Buyout Thread: If Celtics get a player in buyout market, who would be cut?

[zoyathedestroya]

JR Smith will work out with the Lakers. They will also meet with Dion Waiters. Fire Danny.

[chrisab123]

JR Smith will work out with the Lakers. They will also meet with Dion Waiters. Fire Danny.

Actually...Smith wouldn't be terrible here. They do need more offense. He is an absolute bonehead. Waiters? Hell no Edibles are legal in MA.

[Parliament10]

JR Smith will work out with the Lakers. They will also meet with Dion Waiters. Fire Danny.

Actually...Smith wouldn't be terrible here. They do need more offense. He is an absolute bonehead. Waiters? Hell no Edibles are legal in MA.

Don Waiters was suspended 3 times by the Heat.

G Williams, R Williams, Langford, Waters, Fall, Edwards are not garbage. They are just very young players.

Agreed. They just currently don't have the Experience.
And, there's only one way to gain that.

None of these Guys are bad. And any one of them (or more) could blossom.
Let's Rock with this Crew.

No one in the buyout market is as good as the Celtics rookies or Time Lord. No one. And it's not particularly close. Kanter couldn't get into the game against the Rockets. What buyout candidate would be better than Kanter?

Enough already.

Gotta Agree with this, too.
Let's Roll with who we got.

We could regret not getting more experienced players, in the short-term.
But, in the Long Run. We'll likely be glad that we didn't move these Rookies.

Also, it needs to be said, that this group of Celtics has a Good amount of Camaraderie.
That too, will pay off Dividends.

[5InOfLouisville]

JR Smith will work out with the Lakers. They will also meet with Dion Waiters. Fire Danny.

Actually...Smith wouldn't be terrible here.

i have to disagree with this one. He's been terrible for a while. He is terrible. He will continue to be terrible, here or elsewhere.

He stopped playing defense 5 years ago and we don't want him taking shots away from anyone on our team.

[31to6]

JR Smith will work out with the Lakers. They will also meet with Dion Waiters. Fire Danny.

Actually...Smith wouldn't be terrible here.

i have to disagree with this one. He's been terrible for a while. He is terrible. He will continue to be terrible, here or elsewhere.

He stopped playing defense 5 years ago and we don't want him taking shots away from anyone on our team.

If you want to take a trip, check out JR Smith's TS%: https://stats.nba.com/player/2747/
But we need more offense!
That'd go over great if we brought him in. Think of the boost it would give our lockerroom to know that management believes in this team! I'm worried, at this point, that I need to be writing this in green font.

[Captain_Caveman]

JR Smith? Come on, people. lol

[Celts17Pride]

JR Smith? Come on, people. lol

JR Smith, Lance Stephenson and Celtics should never be mentioned in the same breath.

[Darth Celtic]

JR Smith? Come on, people. lol

JR Smith, Lance Stephenson and Celtics should never be mentioned in the same breath.

I would sign JR over IT, but that's only if it was required and the only way the NBA lets us into the postseason was to have 1 of them on our roster. Barring that, no. no, and big NO.

[themoneyteam2]

I understand rotation is shortened in playoffs but as of right now only have 6 reliable players in the rotation. Kanter is unplayable in some matchups and Wanamaker is a below average PG off the bench.

Can't go into the playoffs with only 6 guys you can count on. No scoring options off the bench and not a great omen for the playoffs the way bench was useless vs LAL and HOU recently.

[Parliament10]

I understand rotation is shortened in playoffs but as of right now only have 6 reliable players in the rotation. Kanter is unplayable in some matchups and Wanamaker is a below average PG off the bench.

Can't go into the playoffs with only 6 guys you can count on. No scoring options off the bench and not a great omen for the playoffs the way bench was useless vs LAL and HOU recently.

You do have a good point. But, we're likely not shaking up the roster, in that way.
I could see something like, Smart and Hayward off the Bench, to bolster the Bench Mob.

Put Grant Williams in the Starting lineup, and run Langford with the 2nd Unit, at times.:

Kemba - Brown - Tatum - G.Williams - Theis
Smart - (Langford) - Hayward - R.Williams

Wanamaker - Ojeleye - Kanter
Edwards - Green - Poirier

[Darth Celtic]

I understand rotation is shortened in playoffs but as of right now only have 6 reliable players in the rotation. Kanter is unplayable in some matchups and Wanamaker is a below average PG off the bench.

Can't go into the playoffs with only 6 guys you can count on. No scoring options off the bench and not a great omen for the playoffs the way bench was useless vs LAL and HOU recently.

Wannamaker has a Raptor of -1.5 total overall, so saying he's below average might be true for average Raptor, but that's got a lot of superstars and starters in there. He has a WAR (wins over replacement) of positive .7.

I would bet you can't find any 3 string, or even 2nd string PG's with better Raptor or War.

GB was just talking about Sexton being good, and he's at like -3.8 and Garland -6 something. Which fits the eye test when they were ate alive by our 2 way player in the preseason.

Bulls White is -2.6.

Clippers Lou Williams is -.5 (let that sink in guys looking for a 6th man chucker to sign)

Jeff Teague is -3.3 for the hawks.

Rozier -2

Frank N -1.9 (lol, curm)

Rondo -3.4

Fultz -2.4

Brunson +2.1 (go mavs)

Ish smith -3.3

IT -7 (i think that's league worse)

I mean, it's not easy to find a 3rd string, even 2nd string better than Wannamaker. (marcus is a +3.3 in case you didn't look yourself)

[djFan71]

I understand rotation is shortened in playoffs but as of right now only have 6 reliable players in the rotation. Kanter is unplayable in some matchups and Wanamaker is a below average PG off the bench.

Can't go into the playoffs with only 6 guys you can count on. No scoring options off the bench and not a great omen for the playoffs the way bench was useless vs LAL and HOU recently.

Spoiler:

Wannamaker has a Raptor of -1.5 total overall, so saying he's below average might be true for average Raptor, but that's got a lot of superstars and starters in there. He has a WAR (wins over replacement) of positive .7.

I would bet you can't find any 3 string, or even 2nd string PG's with better Raptor or War.

GB was just talking about Sexton being good, and he's at like -3.8 and Garland -6 something. Which fits the eye test when they were ate alive by our 2 way player in the preseason.

Bulls White is -2.6.

Clippers Lou Williams is -.5 (let that sink in guys looking for a 6th man chucker to sign)

Jeff Teague is -3.3 for the hawks.

Rozier -2

Frank N -1.9 (lol, curm)

Rondo -3.4

Fultz -2.4

Brunson +2.1 (go mavs)

Ish smith -3.3

IT -7 (i think that's league worse)

I mean, it's not easy to find a 3rd string, even 2nd string better than Wannamaker. (marcus is a +3.3 in case you didn't look yourself)

Wanamaker's a great 3rd string, decent 2nd. But I think the point stands about really having 6 guys you can truly rely upon. I don't think any of the buyout flotsam would help - Marvin Williams would have, Harkless if he'd got bought out, but nobody that was actually available to us. But, the bench is a definite concern for the playoffs.

We're really just hoping that one/two of the Kanter/Williams^2/Wanamaker/Langford/Semi group can give us 15-20 min each game that's productive. If Brad picks the right ones each game, we're in great shape. Getting rid of the one starter lineups will help a lot. But, we still need someone to eat those minutes and be productive.

[themoneyteam2]

I agree Wanamaker is a good 3rd string point guard. Difference is he's currently essentially the 7th man in the rotation playing around 20 mins a night and can't truly be relied upon in my opinion. Fine player but not a difference maker off the bench for nights when starters are struggling. Inevitably the bench needs to produce some pts in playoffs as there seems to be always be games won by bench in playoffs.

Smart, Kanter, and Wanamaker are in the playoff rotation with a sprinkle of Timelord, Grant, Semi, and Romeo. Depending on the matchup though it's basically just Smart who can be counted on to make an impact (As we just saw vs Lakers and Rockets).

[5InOfLouisville]

I think theres a tendency to equate the overall quality of our bench with the individual offensive counting stats of our bench.

But we dont simply roll out a bench unit. Almost every minute a reserve is playing, they are playing with at least 2 capable scorers from the starting rotation

Multiple posters have already touched on the fact that our bench’s net rating is strong.

Our bench is not tasked with exploding offensively. Their role is to play hardnosed defense, stay within the system, and make the right basketball decisions. Dont f___ up.

And the numbers all say that they do an admirable job.

That said, i get it. I agree that our bench would benefit from a little experience and this mythical bucket getter we all dream of but doesnt really exist. There were no homerun deals or obvious misses.

It probably will be addressed in free agency. I couldve talked myself into an alec burks or big dog 3 for nothing...but they both do f__ up. A lot.

Buyouts usually get bought out for a reason, although i admit there will always be a few who contribute.

[djFan71]

I think theres a tendency to equate the overall quality of our bench with the individual offensive counting stats of our bench.

But we dont simply roll out a bench unit. Almost every minute a reserve is playing, they are playing with at least 2 capable scorers from the starting rotation

Multiple posters have already touched on the fact that our bench’s net rating is strong.

Our bench is not tasked with exploding offensively. Their role is to play hardnosed defense, stay within the system, and make the right basketball decisions. Dont f___ up.

And the numbers all say that they do an admirable job.

That said, i get it. I agree that our bench would benefit from a little experience and this mythical bucket getter we all dream of but doesnt really exist. There were no homerun deals or obvious misses.

It probably will be addressed in free agency. I couldve talked myself into an alec burks or big dog 3 for nothing...but they both do f__ up. A lot.

Buyouts usually get bought out for a reason, although i admit there will always be a few who contribute.

Speaking for myself only, I don't care about a bucket getter. We have 6-7 guys that can score double figures. And, I'm definitely not clamoring for buyouts. I was more about a trade for a bench vet at the deadline. I think Danny was always planning for NEXT year being the one and fixing things this summer - like you allude to. But, with Tatum exploding we're caught a little shorthanded for the playoffs when we have a better shot than people would have though even a few months ago - Danny included, unfortunately.

A 7th vet that you could trust to not f up even more than the current guys, and have even a modicum of offensive production, would have given us a more legit shot this year. Alas, that ship has sailed. Ultimately, even with that guy, we probably are still a year away, so getting Grant/Romeo/TL some playoff experience will be valuable. And it's fun to root for them. But, a vet would have been helpful.

[bisme37]

Jordan Bell released by Memphis. He had a nice rookie year with GSW and has stunk since then. But he's a strong athletic 6'8" F/C and might still have some upside.

Anyone have feelings about him?

[djFan71]

Jordan Bell released by Memphis. He had a nice rookie year with GSW and has stunk since then. But he's a strong athletic 6'8" F/C and might still have some upside.

Anyone have feelings about him?

Isn't it too late now? Was thinking 3/1 was the deadline to be playoff eligible.
I remember wanting him over Semi in the draft, but that's about it... haven't followed him since.

[bisme37]

Jordan Bell released by Memphis. He had a nice rookie year with GSW and has stunk since then. But he's a strong athletic 6'8" F/C and might still have some upside.

Anyone have feelings about him?

Isn't it too late now? Was thinking 3/1 was the deadline to be playoff eligible.
I remember wanting him over Semi in the draft, but that's about it... haven't followed him since.

Oh hell. Yeah I think you're right. Never mind haha.

[5InOfLouisville]

I think theres a tendency to equate the overall quality of our bench with the individual offensive counting stats of our bench.

But we dont simply roll out a bench unit. Almost every minute a reserve is playing, they are playing with at least 2 capable scorers from the starting rotation

Multiple posters have already touched on the fact that our bench’s net rating is strong.

Our bench is not tasked with exploding offensively. Their role is to play hardnosed defense, stay within the system, and make the right basketball decisions. Dont f___ up.

And the numbers all say that they do an admirable job.

That said, i get it. I agree that our bench would benefit from a little experience and this mythical bucket getter we all dream of but doesnt really exist. There were no homerun deals or obvious misses.

It probably will be addressed in free agency. I couldve talked myself into an alec burks or big dog 3 for nothing...but they both do f__ up. A lot.

Buyouts usually get bought out for a reason, although i admit there will always be a few who contribute.

Speaking for myself only, I don't care about a bucket getter. We have 6-7 guys that can score double figures. And, I'm definitely not clamoring for buyouts. I was more about a trade for a bench vet at the deadline. I think Danny was always planning for NEXT year being the one and fixing things this summer - like you allude to. But, with Tatum exploding we're caught a little shorthanded for the playoffs when we have a better shot than people would have though even a few months ago - Danny included, unfortunately.

A 7th vet that you could trust to not f up even more than the current guys, and have even a modicum of offensive production, would have given us a more legit shot this year. Alas, that ship has sailed. Ultimately, even with that guy, we probably are still a year away, so getting Grant/Romeo/TL some playoff experience will be valuable. And it's fun to root for them. But, a vet would have been helpful.

I totally agree with all of that.

In my mind, id love to add a vet 3 and D guy, although no realistic options immediately come to mind.

And i imagine pretty much every playoff team would be happy to bring in a vet 3 and d presence too, so im not exactly dropping ground breaking gm strategy here.

But i think that’s exactly what we need

[djFan71]

I think theres a tendency to equate the overall quality of our bench with the individual offensive counting stats of our bench.

But we dont simply roll out a bench unit. Almost every minute a reserve is playing, they are playing with at least 2 capable scorers from the starting rotation

Multiple posters have already touched on the fact that our bench’s net rating is strong.

Our bench is not tasked with exploding offensively. Their role is to play hardnosed defense, stay within the system, and make the right basketball decisions. Dont f___ up.

And the numbers all say that they do an admirable job.

That said, i get it. I agree that our bench would benefit from a little experience and this mythical bucket getter we all dream of but doesnt really exist. There were no homerun deals or obvious misses.

It probably will be addressed in free agency. I couldve talked myself into an alec burks or big dog 3 for nothing...but they both do f__ up. A lot.

Buyouts usually get bought out for a reason, although i admit there will always be a few who contribute.

Speaking for myself only, I don't care about a bucket getter. We have 6-7 guys that can score double figures. And, I'm definitely not clamoring for buyouts. I was more about a trade for a bench vet at the deadline. I think Danny was always planning for NEXT year being the one and fixing things this summer - like you allude to. But, with Tatum exploding we're caught a little shorthanded for the playoffs when we have a better shot than people would have though even a few months ago - Danny included, unfortunately.

A 7th vet that you could trust to not f up even more than the current guys, and have even a modicum of offensive production, would have given us a more legit shot this year. Alas, that ship has sailed. Ultimately, even with that guy, we probably are still a year away, so getting Grant/Romeo/TL some playoff experience will be valuable. And it's fun to root for them. But, a vet would have been helpful.

I totally agree with all of that.

In my mind, id love to add a vet 3 and D guy, although no realistic options immediately come to mind.

And i imagine pretty much every playoff team would be happy to bring in a vet 3 and d presence too, so im not exactly dropping ground breaking gm strategy here.

But i think that’s exactly what we need

What Markieff gave the Lakers last night would have been perfect. As a buyout we had no shot, but you'd think DET would prefer a 2nd rounder and Javonte right about now...