and some others said Tatum is on a different tier than brown. People laughed, and said well browns numbers are equal to Tatums so they must have same trade value.

They didn’t then and they don’t now. Brown is a good player. You don’t need to knock him to talk about how good Tatums been but I stil stand by my statement. I would trade brown for an established all star to get the team to the next level as long as the player coming in didn’t stunt or not mesh with Tatum.

Celtics moving forward- everythjgn is about fit with Tatum and maximizing his potential. You don’t just trade brown to trade him but he’s not untouchable.

Stop. Everybody knew Tatum would be great at some point.

Funny, you told me he and brown were both untouchable and if brown could be traded - Tatum could. I said no then. I said Tatum you only trade for a top 5,6,7 guy maybe. You trade brown if it makes sense. Tatum is untouchable as he was months ago when ya were wrong then

First off this a JB thread. Discussion about Tatum and Tatum and Brown are elsewhere. It's annoying when this becomes some competition between the two.

I know what you said. I have always maintained the line of I'll package anybody for a upgrade that makes sense. The only difference now is that I would not trade Tatum for anybody unless it's Giannis or maybe Kawhi. However I don't see the point in breaking up a young tandem with great chemistry when Jaylen is coming into his own. Even for a slight perceived upgrade in talent. That makes no sense.

You were always wrong about Brown but at least you're giving him some credit for being a decent player I guess.

[31to6]

Pre injury Danny Granger or Walmart Jimmy Butler.

Did I do it right?

Stronger Shawn Kemp.

I want to discourage people from using Pippen as a comp for just about anyone. Some guys are just too unique and IMO Scottie's one of them. Wingspan of a **** eagle. Maybe another guy comes along "like him" but we haven't seen him yet.

Nets Richard Jefferson is exactly where Jaylen is right now, or Mavs Michael Finley. That might be where it stays (and that's top 20 or so like lots of people are saying) but if we're talking ceiling he can possibly get beyond that. Where does that get you? Shawn Marion-level? (impact, not play style) but maybe that's a stretch. If we didn't have JT, and Jaylen got more touches/shots etc. I do think we'd be pondering if he could get to Pierce-level.

[100proof]

Like I said, when he makes the all star team let me know and you can have all the glory

If he isnt an allstar then he isnt a top 25 player.
I cannot see a player in the top 20-25 not being on the allstar team. Kemba isnt a top 25 player and he was on.

I am not debating he does or doesnt make an allstar team, im not debating he is a top 20 or whatever player eventually.

But a top 20-25 player is not a fringe allstar. They are an allstar, they are an excellent player, a max contract player.

Unless your name is Bradley Beal.

I don't think I put Bradley Beal in my top 25.

Giannis
Lebron
Kawhi
AD
Joel Embiid
Jokic
Dame
Tatum
Butler
Simmons
Kemba
Kyrie
George
Harden
Westbrook
Siakam
Young
Doncic
Durant
Steph
Klay
Kat
Paul
Zion

Ingram
Middleton
Lowry
Brown
Beal
KP
McCollum
Russell
Booker
Derozan


I mean yeah, he is putting up numbers, on a bad team, while losing alot of games.

[Slax]

Pre injury Danny Granger or Walmart Jimmy Butler.

Did I do it right?

Stronger Shawn Kemp.

I want to discourage people from using Pippen as a comp for just about anyone. Some guys are just too unique and IMO Scottie's one of them. Wingspan of a **** eagle. Maybe another guy comes along "like him" but we haven't seen him yet.

Nets Richard Jefferson is exactly where Jaylen is right now, or Mavs Michael Finley. That might be where it stays (and that's top 20 or so like lots of people are saying) but if we're talking ceiling he can possibly get beyond that. Where does that get you? Shawn Marion-level? (impact, not play style) but maybe that's a stretch. If we didn't have JT, and Jaylen got more touches/shots etc. I do think we'd be pondering if he could get to Pierce-level.

Brown is one of very few players who can match Pippen's silky voice though. Those dulcet tones would be perfect for a podcast.

[31to6]

If he isnt an allstar then he isnt a top 25 player.
I cannot see a player in the top 20-25 not being on the allstar team. Kemba isnt a top 25 player and he was on.

I am not debating he does or doesnt make an allstar team, im not debating he is a top 20 or whatever player eventually.

But a top 20-25 player is not a fringe allstar. They are an allstar, they are an excellent player, a max contract player.

Unless your name is Bradley Beal.

I don't think I put Bradley Beal in my top 25.

Giannis
Lebron
Kawhi
AD
Joel Embiid
Jokic
Dame
Tatum
Butler
Simmons
Kemba
Kyrie
George
Harden
Westbrook
Siakam
Young
Doncic
Durant
Steph
Klay
Kat
Paul
Zion

Ingram
Middleton
Lowry
Brown
Beal
KP
McCollum
Russell
Booker
Derozan


I mean yeah, he is putting up numbers, on a bad team, while losing alot of games.

Kyrie is, or KAT?

[MagicBagley18]

A top 20-25 player in the NBA makes the allstar team.
You cannot be a top 20-25 player in the league and not make allstar teams unless all of a sudden the best 30 players in the Nba are all guards, no forwards and no centers.

Look at the top 25 player rankings for the last decade and I would guess that not too many on that list did not make an allstar team (taking injuries into account and potential gross overratings - Draymond Green)

Over the next 5 years, if Jaylen hits a top 20-25 player he is absolutely an allstar.

Like I said, when he makes the all star team let me know and you can have all the glory

If he isnt an allstar then he isnt a top 25 player.
I cannot see a player in the top 20-25 not being on the allstar team. Kemba isnt a top 25 player and he was on.

I am not debating he does or doesnt make an allstar team, im not debating he is a top 20 or whatever player eventually.

But a top 20-25 player is not a fringe allstar. They are an allstar, they are an excellent player, a max contract player.

so then i overrated him? no problem. outside the top 25 then. fine with me

[GoGreen]

Man, Jaylen has been proving people wrong since day 1. Kid has worked his behind off. I feel he's still got a higher plateau to hit.

[MagicBagley18]

Stop. Everybody knew Tatum would be great at some point.

Funny, you told me he and brown were both untouchable and if brown could be traded - Tatum could. I said no then. I said Tatum you only trade for a top 5,6,7 guy maybe. You trade brown if it makes sense. Tatum is untouchable as he was months ago when ya were wrong then

First off this a JB thread. Discussion about Tatum and Tatum and Brown are elsewhere. It's annoying when this becomes some competition between the two.

I know what you said. I have always maintained the line of I'll package anybody for a upgrade that makes sense. The only difference now is that I would not trade Tatum for anybody unless it's Giannis or maybe Kawhi. However I don't see the point in breaking up a young tandem with great chemistry when Jaylen is coming into us own. Even for a slight perceived upgrade in talent. That makes no sense.

You were always wrong about Brown but at least you're giving him some credit for being a decent player I guess.

i agree. i don't just trade jaylen for anybody. nor do i wanna break anything up just to do so, i'd actually like it where jaylen keeps playing so well that the idea is blasphemy. the only difference i was trying to make and seem's like you've come around is that when the phone rings for danny and it starts with them asking for tatum- it's an immediate hang up both months ago when we talked and even more now as you see.

when the phone rings and they ask about jaylen- most of the time it's a hang up but you will listen sometimes and there are situations where we would be the one's making the call about another player using jaylen as our trade chip. those day's are over for tatum.

if you look at the team right now- many here have us as a contender and into a new tier because of how well tatum has played. when people like cave said jaylen is the 4th best on a contender and i said he's maybe the 3rd or 4th best on a true contender we were ridiculed and laughed at.

take a look at the teams hierarchy now when people think our ceiling is higher - its tatum, kemba and then the argument is brown o or hayward so that idea that was once laughed at isn't so far fetched and i'm not wrong. he hasn't made an all star game and hes the 3rd or 4th best player on this team when tatum is playing at this level.

[Homerclease]

A better Jason Richardson is the closest I can come up with IMO

[31to6]

A better Jason Richardson is the closest I can come up with IMO

That's a good one! Peak JRich was 22/6/3 in a much slower era. Like Jaylen, advanced stats didn't love him.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richaja01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html

It should be noted that, like Richard Jefferson, JRich never made the All Star team. Hopefully JB does as soon as next year, but these are good comps (if not ceilings).

[Feed Your Head]

A better Jason Richardson is the closest I can come up with IMO

That's a good one! JRich was 22/6/3 in a much slower era. Like Jaylen, advanced stats didn't love him.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richaja01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html

It should be noted that, like Richard Jefferson, JRich never made the All Star team. Hopefully JB does as soon as next year, but these are good comps (if not ceilings).

Here's a post of mine from early last season, so I'm with you two on that comp. I removed the poster who made the gerald henderson comp.

Gerald Henderson

Gerald henderson hit 249 threes in his entire career, on 32% shooting. Jaylen Brown through two years has hit 167 of them, on 37% shooting. Extremely odd and transparent comparison.

I've always thought he's a better defending jason Richardson, Finley is another good one. Not a superstar, but a guy who will make a few all star teams.

[Gomes3PC]

Man, Jaylen has been proving people wrong since day 1. Kid has worked his behind off. I feel he's still got a higher plateau to hit.

His skill development is really impressive. I still do think he has a bit of limitations around how quickly he processes/reacts on the floor, and that's seen in pretty pedestrian assist rates & the slip-up's that happen on off-ball D. However, he's only 23 and some of that should get better as he continues to pile up high-leverage minutes.

[Wes-J]

Funny, you told me he and brown were both untouchable and if brown could be traded - Tatum could. I said no then. I said Tatum you only trade for a top 5,6,7 guy maybe. You trade brown if it makes sense. Tatum is untouchable as he was months ago when ya were wrong then

First off this a JB thread. Discussion about Tatum and Tatum and Brown are elsewhere. It's annoying when this becomes some competition between the two.

I know what you said. I have always maintained the line of I'll package anybody for a upgrade that makes sense. The only difference now is that I would not trade Tatum for anybody unless it's Giannis or maybe Kawhi. However I don't see the point in breaking up a young tandem with great chemistry when Jaylen is coming into us own. Even for a slight perceived upgrade in talent. That makes no sense.

You were always wrong about Brown but at least you're giving him some credit for being a decent player I guess.

i agree. i don't just trade jaylen for anybody. nor do i wanna break anything up just to do so, i'd actually like it where jaylen keeps playing so well that the idea is blasphemy. the only difference i was trying to make and seem's like you've come around is that when the phone rings for danny and it starts with them asking for tatum- it's an immediate hang up both months ago when we talked and even more now as you see.

when the phone rings and they ask about jaylen- most of the time it's a hang up but you will listen sometimes and there are situations where we would be the one's making the call about another player using jaylen as our trade chip. those day's are over for tatum.

if you look at the team right now- many here have us as a contender and into a new tier because of how well tatum has played. when people like cave said jaylen is the 4th best on a contender and i said he's maybe the 3rd or 4th best on a true contender we were ridiculed and laughed at.

take a look at the teams hierarchy now when people think our ceiling is higher - its tatum, kemba and then the argument is brown o or hayward so that idea that was once laughed at isn't so far fetched and i'm not wrong. he hasn't made an all star game and hes the 3rd or 4th best player on this team when tatum is playing at this level.

Fair enough I don't think we disagree on much except I think you somewhat undersell Jaylen's value to the team.

Honestly I could care less if he gets the accolades of Tatum because if he's giving us 22-24ppg 7rpg with close to elite defense for the next 7-8 years then we've got a helluva duo that'll wreak havoc on the league.

[MagicBagley18]

First off this a JB thread. Discussion about Tatum and Tatum and Brown are elsewhere. It's annoying when this becomes some competition between the two.

I know what you said. I have always maintained the line of I'll package anybody for a upgrade that makes sense. The only difference now is that I would not trade Tatum for anybody unless it's Giannis or maybe Kawhi. However I don't see the point in breaking up a young tandem with great chemistry when Jaylen is coming into us own. Even for a slight perceived upgrade in talent. That makes no sense.

You were always wrong about Brown but at least you're giving him some credit for being a decent player I guess.

i agree. i don't just trade jaylen for anybody. nor do i wanna break anything up just to do so, i'd actually like it where jaylen keeps playing so well that the idea is blasphemy. the only difference i was trying to make and seem's like you've come around is that when the phone rings for danny and it starts with them asking for tatum- it's an immediate hang up both months ago when we talked and even more now as you see.

when the phone rings and they ask about jaylen- most of the time it's a hang up but you will listen sometimes and there are situations where we would be the one's making the call about another player using jaylen as our trade chip. those day's are over for tatum.

if you look at the team right now- many here have us as a contender and into a new tier because of how well tatum has played. when people like cave said jaylen is the 4th best on a contender and i said he's maybe the 3rd or 4th best on a true contender we were ridiculed and laughed at.

take a look at the teams hierarchy now when people think our ceiling is higher - its tatum, kemba and then the argument is brown o or hayward so that idea that was once laughed at isn't so far fetched and i'm not wrong. he hasn't made an all star game and hes the 3rd or 4th best player on this team when tatum is playing at this level.

Fair enough I don't think we disagree on much except I think you somewhat undersell Jaylen's value to the team.

Honestly I could care less if he gets the accolades of Tatum because if he's giving us 22-24ppg 7rpg with close to elite defense for the next 7-8 years then we've got a helluva duo that'll wreak havoc on the league.

that we agree on. we both just want to win and jaylen's been nothing but complimentary of tatum which is a very good sign of a selfless player and he's also played very well himself.