Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[Richard4444]

This free agency is terrible I wouldn’t do much of anything. go after Bertans if you must make a move. Reserve the rest of the cap space for The 2021 free agency where their are much better names available.

Lamelo
Bullock
Barret
Bertans
Mitchell

If Giannis and Oladiplo sign extensions, there arent so great options in 2021 FA left.

We have to choose among old 30+ stars (Jrue, DeRozan, Kyrie, Aldridge, Conley, Hayward), RFA players who dont get an extension but are tough to sign without sign and trade deals (maybe Lonzo, Lauri, Monk, Kennard, Kuzma, Hart), redundant centers (Gobert, Adams, Cody, Dieng, Theis) and some fringe potential stars (Spencer, Oubre, Otto Porter Jr, Fournier, Norman Powell, Josh Richardson, Shroeder, Hood).

[bleedblue3303]

How
Land top 2 or 3 and draft Lamelo

For Ingram
Option 1 - Barrett in a sign and trade for Ingram
Option 2- sign and trade both mavs picks for Ingram

For Beal
Option 1 - Barrett and a couple players
Option 2 -2021 unprotected , players / and a future pick

Let’s say this can happen. How far do u think that team can go? Could it make ECF?
Also I like the idea Randle comes off books in 2021. We bring real alpha at that point.


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Team fully gets bounced 2nd round. Randle not a good fit with Mitch imo and what can lamelo realistically bring to the table.
Now you add a stretch 4 and let Beal and Ingram go to work. I think in a 2 years they can get to ecf

I gladly take a second round bouncing followed by ECF. Maybe ur right about Lamelo. Was just thinking of someone who strength of distribution not necessarily needing shots.
Of course the dream would be replace randle with Giannias.

Mitch
Giannias
Ingram
Beal
Lamelo

That’s not so bad!!



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[spree2kawhi]

This free agency is terrible I wouldn’t do much of anything. go after Bertans if you must make a move. Reserve the rest of the cap space for The 2021 free agency where their are much better names available.

Lamelo
Bullock
Barret
Bertans
Mitchell

If Giannis and Oladiplo sign extensions, there arent so great options in 2021 FA left.

We have to choose among old 30+ stars (Jrue, DeRozan, Kyrie, Aldridge, Conley, Hayward), RFA players who dont get an extension but are tough to sign without sign and trade deals (maybe Lonzo, Lauri, Monk, Kennard, Kuzma, Hart), redundant centers (Gobert, Adams, Cody, Dieng, Theis) and some fringe potential stars (Spencer, Oubre, Otto Porter Jr, Fournier, Norman Powell, Josh Richardson, Shroeder, Hood).

Yep that's legitimately worse than this year. We should really go after those free agents we've been talking about this year instead and entertain trades to either shed Randle or move up in the draft for Edwards or for very good young talent (minimum Hield caliber).

For me it's ideally Edwards+Grant+Hield. I'd love to see these lineups:

1. Edwards, Hield, RJ, Grant, Mitch (starting 5)

and also
2. Frank, Hield, Edwards, RJ/Grant, Mitch
3. Frank, Hield, Edwards, RJ, Grant

or
4. Frank, Edwards, RJ, Grant, Mitch (starters if we can't get Hield)

[digitaldropoff]

How could we manage Lamelo Beal Ingram randle Mitch lineup


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How
Land top 2 or 3 and draft Lamelo

For Ingram
Option 1 - Barrett in a sign and trade for Ingram
Option 2- sign and trade both mavs picks for Ingram

For Beal
Option 1 - Barrett and a couple players
Option 2 -2021 unprotected , players / and a future pick

RJ Barrett and future picks get your Ingram and Beal without giving up this years lotto? Come on now.

[Fat]

This free agency is terrible I wouldn’t do much of anything. go after Bertans if you must make a move. Reserve the rest of the cap space for The 2021 free agency where their are much better names available.

Lamelo
Bullock
Barret
Bertans
Mitchell

If Giannis and Oladiplo sign extensions, there arent so great options in 2021 FA left.

We have to choose among old 30+ stars (Jrue, DeRozan, Kyrie, Aldridge, Conley, Hayward), RFA players who dont get an extension but are tough to sign without sign and trade deals (maybe Lonzo, Lauri, Monk, Kennard, Kuzma, Hart), redundant centers (Gobert, Adams, Cody, Dieng, Theis) and some fringe potential stars (Spencer, Oubre, Otto Porter Jr, Fournier, Norman Powell, Josh Richardson, Shroeder, Hood).

Yep that's legitimately worse than this year. We should really go after those free agents we've been talking about this year instead and entertain trades to either shed Randle or move up in the draft for Edwards or for very good young talent (minimum Hield caliber).

For me it's ideally Edwards+Grant+Hield. I'd love to see these lineups:

1. Edwards, Hield, RJ, Grant, Mitch (starting 5)

and also
2. Frank, Hield, Edwards, RJ/Grant, Mitch
3. Frank, Hield, Edwards, RJ, Grant

or
4. Frank, Edwards, RJ, Grant, Mitch (starters if we can't get Hield)

I guess it comes down to who’s willing to opt out to sign to the Knicks I don’t seee the Knicks getting much static we never do.

I was just looking at it from a pure unrestricted players available standpoint the list is trash lol. The biggest fish are Gallo, Millsap, gasol, Ibaka, Whiteside

[moocow007]

This free agency is terrible I wouldn’t do much of anything. go after Bertans if you must make a move. Reserve the rest of the cap space for The 2021 free agency where their are much better names available.

Lamelo
Bullock
Barret
Bertans
Mitchell

Who is going to sign with the Knicks in 2021 if they have no one worth joining? We have already gone through how many iterations of 'hey let's just wait for this period to sign this guy' only to see 'that guy' lol'ing at the Knicks and sign with another team?

The Knicks have been brutal to the lone stars that they've managed to get here. They've run out of town their last 3 'stars' the past 2 decades who couldn't walk on water and bring them a title. No one is going to sign here until someone else that is elite is already here.

[moocow007]

Any chance we can convince MJ to do a sign and trade for Ingram involving Randle, both Dallas draft picks and the Clippers pick?

Ingram of the Pelicans?

Sorry I got my GM's mixed up lol. Ingram of the Pelicans yes. Maybe sign and trade involving Barrett so they can reunite him with his BFF Zion.

[moocow007]

I very much doubt that NOP don't match on Ingram. Like one poster said, his max is on the lower end. He also seems to be a good fit with Zion.

That said, what are the thoughts on swapping one Dukie for another? No, not RJ for Zion, but RJ for Ingram so Zion and RJ reunite. Not saying I'd do it, but figured I'd toss it out there...

Yeah that was what I was hinting at lol. I think it's something you definitely need to consider if you were the Knicks and that that seems like a possiblity.

[robillionaire]

we aren't trading RJ

[digitaldropoff]

Any chance we can convince MJ to do a sign and trade for Ingram involving Randle, both Dallas draft picks and the Clippers pick?

Ingram of the Pelicans?

Sorry I got my GM's mixed up lol. Ingram of the Pelicans yes. Maybe sign and trade involving Barrett so they can reunite him with his BFF Zion.

Why exactly does NO do this? First, Ingram is a guy they can afford and use as part of their core now and in the future. Second, NO is stacked with draft picks and an already extremely young and talented team, adding Barrett would be cool to them I'm sure, but no at the expense of losing Ingram. If they were strapped financially, maybe it's something they'd consider, but they aren't.

I could see Jrue being available this summer via trade though.

[moocow007]

Stars aren't gonna go to a team with Portis, Randle, Ellington, etc.

They'll come, however, if we can begin developing our yoots to hit their potential. Grant is not the only option for me, but I like his fit as a PF and the way he would empower our young guys. I'm on-board to get 1 or 2 solid vets this year. Not the discount trash we've been overpaying (and that includes Randle)

Stars aren't going to come unless their are other stars that either will come with them or that are already here. That's been pretty consistently throughout the years. The only exceptions have been "NY natives" that want to come home, who then came home and probably wished they hadn't lol. NY needs to either trade for a star or, hopefully through Rose's "connections" be able to finagle a "wink wink" agreement with multiple stars to come at one time.

[sol537]

Ingram is a long shot unless he demands a S&T to NY.

Guys like Grant (from Denver) or Bertans are probably more realistic and are actually smart fits next to Money Mitch. Then you could probably probe for a fair deal on a guy like Hield. This way you can still preserve plenty of draft picks and cap space for 2021 to get the final piece(s)

[Richard4444]

I think its silly to trade for stars now.

1) Barret market value is not very high at the moment. No one will trade a superstar for a package centered in him.

2) I dont think NO want to pair Barret with Zion. They were awful together. Duke was a looser team due to poor spacing. With two top 3 picks plus Cameron, Duke should have at least gone to the finals. Both dont have range.

3) Why do we want to trade for stars now? We are one of the less talented team in the league. We have to tank and build though the draft or sign young players of potential in FA to retain value.

4) If we trade for stars now, we will be a treadmill team ( 6-8 seed in east). Our roster is already poor. We will get rid of our best and few assets in the trade. We are not get a great draft position anymore and we will stay with limited cap space. Besides, there arent great players in FA next few years (Giannis, Oladipo and max rookie players should resign) to sign a buddy- buddy deal.

5) Wizards are not so awful team next year if Wall get healthy. They also have a high 2020 FRP to help. Besides, they have some young players who can stand out like Thomas Bryant, Rui, Troy and Wagner.

6) Sacramento dont want to get rid of Buddy. They just resigned him. Besides, they are closer to be a contender than us (Fox, Bogdan, Bagley, Barnes, Bjelica). They will only trade Buddy for another win now player.

[TBri1974]

I think its silly to trade for stars now.

1) Barret market value is not very high at the moment. No one will trade a superstar for a package centered in him.

2) I dont think NO want to pair Barret with Zion. They were awful together. Duke was a looser team due to poor spacing. With two top 3 picks plus Cameron, Duke should have at least gone to the finals. Both dont have range.

3) Why do we want to trade for stars now? We are one of the less talented team in the league. We have to tank and build though the draft or sign young players of potential in FA to retain value.

4) If we trade for stars now, we will be a treadmill team ( 6-8 seed in east). Our roster is already poor. We will get rid of our best and few assets in the trade. We are not get a great draft position anymore and we will stay with limited cap space. Besides, there arent great players in FA next few years (Giannis, Oladipo and max rookie players should resign) to sign a buddy- buddy deal.

5) Wizards are not so awful team next year if Wall get healthy. They also have a high 2020 FRP to help. Besides, they have some young players who can stand out like Thomas Bryant, Rui, Troy and Wagner.

6) Sacramento dont want to get rid of Buddy. They just resigned him. Besides, they are closer to be a contender than us (Fox, Bogdan, Bagley, Barnes, Bjelica). They will only trade Buddy for another win now player.

I mostly agree with this, but I don't think we should try to be bad forever. This FA we should be looking for young and up and coming players who can get at deals that could be bargains. Guys in the 8-12 mil range who have a ton of potential. Next year is likely a wash also. Best we can hope for is no stupid signings and we draft well. Would be nice to ship off Randle. I would even take a longer contract in return if we got youth and assets back with it.

[ny-n-md]

The more I watch this kid the more I want him on the big squad. He can shoot the 3, pass and handle better than any of our PG’s.

[No-Man]

Grant is a terrible fit unless you play him at Center

Finding a trade for Randle should be a must, not so many teams out there that'd have interest though, maybe San Antonio? I'd gladly take Rudy Gay and a 2nd to be honest

I'd cut bait with everyone, maybe only guy I'd think keeping is Gibson, +Bullock obv, the rest can go, that'd leave you with about $50M in capspace+room exception

[digitaldropoff]

Grant is a terrible fit unless you play him at Center

Finding a trade for Randle should be a must, not so many teams out there that'd have interest though, maybe San Antonio? I'd gladly take Rudy Gay and a 2nd to be honest

I'd cut bait with everyone, maybe only guy I'd think keeping is Gibson, +Bullock obv, the rest can go, that'd leave you with about $50M in capspace+room exception

Why on earth would Pop or the Spurs move an expiring for Randle? That's not a Spurs like move what so ever. Maybe the Suns....maybe Portland, perhaps Charlotte. Like you said, not many teams are going to be interested. He's proven that he basically puts up empty numbers that don't positively affect the outcome of a game. This being his third team, it's not something people are going to bend over backwards to get.

The Knicks will have a decent amount of space regardless, but who do you spend it on is the question. This is one of the worst FA years there's been in a while. Grant would be a good get for the Knicks IMO. I'm guessing he costs no less than 15 a year, but that still leaves the Knicks with more money left to spend.

[No-Man]

Well the Spurs just lack talent and they actually have a stretch 5 now and need play-makers, I'd not do it, but basically for free, they may, also, Randle is a expiring himself, 3rd year is a TO

I'd not want Grant at that price no chance

If you can't move Randle I am playing him from the bench as a Center, basically give Mitch 24minpg and Randle the other 24, and force him to shoot some 3s

[Esq-4]

Well the Spurs just lack talent and they actually have a stretch 5 now and need play-makers, I'd not do it, but basically for free, they may, also, Randle is a expiring himself, 3rd year is a TO

I'd not want Grant at that price no chance

If you can't move Randle I am playing him from the bench as a Center, basically give Mitch 24minpg and Randle the other 24, and force him to shoot some 3s

This gets into the debate of whether you can ceremonially start someone, but still limit playing time and not play them down the stretch. Kinda like starting Taj, but he doesn't get big minutes. The team might not be willing to bench Randle, but that does not mean he cannot play only half the game or that he has to be in in the clutch.

The thing is, he has talent. And he is young. Could partially just be that he's trying too hard knowing we have limited alternative options, especially after Morris was traded. If RJ is out, or just having an off night, who else are we giving the ball to to score? Also seems like Payton might be the bigger issue.

I'm not defending him. The few minutes I've been able to watch have included enough ugly play that I have my issues with him. But, we might be "stuck" with him one more year at least. If he's pushed down the pecking order, then maybe he can be worthwhile

[newyorker4ever]

RJ: .389%
Knox: .370% (rookie year)

I have faith in RJ to achieve that Knox level

BLUEPRINT!

“Cocooning” is apparently a term for being really, really bad. Who knew?

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The kid has a ton of talent. I believe in him.

It would be absolutely huge for our rebuild if Knox became what many thought he could be. To be able to know we have a legit young kid that can play either forward spot, mostly PF, can space the floor with his shooting and still take it strong to the basket to go with RJ who needs shooters around him and Mitch taking care of everything around the basket and then whatever PG we get in this draft would be a great start for this rebuild but if Knox keeps Knicks-ing then it will be a big step back for the rebuild.