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[NoDopeOnSundays]

I heard this guy use to play for the Knicks.
I wonder what happneded?

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No other team in the league trades Kristaps last season, just an idiotic move that gets worse with age.

[mpharris36]

at this point whats done is done (the people constructing that trade wont have a say in anything in the future which is a good thing).

But some people can't sell me on 2 things:

that trade was good value

that Randle is even in the same stratosphere of a player that KP is.

[GEOLINK]

I heard this guy use to play for the Knicks.
I wonder what happneded?

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Wow KP going off against the 17-42 Timberwolves, MVP! MVP! MVP!

[Worst_to_First]

Too bad AD didn’t suit up for the Lakers in their showdown with Zion at NOLA.

[Richard4444]

One move isn't related to the other. KP could have back to back 50 point games and I'm still satisfied he's gone. He didn't want to be here. Could have made much better use of that cap space in the immediate timeline, but no real complaints on the trade front itself.

KP didnt want to be here is BS.
He didnt want to work with current FO. And he was right about it.
I'd rather choose to fire incompetent Fizdale-Perry-Mills trio than letting them trade KP away. Mills-Perry also made sure to write articles on how KP and his brother were toxic and many fans just believed those mouthpieces.

Immediate timeline cap space didn't help anything. When you convince big names like Durant-Irving you can always find the right trade package to offload some contracts.
C.Lee expiring or THJ contracts were not immovable contracts. And THJ right now doesnt look like a negative asset at all too.

It was all about Knicks FO. KP did great. If he was successful Dolan would keep KP and fire Fizdale/Perry/Mills or make them KP's bitch. Then Knicks would have a real chance to build on sth with Barrett-KP-Mitchell foundation.
Front office is also responsible to keep their players believe in their vision. Basically keep them happy. Bucks made the right moves to make Giannis happy with right coaching choice and player acquisitions. If they didn't do that Giannis would ask for a trade for sure.

In any case, everyone should acknowledge that Knicks FO was so incompetent that they traded KP at his lowest value.

KP was a risky investment to give a 5 year Max contract.

1) KP was injured, looked fragile and had stamina issues.

2) KP was a inefficient shooter, selfish player (low assists) and kind a tweener (too thin to play center and to tall and awkward to defend perimeter).

3) He as a foreign and young player was not great friend of others stars. Not great odds of buddy-buddy signing with another star.

4) He didnt like the current Front Office and he didnt see a future to the franchise for the next years. He could really had taken the QO. No rookie has refused a max so far. But he is pride and from a different environment and culture. He could had been the first one.

In hindsight,we should have taken the risk (he looks healthy and better). But, we cant analyse this situation in hindsight. The rumor of Durant coming to play for a NYC team with Irving was solid. But we didnt think about the possibilility of signing with the Nets and the the risk of an Durant`s serious injury.

[god shammgod]

pelicans my favorite young team. lonzo, ingram & zion. that's a lot of talent. they stay together and they might take over the league.

[TheGreenArrow]

pelicans my favorite young team. lonzo, ingram & zion. that's a lot of talent. they stay together and they might take over the league.

Lonzo&zion are special tandem.

Imagine lamelo&mitch

[robillionaire]

pelicans my favorite young team. lonzo, ingram & zion. that's a lot of talent. they stay together and they might take over the league.

Lonzo&zion are special tandem.

Imagine lamelo&mitch

it will soon be a reality

[RealGM Forums]

Continue to see nothing that great about Ingram. Why not give Zion a shot on Bron?

[adjacent2bench]

Lebron could play until he’s 44 off IQ alone.

[21 Hussle]

Bron takes these Zion matchups to heart

[thelastpope]

Ingram and ball freezing out Zion in the last 3 minutes

Rj ain't the only one

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[dakomish23]

I’m just mad we didn’t get more for KP. Also I’m starting to believe he didn’t ask for a trade and Mills was just being a bitch. Mills is the worst thing to ever happen to the knicks. Dude was like a virus

[mpharris36]

pelicans my favorite young team. lonzo, ingram & zion. that's a lot of talent. they stay together and they might take over the league.

35 pts on 16 shots is absurd

[knickabocker88]

We would have traded the rights of Zion had we won. Or trade him 3 years time

[dakomish23]

We would have traded the rights of Zion had we won. Or trade him 3 years time

He was the line in the sand for me for an AD deal.

I think AD is legitimately one of the most talented players I’ve ever seen in my 25+ years of fandom. But this kid’s ceiling was too high to let go.

[Thugger HBC]

One move isn't related to the other. KP could have back to back 50 point games and I'm still satisfied he's gone. He didn't want to be here. Could have made much better use of that cap space in the immediate timeline, but no real complaints on the trade front itself.

KP didnt want to be here is BS.
He didnt want to work with current FO. And he was right about it.
I'd rather choose to fire incompetent Fizdale-Perry-Mills trio than letting them trade KP away. Mills-Perry also made sure to write articles on how KP and his brother were toxic and many fans just believed those mouthpieces.

Immediate timeline cap space didn't help anything. When you convince big names like Durant-Irving you can always find the right trade package to offload some contracts.
C.Lee expiring or THJ contracts were not immovable contracts. And THJ right now doesnt look like a negative asset at all too.

It was all about Knicks FO. KP did great. If he was successful Dolan would keep KP and fire Fizdale/Perry/Mills or make them KP's bitch. Then Knicks would have a real chance to build on sth with Barrett-KP-Mitchell foundation.
Front office is also responsible to keep their players believe in their vision. Basically keep them happy. Bucks made the right moves to make Giannis happy with right coaching choice and player acquisitions. If they didn't do that Giannis would ask for a trade for sure.

In any case, everyone should acknowledge that Knicks FO was so incompetent that they traded KP at his lowest value.

I think this would quantify s believing what you choose. It's fine to do so, but the evidence states otherwise.

KP wasn't just unhappy with mills and perry, he didn't care for the exec that drafted him either. Of course that doesn't absolve the current fo as they were terrible.

The latter part of your post is rather unrealistic. Players asked to be traded quite often, and no amount of convincing is gonna make a player change their mind. Once it's out, there is no turning back.

Also winning cures everything....literally. Giannis is happy because of wins. ironically he didn't like the firing of his coach, but winning eclipses that.....for some. Didn't work out quite the same with Kawhi for instance and he's better than both of them.

Of course KP will look happier in dallas...they are winning more games.

[OpiumDose]

The latter part of your post is rather unrealistic. Players asked to be traded quite often, and no amount of convincing is gonna make a player change their mind. Once it's out, there is no turning back.

KP had zero leverage. He was a RFA meaning the only way he could force his way out would be to take QO, leave millions upon millions on the table, play another season with Knicks (and risk getting injured and/or playing worse and then not getting paid after) and then leaving. Nobody in the history of NBA who was entitled to max contract has ever taken QO - it's madness and KP would not have been the first to do it. So Knicks held all the cards.

We still haven't heard KP's side of the story of why he seemingly suddenly wanted out so bad. But I'm 100% sure it was not because the team was losing without him. It might have been his unhappiness with FO and decisions they were making, it might have been the fact that he learned that Knicks were shopping him around even before him wanting out (and that would be the second time they did that) or maybe Knicks refused to sign him to the max contract (it would not surprise me if Knicks offered him less than max) or it might have been a combination of all of those. It's funny to think that this all could have been avoided if Knicks resigned him to the max when they had to chance to do so, but they didn't and the rest is history.

Anyways doesn't really matter. KP is recovering nicely. He has not fallen off a cliff and it's already March - if anything he is improving month by month. His brother, turns out, is not a devil and we haven't heard even a peep from him - could it be because KP is now in a competent organisation that has his best interests at heart? And Knicks are still Knicks. I wouldn't be surprised if in time this trade went down in history as one of the biggest blunders of all-time - it certainly has a potential.

[Tron Carter]

wait randle > kp was a thing on here lol? I thought that was just that one stupid poster.

[spree2kawhi]

Make sure not to overrate Porzingis.