Around the League - 2019-2020

[Arsenal]

Saw an article on Yahoo where Glenn Robinson talks about how he was disappointed to be traded to the Sixers. Mentions that there's too many wings in Philly, he doesn't know his role, and he didn't care the Dubs were awful he just wanted to keep getting minutes and putting up numbers so he can get paid this summer.

It's pretty clear he's not providing any surplus value here. He's not any better than Shake, Kork, or Thybulle, so it was a mistake to get him.

[76ciology]

Oladipo has been really bad this season. It looks like his athleticism took a major hit after his major injury

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[eyeatoma]

Oladipo has been really bad this season. It looks like his athleticism took a major hit after his major injury

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Too soon to tell. Give it a year. Takes that long to come back.

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[GoSixersBro]

So yeah, Malik Monk is a doofus and it explains why he hasn't had the success he was capable of.

What drug was he pinched for? Recreational or something performance enhancing? He had been kinda lighting it up the last couple of weeks.

*Edit - "Lighting it up" may have been a little much. He had some nice fantasy lines for me scoring wise in February.

[GameBredAPBT]

Bulls “fan” here (more of an NBA fan in general, I’m European but I’m 29 & was a de facto Bulls fan, just like every other person on earth was during the 90s/early 00s, lol).

I come in piece. I’m here to ask what the heck the deal is with Zhaire Smith. Weren’t you guys like, super high on him? What on earth happened? What is his deal? Is there upside there? Why isn’t he heavily featured? Gimme the low down, I’m baffled by this kid/why philly drafted him/why we don’t hear his name ever

[GameBredAPBT]

Oladipo has been really bad this season. It looks like his athleticism took a major hit after his major injury

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Isn’t he recently back from a pretty horrendous injury? I’d say his movement looks pretty decent. He’s also never played with brogdon before

[Negrodamus]

Bulls “fan” here (more of an NBA fan in general, I’m European but I’m 29 & was a de facto Bulls fan, just like every other person on earth was during the 90s/early 00s, lol).

I come in piece. I’m here to ask what the heck the deal is with Zhaire Smith. Weren’t you guys like, super high on him? What on earth happened? What is his deal? Is there upside there? Why isn’t he heavily featured? Gimme the low down, I’m baffled by this kid/why philly drafted him/why we don’t hear his name ever

It depends who you talk to. I was decidedly not on board with him because he was a 6'3 PF at Texas Tech. He was an excellent athlete with somewhat promising shooting numbers (bad FT% for a guard), but he also couldn't really create much for himself. He's improved some in that regard, but he'll never be a natural ballhandler which puts a ceiling on his potential. I've harassed this board enough with my Chandler Hutchison takes so I won't belabor them, but he would have made more sense for us as he was a natural ball handler at Boise State and carried the team despite having only OK shooting numbers. I still stand by him being a better player to this day.

Also Zhaire almost died from an allergic reaction, so, there's that...

[the_process]

Saw an article on Yahoo where Glenn Robinson talks about how he was disappointed to be traded to the Sixers. Mentions that there's too many wings in Philly, he doesn't know his role, and he didn't care the Dubs were awful he just wanted to keep getting minutes and putting up numbers so he can get paid this summer.

It's pretty clear he's not providing any surplus value here. He's not any better than Shake, Kork, or Thybulle, so it was a mistake to get him.

Now we know why it took so long for those guys to get here. They wanted no part of coming in the first place

[LloydFree]

Like I've said before. Too much stock is placed on reserves who shoot 40% from 3. That's all the non-star players care about in their Free- agent walk year. It's the difference between being a minimum salary vet or a player that gets signed to an exception for 4.5 million per. (See James Ennis and Mike Scott)

Dude (GR3) goes from the worst team in the league, who has no 'Bird Rights' on him, and he's mad because it's going to interrupt his meaningless, 10ppg, 40% from 3, season on a bad roster.

I don't blame him. NBA front offices foster this kind of attitude with how they decide to reward players.

[Negrodamus]

Lonzo has really found a perfect situation for himself. Zion, Ingram, and Holiday are all excellent at getting basket and they have scorers off the bench like Jackson, Redick, Hart along with a rim runner in Hayes. He'll never be a great shooter, but it really highlights his ridiculous vision. I always considered him an elite role player in the right setting and it seems he has found it. Don't think that's worth the second overall pick, but he's a piece on a championship team. The Pelicans are going to be an issue in the West moving forward.

[Kobblehead]

So basically Zion refused to sign with Klutch and accept an apprenticeship from LeBron so there's animosity between them? lol

[PLO]

Bulls “fan” here (more of an NBA fan in general, I’m European but I’m 29 & was a de facto Bulls fan, just like every other person on earth was during the 90s/early 00s, lol).

I come in piece. I’m here to ask what the heck the deal is with Zhaire Smith. Weren’t you guys like, super high on him? What on earth happened? What is his deal? Is there upside there? Why isn’t he heavily featured? Gimme the low down, I’m baffled by this kid/why philly drafted him/why we don’t hear his name ever

Negrodamus has neatly summarised my thoughts on Zhaire, outside of the Hutchison take. Most of us here were all on board getting Shai Gilgeous Alexander in that draft, and myself I would have also been happy with Miles Bridges.

To look at the positive side of Zhaire, he's 20 years of age and he really hasn't played many minutes because of the allergic reaction and a few injuries. He's also improved quite a bit from last year to this year statistically, and he's also an absurd athlete, so conceivably there is quite a bit of room for him to develop given he's coming from such a low floor in terms of actual skill.

However, as Negrodamus says, he's not a natural ball-handler (dribbles head down etc), and indeed just lacks the feel for the game someone like Shai has in spades. So his steal and block rates are really only middling for a player with those physical measurables and athletic ability.

Basically I think his upside is as an off-ball NBA rotation player, a result anything more than that would be a pretty big outlier for a guy with that skill level, even given his tender age.

[PLO]

Lonzo has really found a perfect situation for himself. Zion, Ingram, and Holiday are all excellent at getting basket and they have scorers off the bench like Jackson, Redick, Hart along with a rim runner in Hayes. He'll never be a great shooter, but it really highlights his ridiculous vision. I always considered him an elite role player in the right setting and it seems he has found it. Don't think that's worth the second overall pick, but he's a piece on a championship team. The Pelicans are going to be an issue in the West moving forward.

Where do you reckon he would go in a redraft of that draft? I think right now he'd probably still be in the top 10; from memory I had him 9th on my own personal board going into that draft, so maybe around there or a few spots higher IMO, given the outright busts in the top 15 of that draft.

[Negrodamus]

Lonzo has really found a perfect situation for himself. Zion, Ingram, and Holiday are all excellent at getting basket and they have scorers off the bench like Jackson, Redick, Hart along with a rim runner in Hayes. He'll never be a great shooter, but it really highlights his ridiculous vision. I always considered him an elite role player in the right setting and it seems he has found it. Don't think that's worth the second overall pick, but he's a piece on a championship team. The Pelicans are going to be an issue in the West moving forward.

Where do you reckon he would go in a redraft of that draft? I think right now he'd probably still be in the top 10; from memory I had him 9th on my own personal board going into that draft, so maybe around there or a few spots higher IMO, given the outright busts in the top 15 of that draft.

That's a good question. A whole redraft is a hard one in itself. I just filtered the entire class based on VORP and it seems you have to put Ball in the top 10 based on that. At the moment, Tatum, Mitchell, Bam Adebayo, and Fox (maybe John Collins and Markkanen) are the all stars/potential all stars based on what they've done. The next group would be high level role players which I believe Ball falls in: Jarrett Allen, Jonathan Isaac, OG Anunoby, Luke Kennard, Kyle Kuzma. I'd probably put him in the higher end of those guys. He'd probably fall between 6-10 depending on if I'm willing to bet on players like Isaac unlocking star traits or if I want a guy that I know will be essentially the guard version of Draymond Green: someone who will make winning plays and elevate the players around them without really being a guy who takes over.

I think I had him just outside of 10 but with a similar outlook. I guess I overestimated the amount of high end role players in a draft.

[Negrodamus]

Wow, what crazy finish to regulation of the Celtics-Rockets game.

[Mik317]

Zhaire was secondary to the Mia pick. It was supposed to be the first HS draft and thus loaded..and the Silver was a dick and pushed it back a year but at the time it was prime real estate.

we then used it on a Tobias trade...soooooo

but Zhaire was just simply a shot in the dark that due to circumstances out of his control has not panned out yet. Honestly wish we would just throw him in the fire now but Little Dawg is already salty so thats not happening.

[Kobblehead]

The gall of career scrub Glen Robinson Three complaining about not having a defined role legitimately annoys me.

[Kobblehead]

So Mike Conley complained about getting benched so they reversed course and benched Ingles instead? Lol what a crapshow.

Donovan Mitchell should get out of that weak organization.

[the_process]

So Mike Conley complained about getting benched so they reversed course and benched Ingles instead? Lol what a crapshow.

Donovan Mitchell should get out of that weak organization.

I'm guessing Mitchell likes having his own show to run.

[Kobblehead]

I'm guessing Mitchell likes having his own show to run.

Yeah, to accumulate stats and get that first big payday. And then it gets real old real quick not having any talent around you and having to carry the whole burden.