DarkXaero wrote:I understand the point that you're trying to make, but it is also important to realize that Beal is not the same player that he was two years ago (when he played regularly next to Wall). He has developed into a top tier scorer these past two seasons, and he's still relatively young at 26, entering his prime. I think you guys are underestimating him as a talent, he is becoming an elite offensive talent in the league. Of course he won't be averaging 30 a game here like he is with Wizards right now, but there's no reason why he can' be a 22-23 PPG, high efficiency scorer in our system, next to KD & Kyrie. We can have a balanced offense among those 3 players, with KD averaging 25 a game, Beal averaging 23 a game, and Kyrie averaging around 21-23 a game.Prokorov wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Beal has shown the ability to play off ball fine, he is used to playing next to a ball dominant PG like Wall. Beal's usage rate had never even went above 30% until this season. Beal also came into the league having a reputation of elite shooter potential, and while his 3pt shooting has declined over the past few seasons with high volume scoring, he's still a high volume, above average shooting threat. It's ridiculous to think that having Beal instead of Joe Harris wouldn't make a massive positive difference in our offense. They don't play the same positions regardless, so I'm not sure what the point is.
There's no "Klay type" in the league, there's only one Klay, and we can't get him. There also aren't many genuine high level 3&D guys in the league, and they tend to be overvalued because every team wants them or can use them. You can always have one of Kyrie & Beal on the floor at all times by staggering minutes, and Beal can step up big time, if Kyrie is out with injury. I'm not suggesting that we should definitely make a trade for Beal or anything, but it is a possibility that should be considered.
Beal being able to play off the ball isnt really relevant. The point isnt that he can or cant do something. the idea is that you get diminish returns the more high usage players you add.
Yeah he played off-ball next to wall. But wall is also a guy who was top 5 in assist rate for most of his prime and who maxed out at 18 FGA a game. Wall was the clear #2 option if not #1b. And even then, Beal really didnt take off putting up efficient all-star numbers until wall went down and he played more as the #1.
here he would have durant taking 18-20 shots and kyrie taking 18-20 shots. him being good off ball is great but we can have Joe harris sit in the wings and corners waitint to shoot catch-and-shoot threes without having to give up all of our depth.
I think in any "big 3" your 3rd guy needs to be more than just another scorer. Bosh was an excellent defender, floor spacing big, and rebounder. Love was a great rebounder and floor spacing big. Klay was an all-nba level defender.
im not saying id be upset with Beal, I just dont think if you replace dinwiddie/levert/allen with beal that it moves the needle much.
the one argument id give beal is that its great Kyrie insurance. and you sitll have to scoring stars if kyrie is hurt.
Id lean more towards Jrue or even a small upgrade of like Ibaka
I also think you're overvaluing Love's importance on that Cavs team, he was underwhelming most of the time there when it mattered. Tristan Thompson was considered the stronger rebounding presence there. Bosh developed into an excellent defender and floor spacing big after getting to Miami, it's not something that he was in Toronto. I think Beal can adapt similarly, because he's that type of talent. Again, I don't know if getting Beal would be worth it, considering the cost, but we can't downplay how good he has become as a player, and he'd certainly help us become the most feared offense in the entire league.
Fair, but agree to disagree. I just think beal would be nuetered to a 17-18 ppg player who is wasted sitting in the corner watching durant and kyrie do their thing. And then can see us losing games our bench blows because we have a bench full of young not great players like musa/pinson/tlc and ring chasing fossil vets who are akin to chandler.
in the last 45 years only 5 times has a team had 3 guys average 20 or more:
curry/klay/durant
Mullin/hardaway/richmond
Moses/Dr.J/Toney
Ellis/mcdaniel/chambers
English/Thompson/kiki
The way those 3 guys score, i just dont see them all averaging 20+ and while they all can pass none is the type that can really impact the game the same way as a passer. all 3 are suited to score and try and dump in 50 points. Im all for beal in general i think Beal/KD would be deadly. i think Beal/Kyrie would be deadly. i think having all 3 you arent much better than having just 2 of them other than your more protected vs injury (which is why id fine adding him).
but id prefer no beal and being super deep or getting someone who is 75% the player beal is but fits better (ibaka?)
