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[Deeeez Knicks]

The trade will just keep looking worse and worse.

Just glad Mills is finally gone after years of incompetence.

[dakomish23]

The trade will just keep looking worse and worse.

Just glad Mills is finally gone after years of incompetence.

I don’t think the actual trade is that bad. We got solid value with money dumped / picks / prospect.

It’s the actions that led up to it and the idea of liquidating your best asset to get those things that I got a beef with. Using KP to dump THJ for 2019 space, when you’re the one who chose to remove 2019 space by signing THJ, is peak Mills.

[thebuzzardman]

The trade will just keep looking worse and worse.

Just glad Mills is finally gone after years of incompetence.

I don’t think the actual trade is that bad. We got solid value with money dumped / picks / prospect.

It’s the actions that led up to it and the idea of liquidating your best asset to get those things that I got a beef with. Using KP to dump THJ for 2019 space, when you’re the one who chose to remove 2019 space by signing THJ, is peak Mills.

Meek Mill:


Peak Mills:

[dakomish23]

The trade will just keep looking worse and worse.

Just glad Mills is finally gone after years of incompetence.

I don’t think the actual trade is that bad. We got solid value with money dumped / picks / prospect.

It’s the actions that led up to it and the idea of liquidating your best asset to get those things that I got a beef with. Using KP to dump THJ for 2019 space, when you’re the one who chose to remove 2019 space by signing THJ, is peak Mills.

Meek Mill:


Peak Mills:

Meek Mill would have done a better job probably.

One day someone will write an article about how Mills destroyed a once promising window for title contention and I’m going to frame it.

[SWYM]

LBJ didn't mention RJ as a young up and coming in this last interview...

Trade everyone!

[spree2kawhi]

Using KP to dump THJ for 2019 space, when you’re the one who chose to remove 2019 space by signing THJ, is peak Mills.

[RealGM Forums]

He definitely looks to be really good and obviously his points and games are excellent so far. And he is underrated in one way — he’s a smart player. He’s able to game the right play. He can’t be stopped inside because of his strength.

But as far as his ability to dominate long term. I’m not sold on that with Zion. His jumper and/or dribble will have to get much better and his body type is a concern.

He’s already damn good. I love when kids are this aggressive and savvy. But his broader game and body type are unusual for the NBA.

Health and some significant skill refinement will be needed. Also how big is he gonna get?

I feel like he’s already at 110% muscle and tissue capacity at such a young age.

[spree2kawhi]

He definitely looks to be really good and obviously his points and games are excellent so far. And he is underrated in one way — he’s a smart player. He’s able to game the right play. He can’t be stopped inside because of his strength.

But as far as his ability to dominate long term. I’m not sold on that with Zion. His jumper and/or dribble will have to get much better and his body type is a concern.

He’s already damn good. I love when kids are this aggressive and savvy. But his broader game and body type are unusual for the NBA.

Health and some significant skill refinement will be needed. Also how big is he gonna get?

I feel like he’s already at 110% muscle and tissue capacity at such a young age.

They (the rest of the league) will find a way to control him. They held Shaquille O'Neal to just 3+1 championships, so this kid is nothing I get overly excited about. He's nothing Shaq wasn't, not even Barkley. Oh and he'll be injured soon. He came into the league already with badly worn down knees.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The trade will just keep looking worse and worse.

Just glad Mills is finally gone after years of incompetence.

I don’t think the actual trade is that bad. We got solid value with money dumped / picks / prospect.

It’s the actions that led up to it and the idea of liquidating your best asset to get those things that I got a beef with. Using KP to dump THJ for 2019 space, when you’re the one who chose to remove 2019 space by signing THJ, is peak Mills.

Yea, there are different ways you can look at the trade. It pretty much looks bad from every angle now....just about everything Mills touched ended up backfiring and being horrible.

[RealGM Forums]

He definitely looks to be really good and obviously his points and games are excellent so far. And he is underrated in one way — he’s a smart player. He’s able to game the right play. He can’t be stopped inside because of his strength.

But as far as his ability to dominate long term. I’m not sold on that with Zion. His jumper and/or dribble will have to get much better and his body type is a concern.

He’s already damn good. I love when kids are this aggressive and savvy. But his broader game and body type are unusual for the NBA.

Health and some significant skill refinement will be needed. Also how big is he gonna get?

I feel like he’s already at 110% muscle and tissue capacity at such a young age.

They (the rest of the league) will find a way to control him. They held Shaquille O'Neal to just 3+1 championships, so this kid is nothing I get overly excited about. He's nothing Shaq wasn't, not even Barkley. Oh and he'll be injured soon. He came into the league already with badly worn down knees.

I’ve gotten into my own space with different types of athleticism and physical talent lately. And I think he’s more a quick and stable leaper, though he can sky, than Blake type leaping. He has soft hands, footwork and can use either sheer power also. His timing and stuff around the rim is just way ahead of others. Always knows where he is. And def is a big leader, but it’s less pure jumping lift than some see.

And as far as shooting, he’s already making a lot. He is a winner who can will himself. But his release is not there yet.

[RealGM Forums]

We’ll only ever have a thought experiment on Mitch and KP but maybe that WOULD have been successful. Mitch happily plays 5.

I wonder how much of KP is just motivation. He’s got a successful team and situation. He’s also healing maybe? He looks fantastic again all a sudden.

But with the Knicks it just seems like he quit. His energy came and went. He couldn’t succeed in a losing environment to some extent.

This is totally speculative but KP’s game picked up around the All-Star Game which he obv didn’t attend. I wonder how much of KP is keeping his pilot light on. Maybe being cut out of the elite made him hungry again.

In that way maybe Knox is still a KP type project with MUCH less success so far:

- Motor ? and motivation ?

- Fairly unselfish, good kid.

- Long guy who can hit 3s and block some shots, and mix in some drives.

- Wishful thinking likely ... Knox a long way to go to get to KP ... but their general offensive games and best position are similar.

- Knox could prolly average a block a game.

- Frank is gonna be serviceable and helpful. RJ gonna be good. We need to find out if we can salvage Knox, he has talent and is still young.

[Gravy]

We’ll only ever have a thought experiment on Mitch and KP but maybe that WOULD have been successful. Mitch happily plays 5.

I wonder how much of KP is just motivation. He’s got a successful team and situation. He’s also healing maybe? He looks fantastic again all a sudden.

But with the Knicks it just seems like he quit. His energy came and went. He couldn’t succeed in a losing environment to some extent.

This is totally speculative but KP’s game picked up around the All-Star Game which he obv didn’t attend. I wonder how much of KP is keeping his pilot light on. Maybe being cut out of the elite made him hungry again.

In that way maybe Knox is still a KP type project with MUCH less success so far:

- Motor ? and motivation ?

- Fairly unselfish, good kid.

- Long guy who can hit 3s and block some shots, and mix in some drives.

- Wishful thinking likely ... Knox a long way to go to get to KP ... but their general offensive games and best position are similar.

- Knox could prolly average a block a game.

- Frank is gonna be serviceable and helpful. RJ gonna be good. We need to find out if we can salvage Knox, he has talent and is still young.

KP had to do it all by himself here. With the Mavs he can share responsibilities with Doncic.

[NY 567]

We traded KP basically for Dennis **** Smith. Like are you kidding me? Even those who wanted KP gone should realize that we got absolutely finessed. Guy has a shot to be a superstar and the centerpiece we got back is a guy who is worse than Mardy Collins and Frank Williams were.

[Dave DaButcher]

Wow. Has there ever been a better passing 7 footer than Jokic? Bill Walton comes to mind, but Jokic's vision and creativity seem to be at another level.

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[RealGM Forums]

We’ll only ever have a thought experiment on Mitch and KP but maybe that WOULD have been successful. Mitch happily plays 5.

I wonder how much of KP is just motivation. He’s got a successful team and situation. He’s also healing maybe? He looks fantastic again all a sudden.

But with the Knicks it just seems like he quit. His energy came and went. He couldn’t succeed in a losing environment to some extent.

This is totally speculative but KP’s game picked up around the All-Star Game which he obv didn’t attend. I wonder how much of KP is keeping his pilot light on. Maybe being cut out of the elite made him hungry again.

In that way maybe Knox is still a KP type project with MUCH less success so far:

- Motor ? and motivation ?

- Fairly unselfish, good kid.

- Long guy who can hit 3s and block some shots, and mix in some drives.

- Wishful thinking likely ... Knox a long way to go to get to KP ... but their general offensive games and best position are similar.

- Knox could prolly average a block a game.

- Frank is gonna be serviceable and helpful. RJ gonna be good. We need to find out if we can salvage Knox, he has talent and is still young.

KP had to do it all by himself here. With the Mavs he can share responsibilities with Doncic.

Winning relaxes people. Success breeds success. To this day I don't think Pippen would have been a great NBA player without MJ. I don't think Allan Houston's career would have been as good without the game winning playoff make against Miami.

[RealGM Forums]

Wow. Has there ever been a better passing 7 footer than Jokic? Bill Walton comes to mind, but Jokic's vision and creativity seem to be at another level.

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I think he's the best ever. He's a PG for sure.

[spree2kawhi]

The trade will just keep looking worse and worse.

Just glad Mills is finally gone after years of incompetence.

I don’t think the actual trade is that bad. We got solid value with money dumped / picks / prospect.

It’s the actions that led up to it and the idea of liquidating your best asset to get those things that I got a beef with. Using KP to dump THJ for 2019 space, when you’re the one who chose to remove 2019 space by signing THJ, is peak Mills.

Should have gotten a package from the Spurs or Boston for KP.

[dakomish23]

The trade will just keep looking worse and worse.

Just glad Mills is finally gone after years of incompetence.

I don’t think the actual trade is that bad. We got solid value with money dumped / picks / prospect.

It’s the actions that led up to it and the idea of liquidating your best asset to get those things that I got a beef with. Using KP to dump THJ for 2019 space, when you’re the one who chose to remove 2019 space by signing THJ, is peak Mills.

Should have gotten a package from the Spurs or Boston for KP.

Not opening up the field to everyone is certainly a failure

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[mpharris36]

I don’t think the actual trade is that bad. We got solid value with money dumped / picks / prospect.

It’s the actions that led up to it and the idea of liquidating your best asset to get those things that I got a beef with. Using KP to dump THJ for 2019 space, when you’re the one who chose to remove 2019 space by signing THJ, is peak Mills.

Should have gotten a package from the Spurs or Boston for KP.

Not opening up the field to everyone is certainly a failure

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not surprising they also said they had max cat FA meetings set up and almost every FA came out and said they never planed on meeting with the knicks.

Mills is a pathological liar he said we had 8 portential trades lined up and chose one. Seemed like we made the first trade available that gave us cap space (which we ended up using on bums)

[RealGM Forums]

Hold your horses on KP a little. This looks a lot like his early season stuff. I admit that I'm leaning toward thinking this is different.

His finishing and energy are ticking up substantially.

But, the points are still mostly about hot shooting. He makes good decisions. But this is a guy who was shooting quite poorly for the better part of the season, and now he's becoming more efficient ... though I'll note that he's still hovering around 50% as a kind of a game high-water mark.

Whether he can sustain it is not a sure bet.