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Re: GT: Nets @ Wizards 2/26/20 

Post#41 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:55 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Marks has a lot of work to do this summer.


Does he?

he could go into hibernation until october and when he wakes up he would be addding a 1st team all-nba player in durant and a 2nd/3rd team all-nba player in Kyrie.

This roster has its flaws. but the idea that a top 5 player and a top 15 player dont make those borderline irrelevant to me is just being overly pessmisitic due to the close losses


I do think we need one more significant piece. Not necessarily an all star but maybe someone at 3/4 that is consistent contributor on both ends. That, and a reliable 3rd PG.

I'm fine with KD/Kyrie/DJ/Spencer/Harris/Prince/Temple. If Allen and LeVert + 1st rounder can net us a significant piece to add to this roster I would do it.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Wizards 2/26/20 

Post#42 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:09 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I do think we need one more significant piece. Not necessarily an all star but maybe someone at 3/4 that is consistent contributor on both ends. That, and a reliable 3rd PG.


you have Kyrie, Harris, levert, KD, Allen

then you have Prince and Temple as 3/4 off the bench. yeah a better prince or temple would be nice. but the 15-20 minutes those guys play will not make or break us.

Like you add KD to this team even without Kyrie tommorow and we are going on like a 10-2 run
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Re: GT: Nets @ Wizards 2/26/20 

Post#43 » by ecuhus1981 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:49 pm

Prokorov wrote:missing the playoffs would be catastrophc. it would set every player on this roster way back into their development. and the pick would be a minor asset who doesnt really help much. we may as well just trade everyone not named durant if we are going to miss the playoffs

You can't argue both sides. You've been the loudest critic of overvaluing are postseason run last year, for guys like Caris. You can't turn around now and say that 4 blowout games are going to mean so much for our team's development.

By the way, who are you expecting us to develop? Most of our core has been to the postseason plenty of times before, and 4 boat races courtesy of Milwaukee are not going to develop anything. That's even if Kenny plays the young kids mop up minutes, which I do not trust.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Wizards 2/26/20 

Post#44 » by Prokorov » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:03 pm

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Prokorov wrote:missing the playoffs would be catastrophc. it would set every player on this roster way back into their development. and the pick would be a minor asset who doesnt really help much. we may as well just trade everyone not named durant if we are going to miss the playoffs

You can't argue both sides. You've been the loudest critic of overvaluing are postseason run last year, for guys like Caris. You can't turn around now and say that 4 blowout games are going to mean so much for our team's development.

By the way, who are you expecting us to develop? Most of our core has been to the postseason plenty of times before, and 4 boat races courtesy of Milwaukee are not going to develop anything. That's even if Kenny plays the young kids mop up minutes, which I do not trust.


this is not true. i said making the post season wont effect our recruiting efforts (that cap space , culture, and location were the major factors) . My other point was that we shouldnt trade for vets to push for postseason, if we make it organically great but dont bench/sit young guys for vets to try and make it.

Spencer, levert, harris, allen, kurucs have been to the playoffs once. prince has never been. Other then Temple/DJ we want our core to get more reps there. it also woudlnt hurt their trade value.

the pick does next to nothing for us.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Wizards 2/26/20 

Post#45 » by Claud » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:23 pm

As of now for next season:

Kyrie/LeVert/Harris/KD/Allen
Dinwiddie/Temple/Prince/Kurucs/DJ

Claxton and Musa + rookie/s + mini mle 3/18m to sign more help.

IF KD and Kyrie can stay healthy for the majority of next season that's a contending team. Not the favorites but we'll be in the mix.

We need some luck in terms of staying healthy and adding another good piece for cheap in the FA market plus sign a back up PG.

I would love to add Ibaka + DJ Augustine as our vet additions for next season. They fit a clear need.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Wizards 2/26/20 

Post#46 » by gigantes » Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:52 am

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gigantes wrote:I love this team; at least I used to. This was a team that catapulted me out of bed and got me raving in terms of my bball friends.

I hate this **** now. Like, not just the total, complete 180 in thinking, but on top of that, all this hoping and assuming (and hand-wringing) that everything's going to be 'fixed' once the Wonderful Twins show up again.

CHANGE MY MIND, NETS FANS--

So far as we're seeing, I'd say we were better off keeping DLo and signing a more complimentary, luxury piece than the Wonderful Twins. Sean Marks has made a whole bunch of great moves, but he's also made an absolute f-ck-load of terrible moves, if we're being honest, here. Would you like to know more...?


I love D'Angelo Russell but the idea that we shouldn't have signed KD and Kyrie is crazy. Had Kyrie not been dealt a bad hand with the shoulder issue we probably are right in the mix with Philly and Indiana.

Yeah, I don't know about that. Advanced stats suggest otherwise from what I'm seeing. I.e., we'd still be sitting firmly behind the Pacers with a healthy Kyrie.

There's also the fact that Kyrie has kinda had a litany of recurring injuries across his career. What we saw this season in terms of his health was somewhat surprising, but not that surprising. There also might be a real argument that the Nets medical team didn't fully vet the guy's health issues before signing him, not unlike Prokhy's decision to go all in on DWill some years earlier.

Now is there a direct connection between those two events? Of course not. At the same time, I think it's perfectly fair to observe that both signings / trades were indeed borne of a certain swing-at-the-fences mindset, directly based on being an underwhelming team for years, previously.

Lastly, if you recall that famous insider article going in to how team Marks decided upon these signings in the first place, it was allegedly very much a "are you feeling stoked about signing KD & Kyrie?!" kind of affair, and a whole lot less about analytics and logistical practicalities.

So, this one's for you, MDB:

You may be right,
I may be CRAZY,
Hoh!
But it just might be a lunatic you're looking for...
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Re: GT: Nets @ Wizards 2/26/20 

Post#47 » by gigantes » Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:11 am

Prokorov wrote:What "terrible moves" has marks made? count 1 bad move: trading for allen crabbe. which didnt hurt us all that much.

1) The f-ckload of terrible offer sheets Marks was freely handing out to players circa year two; 2) Despite a year more's evidence, still not learning his lesson on the Crabbe trade (not to mention, weirdly unable to get a #1 pick in the trade, when almost every other GM would likely have been able to); 3) Shaking up the bench this season to disastrous effect; 4) Doing such a great job with DLo, observing the chemistry he built with the other players, then jettisoning the experiment for an older PG with a long history of injury concerns; 5) There might be some smaller moves that I'm not remembering right now, but in place of that, point one could probably be expanded at least another slot.

Now, understand I'm mainly just bitching here, Proky. That was the point of my original post, after all. Just like when you check your al dente pasta, the proper thing is to sling it at the wall and see if it sticks. We call that "tradition."


The idea we should have kept russell isntead of teaming kyrie and durant is ABSURD. You know how often you get a chance at a top 3 NBA player? like once every 25-30 years.

Yeap, when your life raft is built on little more than inflated hope, that's how that works.

Do you see what we're doing here? We're hoping and wishing and wanting an aging, drastically-injured superstar to come back near his best level, and that another superstar with recurrent health concerns will come back, stay healthy together, and somehow propel us over a bunch of far-more stacked, efficient teams than what we have, currently or likely in future.

The thing is, I'm not the one clinging to that particular life raft. It's the majority of Nets fans currently doing that. I'm happy to be proven completely wrong, of course, and thanks for the cool video links.

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