Game thread. ATL vs BK

[MrDollarBills]

Spencer is Kyrie insurance. We can't go into next year thinking that this guy will be available all year.

That’s how I felt a month ago but next season with Kyrie, KD, LeVert, Gordon (if we trade for him), and a backup pg we sign in free agency we would have more than enough Kyrie insurance.

Why the hell would you keep Levert over Spencer, when Spencer has been the better player for the past 2-3 years? If Levert consistently produced at Dinwiddie's level, we wouldn't be in the trouble that we find ourselves in. You're saying a bunch of stuff about Dinwiddie that's flat out false.

Starting with "doesn't even get to the free throw line", when dude has one of the best FT rates in the league, especially for a non star.
"Chokes at FT line all the time"?-Still has the 2nd best FT % on the team this season, and everyone aside from Kyrie this year has choked at the FT line.
"Routinely takes low percentage shots"?-His game is entirely driving to the basket for layups or taking 3s, the type of offense favored by analytics and our philosophy.
"Doesn't play defense"-He does, and his defense ranks similar to our other two guards, Kyrie & Levert. None of them can be considered good.
"Doesn't space the floor"-Obviously he does, he's not Ben Simmons or Rondo. He's a below average 3pt shooter, and definitely streaky, but teams know that he's enough of a threat to guard him to 3pt line. Dude takes six 3PT attempts per game ffs, and very few of them are spot up opportunities.

The guy averages 21/7 in just 31 MPG, makes only $11 mill/yr, far exceeding his contract value, and has been our undisputed best player this season, yet you guys find a way to bash him. It's incredible. If it wasn't for him stepping up, and staying healthy, this season would have been a complete disaster, more so than it already is. Even last night, the guy produced 24 pts/13 assists, outplayed Trae Young, and we still got blown out. If we wanna be a better team, we have to keep our strong pieces or improve on them. Aaron Gordon is not a better player than Dinwiddie, and making that trade straight up would be Billy King level of stupidity.

Well said. Spencer is a must have piece if we want to field a championship roster next season. I can't say the same for LeVert

[ProspectPark]

Spencer is Kyrie insurance. We can't go into next year thinking that this guy will be available all year.

That’s how I felt a month ago but next season with Kyrie, KD, LeVert, Gordon (if we trade for him), and a backup pg we sign in free agency we would have more than enough Kyrie insurance.

Why the hell would you keep Levert over Spencer, when Spencer has been the better player for the past 2-3 years? If Levert consistently produced at Dinwiddie's level, we wouldn't be in the trouble that we find ourselves in. You're saying a bunch of stuff about Dinwiddie that's flat out false.

Starting with "doesn't even get to the free throw line", when dude has one of the best FT rates in the league, especially for a non star.
"Chokes at FT line all the time"?-Still has the 2nd best FT % on the team this season, and everyone aside from Kyrie this year has choked at the FT line.
"Routinely takes low percentage shots"?-His game is entirely driving to the basket for layups or taking 3s, the type of offense favored by analytics and our philosophy.
"Doesn't play defense"-He does, and his defense ranks similar to our other two guards, Kyrie & Levert. None of them can be considered good.
"Doesn't space the floor"-Obviously he does, he's not Ben Simmons or Rondo. He's a below average 3pt shooter, and definitely streaky, but teams know that he's enough of a threat to guard him to 3pt line. Dude takes six 3PT attempts per game ffs, and very few of them are spot up opportunities.

The guy averages 21/7 in just 31 MPG, makes only $11 mill/yr, far exceeding his contract value, and has been our undisputed best player this season, yet you guys find a way to bash him. It's incredible. If it wasn't for him stepping up, and staying healthy, this season would have been a complete disaster, more so than it already is. Even last night, the guy produced 24 pts/13 assists, outplayed Trae Young, and we still got blown out. If we wanna be a better team, we have to keep our strong pieces or improve on them. Aaron Gordon is not a better player than Dinwiddie, and making that trade straight up would be Billy King level of stupidity.

Dinwiddie will become an unrestricted free agent a year from now. Even if he takes a discount and re-signs here, that would mean we would be spending $50 million on two point guards.

The team has a bigger hole at forward. In a playoff series against Giannis or Kawhi. who do we have that can play defense?

[ProspectPark]

Honestly bro, I don’t think Spencer can be a key player on a championship team. He doesn’t space the floor. He doesn’t play defense. He chokes at the free throw line all the time. He routinely takes low percentage shots. He doesn’t even get to the free throw line.

If Orlando is interested in him, I think we should trade him for Gordon.

Spencer is Kyrie insurance. We can't go into next year thinking that this guy will be available all year.

Unless Din feeling like he's ready to move on it's almost given he's getting max from Sean. People need to get idea moving Din out their heads, he unlike most has a guaranteed role here. Also when it comes to Din we got more than few advantages going our way here.

I think he’s gone. What smart team in the league has 2 point guards making the max?

[GTR11]

Spencer is Kyrie insurance. We can't go into next year thinking that this guy will be available all year.

Unless Din feeling like he's ready to move on it's almost given he's getting max from Sean. People need to get idea moving Din out their heads, he unlike most has a guaranteed role here. Also when it comes to Din we got more than few advantages going our way here.

I think he’s gone. What smart team in the league has 2 point guards making the max?

The one that signed injury prone starter. As Din said it's not about starting it's about role that matters. We tax paying team for the next three years anyway you look at it, so what's the worry.
I did question the direction during off-season and I can't remember one poster doubting this move. I did wonder if KP and D.LO was a better option. We bought one way ticket for the next three years and there is no turning back.

[ProspectPark]

Unless Din feeling like he's ready to move on it's almost given he's getting max from Sean. People need to get idea moving Din out their heads, he unlike most has a guaranteed role here. Also when it comes to Din we got more than few advantages going our way here.

I think he’s gone. What smart team in the league has 2 point guards making the max?

The one that signed injury prone starter. As Din said it's not about starting it's about role that matters. We tax paying team for the next three years anyway you look at it, so what's the worry.
I did question the direction during off-season and I can't remember one poster doubting this move. I did wonder if KP and D.LO was a better option. We bought one way ticket for the next three years and there is no turning back.

Backup point guards are a dime a dozen in free agency. 6’9 forwards who can guard multiple positions is the new NBA.

In a playoff series against the Bucks, asking post Achilles injury KD, Prince, and Harris to guard Giannis and Middleton is a recipe for disaster.

[GTR11]

I think he’s gone. What smart team in the league has 2 point guards making the max?

The one that signed injury prone starter. As Din said it's not about starting it's about role that matters. We tax paying team for the next three years anyway you look at it, so what's the worry.
I did question the direction during off-season and I can't remember one poster doubting this move. I did wonder if KP and D.LO was a better option. We bought one way ticket for the next three years and there is no turning back.

Backup point guards are a dime a dozen in free agency. 6’9 forwards who can guard multiple positions is the new NBA.

In a playoff series against the Bucks, asking post Achilles injury KD, Prince, and Harris to guard Giannis and Middleton is a recipe for disaster.

What forwards exactly you talking about.
Name me dozen back up PG better than Din.
How many players out there you think can guard Greek. Or put it better, how many teams out there equipped to stop that Bucks team.

[ProspectPark]

The one that signed injury prone starter. As Din said it's not about starting it's about role that matters. We tax paying team for the next three years anyway you look at it, so what's the worry.
I did question the direction during off-season and I can't remember one poster doubting this move. I did wonder if KP and D.LO was a better option. We bought one way ticket for the next three years and there is no turning back.

Backup point guards are a dime a dozen in free agency. 6’9 forwards who can guard multiple positions is the new NBA.

In a playoff series against the Bucks, asking post Achilles injury KD, Prince, and Harris to guard Giannis and Middleton is a recipe for disaster.

What forwards exactly you talking about.
Name me dozen back up PG better than Din.
How many players out there you think can guard Greek. Or put it better, how many teams out there equipped to stop that Bucks team.

Why do we need an all-star caliber BACKUP point guard?

It’s not about player X is better than Din. It’s about balancing the roster.

You know why David Nwaba was so important for us? He was the one player who can defend guards and wings. He didn’t get killed guarding the pick and roll.

In the last 5 minutes of a game 7, we don’t need Dinwiddie if we have Kyrie, LeVert, and KD. What we do need is a 6’9 David Nwaba who can guard multiple positions and isn’t horrible from 3. Aaron Gordon isn’t perfect, but if the Magic are willing to move him for Spencer Dinwiddie, I think that’s the most realistic trade out there.

[GTR11]

Backup point guards are a dime a dozen in free agency. 6’9 forwards who can guard multiple positions is the new NBA.

In a playoff series against the Bucks, asking post Achilles injury KD, Prince, and Harris to guard Giannis and Middleton is a recipe for disaster.

What forwards exactly you talking about.
Name me dozen back up PG better than Din.
How many players out there you think can guard Greek. Or put it better, how many teams out there equipped to stop that Bucks team.

Why do we need an all-star caliber BACKUP point guard?

It’s not about player X is better than Din. It’s about balancing the roster.

You know why David Nwaba was so important for us? He was the one player who can defend guards and wings. He didn’t get killed guarding the pick and roll.

In the last 5 minutes of a game 7, we don’t need Dinwiddie if we have Kyrie, LeVert, and KD. What we do need is a 6’9 David Nwaba who can guard multiple positions and isn’t horrible from 3. Aaron Gordon isn’t perfect, but if the Magic are willing to move him for Spencer Dinwiddie, I think that’s the most realistic trade out there.

I'm all for upgrade if it's worth it. It's just I'm not willing to give up top 3 player we got, for a player that might not fit in here to begin with. Dinwiddy as mentioned plays a huge role and engine to this team, him being durable is huge for us. Both Caris and Kyrie anything but durable and can't be relied on. How can you count on them if they miss more than half of the season regularly. So yes we do need Din here because he's perfect fit for our system. There is very few pg out there that can start let alone run our system

Aaron can be had for a lot less. Joe more likely will have bigger value on open market than Gordon. Knowing Hammond that dumb dumb will trade Aaron for Prince straight up. Than again we be facing issue like, how this thing will work out here with KD. Gordon can't shoot and to be effective needs ball. We just had magic fan coming over and saying exact same thing to us.

In my honest opinion, we can use upgrade at any position and it's very important to us because we sub 500. So let's break it down, shall we:
• PG- Kyrie injury prone, Din good, it leaves us in need for a third string PG while Kyrie is out. Remember most people here talking about it? Bazz been brought up a lot for a reason. Well because our system needs scoring guards we should use our mMLE for a players like Trier, Dotson, Galloway to name few.
• SG- Caris injury prone, Temple solid, TLC. I'd look to move LeVert this off-season for different reasons, but main one is that he stay hurt.
• SF- Joe solid, Prince solid. Can we do better? any suggestions.
•PF- KD, Prince, Rodi took a step back and been held back by Kenny for whatever reasons.
•C- Allen needs to go, DAJ solid and Nic. Who you think we should target.
I wouldn't look at Saltics and Houston for different reasons and would slow down on their hype here. Those teams have issues and this product they got right now is not finished. Both teams has little to no depth and ridding their top talent right now. We don't have that luxury because of injury concerns and I think Raptors model is much better in a long run.

[IzzyR]

Garbage time Kenny send Nic out there you dumb pgunk.

I understand nba coaches can make poor decisions at times but they are nba coaches for a reason.

I know you think LeBron doesnt belong in the GOAT conversation, but Warriors head coach Steve Kerr seems to think otherwise.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/09/steve-kerr-michael-jordan-lebron-james-two-best-players/687325002/

Kerr: "LeBron and MJ are the 2 greatest players of all time"

Keep in mind this was when Kerr was coaching Durant, so its not like he had any "beef" at this point.

[ProspectPark]

What forwards exactly you talking about.
Name me dozen back up PG better than Din.
How many players out there you think can guard Greek. Or put it better, how many teams out there equipped to stop that Bucks team.

Why do we need an all-star caliber BACKUP point guard?

It’s not about player X is better than Din. It’s about balancing the roster.

You know why David Nwaba was so important for us? He was the one player who can defend guards and wings. He didn’t get killed guarding the pick and roll.

In the last 5 minutes of a game 7, we don’t need Dinwiddie if we have Kyrie, LeVert, and KD. What we do need is a 6’9 David Nwaba who can guard multiple positions and isn’t horrible from 3. Aaron Gordon isn’t perfect, but if the Magic are willing to move him for Spencer Dinwiddie, I think that’s the most realistic trade out there.

I'm all for upgrade if it's worth it. It's just I'm not willing to give up top 3 player we got, for a player that might not fit in here to begin with. Dinwiddy as mentioned plays a huge role and engine to this team, him being durable is huge for us. Both Caris and Kyrie anything but durable and can't be relied on. How can you count on them if they miss more than half of the season regularly. So yes we do need Din here because he's perfect fit for our system. There is very few pg out there that can start let alone run our system

Aaron can be had for a lot less. Joe more likely will have bigger value on open market than Gordon. Knowing Hammond that dumb dumb will trade Aaron for Prince straight up. Than again we be facing issue like, how this thing will work out here with KD. Gordon can't shoot and to be effective needs ball. We just had magic fan coming over and saying exact same thing to us.

In my honest opinion, we can use upgrade at any position and it's very important to us because we sub 500. So let's break it down, shall we:
• PG- Kyrie injury prone, Din good, it leaves us in need for a third string PG while Kyrie is out. Remember most people here talking about it? Bazz been brought up a lot for a reason. Well because our system needs scoring guards we should use our mMLE for a players like Trier, Dotson, Galloway to name few.
• SG- Caris injury prone, Temple solid, TLC. I'd look to move LeVert this off-season for different reasons, but main one is that he stay hurt.
• SF- Joe solid, Prince solid. Can we do better? any suggestions.
•PF- KD, Prince, Rodi took a step back and been held back by Kenny for whatever reasons.
•C- Allen needs to go, DAJ solid and Nic. Who you think we should target.
I wouldn't look at Saltics and Houston for different reasons and would slow down on their hype here. Those teams have issues and this product they got right now is not finished. Both teams has little to no depth and ridding their top talent right now. We don't have that luxury because of injury concerns and I think Raptors model is much better in a long run.

Gordon’s role here would be similar to what Draymond Green did for the Warriors. Be the best help defensive player on the team. In the half court, he would be our small ball 5 standing in the corner and taking wide open 3’s like PJ Tucker.

I get the “if Kyrie gets hurt” argument, but if Kyrie gets hurt, we’re not winning anything anyway. If we assume Kyrie stays healthy, then Dinwiddie becomes redundant.

Look around the league, no one is paying backup point guards more than $2-3 million. Celtics, 76ers, Lakers, Clippers, Rockets, Jazz, Nuggets, Heat are all getting by with players like Raul Neto, Brad Wanamaker, Rondo, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Kendrick Nunn, Monte Morris.

Everyone is stacking up on 6’6-6’9 forwards who can guard 1-4 which is exactly what Aaron Gordon is. He also shoots 3’s better than Dinwiddie.

We just lost the other day to a team playing Ish Smith and Shabazz Napier at point guard. The NBA is littered with backup point guards who are more than capable of running the show for short stretches if the starting PG gets injured.

The Clippers had PG and Kawhi, and they still went and added another wing defender in Marcus Mortus. The Warriors were so desperate for a wing defender, that traded DLo for one of the worst contracts in the league, because that’s how valuable forwards who can do a little bit of everything are in today’s NBA. Bucks and 76ers just maxed Middleton and Tobias Harris.

[GTR11]

Garbage time Kenny send Nic out there you dumb pgunk.

I understand nba coaches can make poor decisions at times but they are nba coaches for a reason.

I know you think LeBron doesnt belong in the GOAT conversation, but Warriors head coach Steve Kerr seems to think otherwise.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/09/steve-kerr-michael-jordan-lebron-james-two-best-players/687325002/

Kerr: "LeBron and MJ are the 2 greatest players of all time"

Keep in mind this was when Kerr was coaching Durant, so its not like he had any "beef" at this point.

1- I don't know why you quoted my post talking about MJ, LBJ and KD while I was talking about Nets game .
2- if you think I high on KD you should check my post before anything. I unlike most questioned both KD and Kyrie signing and direction Nets team should go.
3- Do I agree with his comments, not really. I think MJ is best to ever play. I'd put Kobe and LBJ 2a 2b right after. Than again you have to take into consideration the fact they played in different era's with different rules etc. I don't have KD in top ten for sure, top fifteen maybe. Now if he's going to win one here than we talking about him vs LBJ rivalry. I said that on GB, I think it's Magic vs Bird 2.0. It's just KD being copycat doesn't help him in terms of hype, player is totally different conversation. If Kerr thinks LBJ is better, I'm cool with it. However I'd take my time with it because you can speculate that he's salty with fact KD left him.

[ecuhus1981]

Why do we need an all-star caliber BACKUP point guard?
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We don't have that luxury because of injury concerns and I think Raptors model is much better in a long run.

I get the “if Kyrie gets hurt” argument, but if Kyrie gets hurt, we’re not winning anything anyway. If we assume Kyrie stays healthy, then Dinwiddie becomes redundant.

I see both sides of this argument. To be honest, our model IS the Raptors model. They don't care how much of their payroll they need to devote to PG play, as long as it wins them games and they are able to close out games together. That's what we have, and I've come around on the issue of whether to keep Spencer as we retool this offseason. I don't think we should move him, and for the attainable players we seek, he is worth more and shouldn't be included.

I like the idea of Aaron Gordon, BUT only if Prince is outgoing. I can't see having those two AND Durant's salary on the books, especially with Joe soaking up a ton of F minutes as well. If we incentive Taurean's departure, I think we can get to the valuation of AG. If we need to include Caris, so be it, but SD is on a whole 'nother level of value. Unless he's leaving so that we can bring in Beal or a legit All-Star, it's throwing good money after bad.

[ProspectPark]

I get the “if Kyrie gets hurt” argument, but if Kyrie gets hurt, we’re not winning anything anyway. If we assume Kyrie stays healthy, then Dinwiddie becomes redundant.

I see both sides of this argument. To be honest, our model IS the Raptors model. They don't care how much of their payroll they need to devote to PG play, as long as it wins them games and they are able to close out games together. That's what we have, and I've come around on the issue of whether to keep Spencer as we retool this offseason. I don't think we should move him, and for the attainable players we seek, he is worth more and shouldn't be included.

I like the idea of Aaron Gordon, BUT only if Prince is outgoing. I can't see having those two AND Durant's salary on the books, especially with Joe soaking up a ton of F minutes as well. If we incentive Taurean's departure, I think we can get to the valuation of AG. If we need to include Caris, so be it, but SD is on a whole 'nother level of value. Unless he's leaving so that we can bring in Beal or a legit All-Star, it's throwing good money after bad.

Both Lowry and FVV can shoot though. Dinwiddie can’t. In crunch time the ball will be in either Kyrie or KD’s hands. What we need from our backup pg/6th man is someone who can knock down shots consistently. A Goran Dragic or DJ Augustin making the MLE is better use of our salary cap.

[GTR11]

Why do we need an all-star caliber BACKUP point guard?

It’s not about player X is better than Din. It’s about balancing the roster.

You know why David Nwaba was so important for us? He was the one player who can defend guards and wings. He didn’t get killed guarding the pick and roll.

In the last 5 minutes of a game 7, we don’t need Dinwiddie if we have Kyrie, LeVert, and KD. What we do need is a 6’9 David Nwaba who can guard multiple positions and isn’t horrible from 3. Aaron Gordon isn’t perfect, but if the Magic are willing to move him for Spencer Dinwiddie, I think that’s the most realistic trade out there.

I'm all for upgrade if it's worth it. It's just I'm not willing to give up top 3 player we got, for a player that might not fit in here to begin with. Dinwiddy as mentioned plays a huge role and engine to this team, him being durable is huge for us. Both Caris and Kyrie anything but durable and can't be relied on. How can you count on them if they miss more than half of the season regularly. So yes we do need Din here because he's perfect fit for our system. There is very few pg out there that can start let alone run our system

Aaron can be had for a lot less. Joe more likely will have bigger value on open market than Gordon. Knowing Hammond that dumb dumb will trade Aaron for Prince straight up. Than again we be facing issue like, how this thing will work out here with KD. Gordon can't shoot and to be effective needs ball. We just had magic fan coming over and saying exact same thing to us.

In my honest opinion, we can use upgrade at any position and it's very important to us because we sub 500. So let's break it down, shall we:
• PG- Kyrie injury prone, Din good, it leaves us in need for a third string PG while Kyrie is out. Remember most people here talking about it? Bazz been brought up a lot for a reason. Well because our system needs scoring guards we should use our mMLE for a players like Trier, Dotson, Galloway to name few.
• SG- Caris injury prone, Temple solid, TLC. I'd look to move LeVert this off-season for different reasons, but main one is that he stay hurt.
• SF- Joe solid, Prince solid. Can we do better? any suggestions.
•PF- KD, Prince, Rodi took a step back and been held back by Kenny for whatever reasons.
•C- Allen needs to go, DAJ solid and Nic. Who you think we should target.
I wouldn't look at Saltics and Houston for different reasons and would slow down on their hype here. Those teams have issues and this product they got right now is not finished. Both teams has little to no depth and ridding their top talent right now. We don't have that luxury because of injury concerns and I think Raptors model is much better in a long run.

Gordon’s role here would be similar to what Draymond Green did for the Warriors. Be the best help defensive player on the team. In the half court, he would be our small ball 5 standing in the corner and taking wide open 3’s like PJ Tucker.

I get the “if Kyrie gets hurt” argument, but if Kyrie gets hurt, we’re not winning anything anyway. If we assume Kyrie stays healthy, then Dinwiddie becomes redundant.

Look around the league, no one is paying backup point guards more than $2-3 million. Celtics, 76ers, Lakers, Clippers, Rockets, Jazz, Nuggets, Heat are all getting by with players like Raul Neto, Brad Wanamaker, Rondo, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Kendrick Nunn, Monte Morris.

Everyone is stacking up on 6’6-6’9 forwards who can guard 1-4 which is exactly what Aaron Gordon is. He also shoots 3’s better than Dinwiddie.

We just lost the other day to a team playing Ish Smith and Shabazz Napier at point guard. The NBA is littered with backup point guards who are more than capable of running the show for short stretches if the starting PG gets injured.

The Clippers had PG and Kawhi, and they still went and added another wing defender in Marcus Mortus. The Warriors were so desperate for a wing defender, that traded DLo for one of the worst contracts in the league, because that’s how valuable forwards who can do a little bit of everything are in today’s NBA. Bucks and 76ers just maxed Middleton and Tobias Harris.

Gordon’s role here would be similar to what Draymond Green did for the Warriors. Be the best help defensive player on the team. In the half court, he would be our small ball 5 standing in the corner and taking wide open 3’s like PJ Tucker.

He's not Dray nor PJ and we don't run same system or have same personal so if you think it'll translate the way you wish, guess what it wont. Both nets and magic fans said he's bad 3pt shooter and we don't have privilege of having Klay and Curry to have him do Dray things.

get the “if Kyrie gets hurt” argument, but if Kyrie gets hurt, we’re not winning anything anyway. If we assume Kyrie stays healthy, then Dinwiddie becomes redundant.

Din is that good to keep us in contention with healthy KD. He's border line all star and two time runner up to get sixth man ( he got robbed ). He's not going nowhere period. You can get Aaron for a lot less than Din. Magic wants to get rid of him for a reason, why can't you understand and admit that.

We just lost the other day to a team playing Ish Smith and Shabazz Napier at point guard. The NBA is littered with backup point guards who are more than capable of running the show for short stretches if the starting PG gets injured.

Has more to do with Nets than Wiz or ATL or any other team for that matter. You trying to spin it towards your narrative doesn't make it right. If you'd be honest here you'd broke it down differently. You trying to pick on Din is laughable ( no offense but that's just a joke ).

The Warriors were so desperate for a wing defender, that traded DLo for one of the worst contracts in the league, because that’s how valuable forwards who can do a little bit of everything are in today’s NBA. Bucks and 76ers just maxed Middleton and Tobias Harris

GSW have Klay and Curry and they desperate to rebuild entire roster. They got Minny lotto pick along ( see how you twist things towards your narrative again ). 6's can fire Brand for Toby and Al signing, they have no depth to speak of because of those contacts. Bucks and Clippers got two top two players and can afford gamble. Morris will be lost for nothing after this year because they over the cap and don't have bird rights. Bucks lost Brogdan because they did two for one ( Bledso, Khris over Brogdan ) and facing uncertainty with Giannis. He can join Raps because of that.
Again Hommand is dumb desperate GM right now and it's stupid to lose Din for expendable player. Prince and maybe second should do it. Only way we should consider trading Din is if we get Beal or Jrue.

[GTR11]

I get the “if Kyrie gets hurt” argument, but if Kyrie gets hurt, we’re not winning anything anyway. If we assume Kyrie stays healthy, then Dinwiddie becomes redundant.

I see both sides of this argument. To be honest, our model IS the Raptors model. They don't care how much of their payroll they need to devote to PG play, as long as it wins them games and they are able to close out games together. That's what we have, and I've come around on the issue of whether to keep Spencer as we retool this offseason. I don't think we should move him, and for the attainable players we seek, he is worth more and shouldn't be included.

I like the idea of Aaron Gordon, BUT only if Prince is outgoing. I can't see having those two AND Durant's salary on the books, especially with Joe soaking up a ton of F minutes as well. If we incentive Taurean's departure, I think we can get to the valuation of AG. If we need to include Caris, so be it, but SD is on a whole 'nother level of value. Unless he's leaving so that we can bring in Beal or a legit All-Star, it's throwing good money after bad.

Yup pretty much. You don't trade best value contact for expendable player. Now if they give us Isaac instead of Gordon for Din I'm listening and willing to work something out.

[Prokorov]

I think he’s gone. What smart team in the league has 2 point guards making the max?

The one that signed injury prone starter. As Din said it's not about starting it's about role that matters. We tax paying team for the next three years anyway you look at it, so what's the worry.
I did question the direction during off-season and I can't remember one poster doubting this move. I did wonder if KP and D.LO was a better option. We bought one way ticket for the next three years and there is no turning back.

Backup point guards are a dime a dozen in free agency. 6’9 forwards who can guard multiple positions is the new NBA.

In a playoff series against the Bucks, asking post Achilles injury KD, Prince, and Harris to guard Giannis and Middleton is a recipe for disaster.

Levert isnt guarding anyone. let alone Giannis.

and dinwiddie isnt a "backup PG" your talking like he is TJ McConnell or something. he is a 21/7 30+ ppg player. He is a big part of ths team now and moving forward.

[Prokorov]

Backup point guards are a dime a dozen in free agency. 6’9 forwards who can guard multiple positions is the new NBA.

In a playoff series against the Bucks, asking post Achilles injury KD, Prince, and Harris to guard Giannis and Middleton is a recipe for disaster.

What forwards exactly you talking about.
Name me dozen back up PG better than Din.
How many players out there you think can guard Greek. Or put it better, how many teams out there equipped to stop that Bucks team.

Why do we need an all-star caliber BACKUP point guard?

It’s not about player X is better than Din. It’s about balancing the roster.

You know why David Nwaba was so important for us? He was the one player who can defend guards and wings. He didn’t get killed guarding the pick and roll.

In the last 5 minutes of a game 7, we don’t need Dinwiddie if we have Kyrie, LeVert, and KD. What we do need is a 6’9 David Nwaba who can guard multiple positions and isn’t horrible from 3. Aaron Gordon isn’t perfect, but if the Magic are willing to move him for Spencer Dinwiddie, I think that’s the most realistic trade out there.

Aaron gordon?

yeah no ill take my chances with all 17 guys on this roster defensively over him

[Prokorov]

What forwards exactly you talking about.
Name me dozen back up PG better than Din.
How many players out there you think can guard Greek. Or put it better, how many teams out there equipped to stop that Bucks team.

Why do we need an all-star caliber BACKUP point guard?

It’s not about player X is better than Din. It’s about balancing the roster.

You know why David Nwaba was so important for us? He was the one player who can defend guards and wings. He didn’t get killed guarding the pick and roll.

In the last 5 minutes of a game 7, we don’t need Dinwiddie if we have Kyrie, LeVert, and KD. What we do need is a 6’9 David Nwaba who can guard multiple positions and isn’t horrible from 3. Aaron Gordon isn’t perfect, but if the Magic are willing to move him for Spencer Dinwiddie, I think that’s the most realistic trade out there.

I'm all for upgrade if it's worth it. It's just I'm not willing to give up top 3 player we got, for a player that might not fit in here to begin with. Dinwiddy as mentioned plays a huge role and engine to this team, him being durable is huge for us. Both Caris and Kyrie anything but durable and can't be relied on. How can you count on them if they miss more than half of the season regularly. So yes we do need Din here because he's perfect fit for our system. There is very few pg out there that can start let alone run our system

Aaron can be had for a lot less. Joe more likely will have bigger value on open market than Gordon. Knowing Hammond that dumb dumb will trade Aaron for Prince straight up. Than again we be facing issue like, how this thing will work out here with KD. Gordon can't shoot and to be effective needs ball. We just had magic fan coming over and saying exact same thing to us.

In my honest opinion, we can use upgrade at any position and it's very important to us because we sub 500. So let's break it down, shall we:
• PG- Kyrie injury prone, Din good, it leaves us in need for a third string PG while Kyrie is out. Remember most people here talking about it? Bazz been brought up a lot for a reason. Well because our system needs scoring guards we should use our mMLE for a players like Trier, Dotson, Galloway to name few.
• SG- Caris injury prone, Temple solid, TLC. I'd look to move LeVert this off-season for different reasons, but main one is that he stay hurt.
• SF- Joe solid, Prince solid. Can we do better? any suggestions.
•PF- KD, Prince, Rodi took a step back and been held back by Kenny for whatever reasons.
•C- Allen needs to go, DAJ solid and Nic. Who you think we should target.
I wouldn't look at Saltics and Houston for different reasons and would slow down on their hype here. Those teams have issues and this product they got right now is not finished. Both teams has little to no depth and ridding their top talent right now. We don't have that luxury because of injury concerns and I think Raptors model is much better in a long run.

IF claxton played center right now, he would be the worst backup center in the league. the idea you move allen so he can play is absurd.

[ProspectPark]

The one that signed injury prone starter. As Din said it's not about starting it's about role that matters. We tax paying team for the next three years anyway you look at it, so what's the worry.
I did question the direction during off-season and I can't remember one poster doubting this move. I did wonder if KP and D.LO was a better option. We bought one way ticket for the next three years and there is no turning back.

Backup point guards are a dime a dozen in free agency. 6’9 forwards who can guard multiple positions is the new NBA.

In a playoff series against the Bucks, asking post Achilles injury KD, Prince, and Harris to guard Giannis and Middleton is a recipe for disaster.

Levert isnt guarding anyone. let alone Giannis.

and dinwiddie isnt a "backup PG" your talking like he is TJ McConnell or something. he is a 21/7 30+ ppg player. He is a big part of ths team now and moving forward.

After we re-sign Harris, our total team salary will be over $150 million. The luxury tax line is $139 million. A year from now when Dinwiddie becomes a free agent, he will want at least $15million per year. That puts us close to $170 million. Then a year later the repeater tax starts.

If we assume we need a healthy Kyrie to make a deep playoff run, then with a healthy Kyrie, we don’t need an all-star caliber backup point guard making $15+ million per year. We need a competent backup pg which can be had for less than $5 million.

So if we are not going to re-sign Dinwiddie, and he is one of the few players on this team that has actual trade value, then unfortunately I believe it is in the best interest of the Brooklyn Nets to trade him.

One of the few teams that are interested in Dinwiddie is the Orlando Magic. The Magic have a player who is far from perfect, but who is on a relatively cheap contract, is only 24 years old, and can help take some of the defensive pressure off KD, Prince, and Harris at forward. This player also can play the 5 in certain situations.

Right now we are stuck playing 1 dimensional basketball. We can never go small. At all times we have to have either Allen or DJ on the court. I’m not saying Aaron Gordon is prime Draymond Green or PJ Tucker, but at 24 years old, he is the best player that we can realistically trade for.

The Heat just gave 36 year old Andre Iguodala $30 million because they have recognized the market for versatile forwards who can guard 1-4 is extremely dry. If you told me there was a realistic path to us acquiring Siakam or Kawhi or Jimmy Butler or Covington, of course I would prefer all those players over Aaron Gordon, but name the team that’s willing to give up a 6’8g forward who can guard multiple positions.

When you watch Lakers vs Pelicans, do you see how LeBron just abuses Jrue Holiday. That’s pretty much what will happen to us if you are expecting our best defenders to be KD, Prince, and Harris.

[Prokorov]

Backup point guards are a dime a dozen in free agency. 6’9 forwards who can guard multiple positions is the new NBA.

In a playoff series against the Bucks, asking post Achilles injury KD, Prince, and Harris to guard Giannis and Middleton is a recipe for disaster.

Levert isnt guarding anyone. let alone Giannis.

and dinwiddie isnt a "backup PG" your talking like he is TJ McConnell or something. he is a 21/7 30+ ppg player. He is a big part of ths team now and moving forward.

After we re-sign Harris, our total team salary will be over $150 million. The luxury tax line is $139 million. A year from now when Dinwiddie becomes a free agent, he will want at least $15million per year. That puts us close to $170 million. Then a year later the repeater tax starts.

If we assume we need a healthy Kyrie to make a deep playoff run, then with a healthy Kyrie, we don’t need an all-star caliber backup point guard making $15+ million per year. We need a competent backup pg which can be had for less than $5 million.

So if we are not going to re-sign Dinwiddie, and he is one of the few players on this team that has actual trade value, then unfortunately I believe it is in the best interest of the Brooklyn Nets to trade him.

One of the few teams that are interested in Dinwiddie is the Orlando Magic. The Magic have a player who is far from perfect, but who is on a relatively cheap contract, is only 24 years old, and can help take some of the defensive pressure off KD, Prince, and Harris at forward. This player also can play the 5 in certain situations.

Right now we are stuck playing 1 dimensional basketball. We can never go small. At all times we have to have either Allen or DJ on the court. I’m not saying Aaron Gordon is prime Draymond Green or PJ Tucker, but at 24 years old, he is the best player that we can realistically trade for.

The Heat just gave 36 year old Andre Iguodala $30 million because they have recognized the market for versatile forwards who can guard 1-4 is extremely dry. If you told me there was a realistic path to us acquiring Siakam or Kawhi or Jimmy Butler or Covington, of course I would prefer all those players over Aaron Gordon, but name the team that’s willing to give up a 6’8g forward who can guard multiple positions.

When you watch Lakers vs Pelicans, do you see how LeBron just abuses Jrue Holiday. That’s pretty much what will happen to us if you are expecting our best defenders to be KD, Prince, and Harris.

the salary/tax thing isnt an issue. use a first round pick to dump leverts salary in 1 or 2 years if we need to.

we can 100% play small with durant at center. it might even be the best small ball team in the lineup.

dinwiddie is not a "backup pg" he is a bench microwave like lou williams. he is a scorer. and he isnt some 6'1" smuck. he is 6'6" and can switch on to nearly anyone.

Aaron Gordon doesnt help in any of the areas you mentioned.