Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Prokorov]

that is a fair point, but I'm not trading Dinwiddie for that. He is very important to our team and he is insurance in case if another set back from Kyrie. I rather trade Levert if anything.

Dinwiddie will command at least $15 million per year when he becomes a free agent a year from now. Paying him and Kyrie would mean we are spending $50 million on the point guard position.

Damn I didn't know Din had a player option for his last year SMH that changes everything. He will definitely exercise it and rightfully so. I don't know why Marks didn't just sign him to the full 4 year deal we could of gave him or at least not put in that option for his 3rd year. Even still, if we're going to trade him, I need a player as equally good as him or better, especially if we put him in a package. Gordon might be a better fit but I don't think he is better than Din. And still we need insurance for Kyrie.

Dinwiddie wanted the extension. marks gave him the most money for the longest term

[Prokorov]

Well, Levert is more of a natural scorer than Oubre, he scores at a higher rate, and has legitimate potential to develop into one of the top options on a team. I think he would make sense on this Suns team, but if your goal is to make the playoffs soon as possible, then maybe its best to go for someone more reliable. I know we can move Levert, I just don't know what the value will be like, because of his injury history and inconsistency.

Do you think Oubre would make sense on the Nets? Figure he doesn't need the ball and may fit better with KD and KI. Maybe those 2 as the starting point of a deal and then fill out the rest.
Bridges is turning into a defensive stud and is developing his 3 so I can't imagine he' be available. He would make Oubre expendable for the Suns (which would probably hurt team chemistry though)

I'd definitely do a Levert for Oubre swap

yeah, im not the biggest Oubre guy but thats a clear upgrade for us especially if you factor in fit and health.

i dont know why the suns do that... especially if their need is scoring. Oubre scores more points on less shots with significantly better shooting and is a much better finisher. i dont know what he is defensively but id assume its not worse than caris. unless the suns need more ball handling i cant see why they do that considering oubre is young and better (on paper at least)

[Prokorov]

So I was thinking of some trade ideas in relation to some of the big targets we've discussed here. I came up with some radical trade ideas that would change the roster significantly, and I'll post them here. Before anyone jumps on me for whatever reason, please know that this is mostly being done for fun/speculation, and I tried to be as unbiased as possible in trade proposals.

First trade:

Nets trade: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dzanan Musa, Theo Pinson
Magic trade: Aaron Gordon, Orlando 2020 1st round pick

Follow up trade:

Option A:

Nets trade: Caris Levert, Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince, Orlando 2020 1st, Philadelphia 2020 1st, Brooklyn 2022 Lottery-protected 1st, Warriors 2025 2nd round pick
Wiz trade: Bradley Beal, Mo Wagner

Option B:

Nets trade: Caris Levert, Taurean Prince, Garrett Temple, Orlando 2020 1st, Philadelphia 2020 1st
Pels trade: Jrue Holiday, JJ Redick, Pelicans 2020 2nd round pick

So the idea is drastically changing the supporting cast around Kyrie/KD to improve the team, and after the first trade, there are two routes to go here. Each route has its own pros and cons. Also, it's assumed that we can retain Joe Harris, and still have the taxpayer MLE to add a rotation player. Aaron Gordon is being added in either scenario, as a forward capable of guarding Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, etc.

Option A Pros:
1) You get a legitimate third star entering his prime, next to Kyrie/KD, who also acts as excellent insurance for Kyrie.
2) Five out offense with Mo Wagner as C option
3) Potential to be the best offense in the league, and offensive versatility
4) Adding young/peak age pieces in Beal & Wagner, also easier for Claxton to compete for time.

Cons:
1) Too offense focused, still defensive question marks.
2) C position will be thin, possible loss of roster depth
3) Possible fit issues between KD/Kyrie/Beal

Option B Pros:
1) Scary defensive potential with Jrue/KD/Gordon/Allen
2) Balance of offense and defense
3) Adding JJ (who is a great vet) gives us another elite shooter, and gives us the best collection of shooters in the league
4) Trade not as costly as the other one, Jarrett Allen is retained here.

Cons:
1) Lack of a proper third (efficient) option
2) No shooting at C spot
3) Jrue and especially JJ are on old side.



In any case, the original core of the team is shaken up here and gone, which is a depressing thought. I know most of you don't want to see Dinwiddie gone (myself included), but this is the type of scenario where I would be okay with Dinwiddie being traded, if it leads to a bigger trade where we get better. Realistically, I think the Pelicans trade is much easier to pull off, because I don't know what the Wizards demands/market for Beal could be. I think getting two decent 1st round picks for expiring deals of Jrue & 36 y/o JJ is a very good return for Pels, in addition to getting Levert. For Beal, I tried to make a respectable proposal that has valuable, young players + picks. Its supposed to be a worse version of the AD, PG hauls, because they were (rightfully) considered significantly better players at the time than Beal is right now.

Hypothetical projected lineups:

Option A:
Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Beal/Temple
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Wagner/DJ/Claxton


Option B:

Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Jrue/JJ
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Allen/DJ

I hate the first trade with diniwiddie but love option B second trade for JJ/Jrue. The beal one i dont love but id do it.

i just dont see the value of the dinwiddie deal. i dont think its worth the orlando pick to swap diniwddie for gordon

[Prokorov]

With the way teams like the Lakers and Clippers are stacking their rosters, I think it's imperative that there be some turnover here this offseason to get this roster up to snuff.

First of all, sorry, bit of an annoyed post here, but-- how do you POSSIBLY figure the Nets and those other two teams have the slightest similarity, at this point?

The Nets are a roster of making the absolute best out of the smallest resource available at the time. All credit to Markinson, because we're blessed with them. But that's who we are.

The Clips have been an absolute factory of badass players for many years, now taking a chance upon two extra-better players than normal, in their hopes for a chip.

The Lakers are a weird, but cool experiment in which a team is built perfectly in sync with... pretty much the greatest player of all time, or something right next to that.

Like it or not, our Nets are a thousand-million ways from any of that, hence my disbelief.

I dont see how building around lebron is much different than build around durant. i mean we dont know what durant will be but pre injury he was the best player in the world. better than lebron.

[Prokorov]

I definitely think trying to acquire Aaron Gordon without losing Spencer is a good idea. We could use some athleticism on this roster.

Levert, Kurucs, philly pick id do

[MrDollarBills]

I definitely think trying to acquire Aaron Gordon without losing Spencer is a good idea. We could use some athleticism on this roster.

Levert, Kurucs, philly pick id do

Same, without hesitation.

[ProspectPark]

that is a fair point, but I'm not trading Dinwiddie for that. He is very important to our team and he is insurance in case if another set back from Kyrie. I rather trade Levert if anything.

Dinwiddie will command at least $15 million per year when he becomes a free agent a year from now. Paying him and Kyrie would mean we are spending $50 million on the point guard position.

same could be said for kyrie and levert who already makes about that

Why do you keep bringing up LeVert? No one is arguing Dinwiddie vs LeVert.

The only reason Dinwiddie is being discussed in trade possibilities is because Dinwiddie has trade value.

[Prokorov]

Dinwiddie will command at least $15 million per year when he becomes a free agent a year from now. Paying him and Kyrie would mean we are spending $50 million on the point guard position.

same could be said for kyrie and levert who already makes about that

Why do you keep bringing up LeVert? No one is arguing Dinwiddie vs LeVert.

The only reason Dinwiddie is being discussed in trade possibilities is because Dinwiddie has trade value.

You are talking about carrying 50 million on 2 point guards. if we have to cut salary id rather pay to dump levert than to trade dinwiddie for gordon. id rather pay spencer 15-20 million and dump leverts 17.5 million if tax is an issue

[ProspectPark]

same could be said for kyrie and levert who already makes about that

Why do you keep bringing up LeVert? No one is arguing Dinwiddie vs LeVert.

The only reason Dinwiddie is being discussed in trade possibilities is because Dinwiddie has trade value.

You are talking about carrying 50 million on 2 point guards. if we have to cut salary id rather pay to dump levert than to trade dinwiddie for gordon. id rather pay spencer 15-20 million and dump leverts 17.5 million if tax is an issue

LeVert has 3 years and over $55 million left on his contract. Dumping him is going to cost us more than 1 draft pick.

Dinwiddie isn’t good enough of a shooter or defender to be worth keeping. In crunch time with KD and Kyrie on the court, every opposing coach in the league will tell his players to sag off Dinwiddie.

[Prokorov]

Why do you keep bringing up LeVert? No one is arguing Dinwiddie vs LeVert.

The only reason Dinwiddie is being discussed in trade possibilities is because Dinwiddie has trade value.

You are talking about carrying 50 million on 2 point guards. if we have to cut salary id rather pay to dump levert than to trade dinwiddie for gordon. id rather pay spencer 15-20 million and dump leverts 17.5 million if tax is an issue

LeVert has 3 years and over $55 million left on his contract. Dumping him is going to cost us more than 1 draft pick.

Dinwiddie isn’t good enough of a shooter or defender to be worth keeping. In crunch time with KD and Kyrie on the court, every opposing coach in the league will tell his players to sag off Dinwiddie.

I think you can trade 3 years of levert plus a pick for 1-2 years of someone else on similar salary and get out of one of the final 2 years or both. we have other assets we could also include.

Levert isnt a guy you are worried about leving either. if you are worried about crunch time, put prince, harris, and temple next to KD and Kyrie.

Diniwddie isnt rondo. you cant treat him that way. help off a bit, but your not leaving him entirely.

[DarkXaero]

So I was thinking of some trade ideas in relation to some of the big targets we've discussed here. I came up with some radical trade ideas that would change the roster significantly, and I'll post them here. Before anyone jumps on me for whatever reason, please know that this is mostly being done for fun/speculation, and I tried to be as unbiased as possible in trade proposals.

First trade:

Nets trade: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dzanan Musa, Theo Pinson
Magic trade: Aaron Gordon, Orlando 2020 1st round pick

Follow up trade:

Option A:

Nets trade: Caris Levert, Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince, Orlando 2020 1st, Philadelphia 2020 1st, Brooklyn 2022 Lottery-protected 1st, Warriors 2025 2nd round pick
Wiz trade: Bradley Beal, Mo Wagner

Option B:

Nets trade: Caris Levert, Taurean Prince, Garrett Temple, Orlando 2020 1st, Philadelphia 2020 1st
Pels trade: Jrue Holiday, JJ Redick, Pelicans 2020 2nd round pick

So the idea is drastically changing the supporting cast around Kyrie/KD to improve the team, and after the first trade, there are two routes to go here. Each route has its own pros and cons. Also, it's assumed that we can retain Joe Harris, and still have the taxpayer MLE to add a rotation player. Aaron Gordon is being added in either scenario, as a forward capable of guarding Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, etc.

Option A Pros:
1) You get a legitimate third star entering his prime, next to Kyrie/KD, who also acts as excellent insurance for Kyrie.
2) Five out offense with Mo Wagner as C option
3) Potential to be the best offense in the league, and offensive versatility
4) Adding young/peak age pieces in Beal & Wagner, also easier for Claxton to compete for time.

Cons:
1) Too offense focused, still defensive question marks.
2) C position will be thin, possible loss of roster depth
3) Possible fit issues between KD/Kyrie/Beal

Option B Pros:
1) Scary defensive potential with Jrue/KD/Gordon/Allen
2) Balance of offense and defense
3) Adding JJ (who is a great vet) gives us another elite shooter, and gives us the best collection of shooters in the league
4) Trade not as costly as the other one, Jarrett Allen is retained here.

Cons:
1) Lack of a proper third (efficient) option
2) No shooting at C spot
3) Jrue and especially JJ are on old side.



In any case, the original core of the team is shaken up here and gone, which is a depressing thought. I know most of you don't want to see Dinwiddie gone (myself included), but this is the type of scenario where I would be okay with Dinwiddie being traded, if it leads to a bigger trade where we get better. Realistically, I think the Pelicans trade is much easier to pull off, because I don't know what the Wizards demands/market for Beal could be. I think getting two decent 1st round picks for expiring deals of Jrue & 36 y/o JJ is a very good return for Pels, in addition to getting Levert. For Beal, I tried to make a respectable proposal that has valuable, young players + picks. Its supposed to be a worse version of the AD, PG hauls, because they were (rightfully) considered significantly better players at the time than Beal is right now.

Hypothetical projected lineups:

Option A:
Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Beal/Temple
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Wagner/DJ/Claxton


Option B:

Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Jrue/JJ
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Allen/DJ

If a Beal trade does happen, it probably would happen after the Wizards at least get to see how Wall looks when he comes back, so I doubt they would trade him before the start of next season. At the earliest would be the trade deadline 2021.

Love Holiday but he’s an unrestricted free agent a year from now. In the summer of 2021, many teams will have cap space, and he will definitely get multiple max contract offers. The risk is if he walks, we gave up all our depth for 1 year of Holiday. I don’t want Holiday’s free agency to weigh everyone down during our championship window. Rather trade for players who have multiple years left on their contract or Derrick White who we know we can match any offer he gets in free agency because he will be an RFA.

I think both Beal and Holiday are pipe dreams.

I think we've already seen what the Wizards look like with Beal + Wall, and its not good enough. Those two guys make close to a combined $80 mill, which is absurd, and Wall's contract isn't even movable really. Who are the Wizards going to be better than at full strength? Bucks? No. Raptors? No. Celtics? No. Sixers? No. Heat? No. Pacers? No. Us with KD/Kyrie back? No.

Their best case scenario is 8th seed, maybe 7th. Wall is coming back from an achilles injury, and he's an athleticism reliant player. I hope he makes a full recovery and can be the same, but just like with KD, that's not a guarantee. Their roster is full of holes even at full strength, they're 100% better off continuing their rebuild, and selling high on Beal. They can't move Wall, but they can move Beal for young assets & picks. Beal will want out sooner or later, because he has publicly stated his frustrations being in a losing situation.

And yes, Holiday will be a UFA in 2021, assuming he opts out. It's a fair point, there's no guarantee of re-signing, but I'd feel pretty good about our chances of re-signing him under Marks, Tsai, and the team/situation we can provide him. But the risk is actually even greater with Spencer Dinwiddie, because he will 100% opt out, and he'll have extremely competitive offers around the league that will offer him a starting job. RFAs are also risky because they can be signed to lopsided offer sheets (like Marks did early), and then you have a decision to match.

I don't think getting Beal, or especially Jrue is a pipe dream at all. We do have the assets to make those moves, and those players are expected to get trade offers or be on trade market, because of the situations they're in. It's ultimately Marks' call whether he wants to pursue these type of players, or settle for smaller trades (e.g. Prince for whoever).

[DarkXaero]

So I was thinking of some trade ideas in relation to some of the big targets we've discussed here. I came up with some radical trade ideas that would change the roster significantly, and I'll post them here. Before anyone jumps on me for whatever reason, please know that this is mostly being done for fun/speculation, and I tried to be as unbiased as possible in trade proposals.

First trade:

Nets trade: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dzanan Musa, Theo Pinson
Magic trade: Aaron Gordon, Orlando 2020 1st round pick

Follow up trade:

Option A:

Nets trade: Caris Levert, Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince, Orlando 2020 1st, Philadelphia 2020 1st, Brooklyn 2022 Lottery-protected 1st, Warriors 2025 2nd round pick
Wiz trade: Bradley Beal, Mo Wagner

Option B:

Nets trade: Caris Levert, Taurean Prince, Garrett Temple, Orlando 2020 1st, Philadelphia 2020 1st
Pels trade: Jrue Holiday, JJ Redick, Pelicans 2020 2nd round pick

So the idea is drastically changing the supporting cast around Kyrie/KD to improve the team, and after the first trade, there are two routes to go here. Each route has its own pros and cons. Also, it's assumed that we can retain Joe Harris, and still have the taxpayer MLE to add a rotation player. Aaron Gordon is being added in either scenario, as a forward capable of guarding Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, etc.

Option A Pros:
1) You get a legitimate third star entering his prime, next to Kyrie/KD, who also acts as excellent insurance for Kyrie.
2) Five out offense with Mo Wagner as C option
3) Potential to be the best offense in the league, and offensive versatility
4) Adding young/peak age pieces in Beal & Wagner, also easier for Claxton to compete for time.

Cons:
1) Too offense focused, still defensive question marks.
2) C position will be thin, possible loss of roster depth
3) Possible fit issues between KD/Kyrie/Beal

Option B Pros:
1) Scary defensive potential with Jrue/KD/Gordon/Allen
2) Balance of offense and defense
3) Adding JJ (who is a great vet) gives us another elite shooter, and gives us the best collection of shooters in the league
4) Trade not as costly as the other one, Jarrett Allen is retained here.

Cons:
1) Lack of a proper third (efficient) option
2) No shooting at C spot
3) Jrue and especially JJ are on old side.



In any case, the original core of the team is shaken up here and gone, which is a depressing thought. I know most of you don't want to see Dinwiddie gone (myself included), but this is the type of scenario where I would be okay with Dinwiddie being traded, if it leads to a bigger trade where we get better. Realistically, I think the Pelicans trade is much easier to pull off, because I don't know what the Wizards demands/market for Beal could be. I think getting two decent 1st round picks for expiring deals of Jrue & 36 y/o JJ is a very good return for Pels, in addition to getting Levert. For Beal, I tried to make a respectable proposal that has valuable, young players + picks. Its supposed to be a worse version of the AD, PG hauls, because they were (rightfully) considered significantly better players at the time than Beal is right now.

Hypothetical projected lineups:

Option A:
Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Beal/Temple
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Wagner/DJ/Claxton


Option B:

Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Jrue/JJ
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Allen/DJ

I like both options. If I have to make a choice, I slightly prefer Option B. Wagner may be redundant since we can run 5 out lineup with AG and KD at 5/4.

For Option B, is it possible to remove Prince and Redick from the trade? Maybe add another end of bench player to match salary? We will need more front court depth if we want to go with AG as our small ball C for stretches. I think 2 picks and levert is already fair for Holiday who has 1 year left on his contract.

Yes, its possible to remove Prince and Redick. But since Prince is the player that Nets fans most want to see gone, I figured that adding him for an upgrade is good. There are ways to add roster depth, either through another trade or reworking these trades, plus we'll have taxpayer MLE still available. I don't think roster depth is a major concern in either of those options. We can still field a very strong bench unit in either scenario.

[DarkXaero]

So I was thinking of some trade ideas in relation to some of the big targets we've discussed here. I came up with some radical trade ideas that would change the roster significantly, and I'll post them here. Before anyone jumps on me for whatever reason, please know that this is mostly being done for fun/speculation, and I tried to be as unbiased as possible in trade proposals.

First trade:

Nets trade: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dzanan Musa, Theo Pinson
Magic trade: Aaron Gordon, Orlando 2020 1st round pick

Follow up trade:

Option A:

Nets trade: Caris Levert, Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince, Orlando 2020 1st, Philadelphia 2020 1st, Brooklyn 2022 Lottery-protected 1st, Warriors 2025 2nd round pick
Wiz trade: Bradley Beal, Mo Wagner

Option B:

Nets trade: Caris Levert, Taurean Prince, Garrett Temple, Orlando 2020 1st, Philadelphia 2020 1st
Pels trade: Jrue Holiday, JJ Redick, Pelicans 2020 2nd round pick

So the idea is drastically changing the supporting cast around Kyrie/KD to improve the team, and after the first trade, there are two routes to go here. Each route has its own pros and cons. Also, it's assumed that we can retain Joe Harris, and still have the taxpayer MLE to add a rotation player. Aaron Gordon is being added in either scenario, as a forward capable of guarding Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, etc.

Option A Pros:
1) You get a legitimate third star entering his prime, next to Kyrie/KD, who also acts as excellent insurance for Kyrie.
2) Five out offense with Mo Wagner as C option
3) Potential to be the best offense in the league, and offensive versatility
4) Adding young/peak age pieces in Beal & Wagner, also easier for Claxton to compete for time.

Cons:
1) Too offense focused, still defensive question marks.
2) C position will be thin, possible loss of roster depth
3) Possible fit issues between KD/Kyrie/Beal

Option B Pros:
1) Scary defensive potential with Jrue/KD/Gordon/Allen
2) Balance of offense and defense
3) Adding JJ (who is a great vet) gives us another elite shooter, and gives us the best collection of shooters in the league
4) Trade not as costly as the other one, Jarrett Allen is retained here.

Cons:
1) Lack of a proper third (efficient) option
2) No shooting at C spot
3) Jrue and especially JJ are on old side.



In any case, the original core of the team is shaken up here and gone, which is a depressing thought. I know most of you don't want to see Dinwiddie gone (myself included), but this is the type of scenario where I would be okay with Dinwiddie being traded, if it leads to a bigger trade where we get better. Realistically, I think the Pelicans trade is much easier to pull off, because I don't know what the Wizards demands/market for Beal could be. I think getting two decent 1st round picks for expiring deals of Jrue & 36 y/o JJ is a very good return for Pels, in addition to getting Levert. For Beal, I tried to make a respectable proposal that has valuable, young players + picks. Its supposed to be a worse version of the AD, PG hauls, because they were (rightfully) considered significantly better players at the time than Beal is right now.

Hypothetical projected lineups:

Option A:
Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Beal/Temple
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Wagner/DJ/Claxton


Option B:

Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Jrue/JJ
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Allen/DJ

I hate the first trade with diniwiddie but love option B second trade for JJ/Jrue. The beal one i dont love but id do it.

i just dont see the value of the dinwiddie deal. i dont think its worth the orlando pick to swap diniwddie for gordon

I mean I'm only doing that first trade if I can follow it up with one of those other two trades. The point of doing that first trade is to generate an extra asset to use in one of those trades, and the idea is that getting either Beal or Jrue replaces the need for Spencer. Also Orlando want or could use Dinwiddie, we know that at least. If we're offering Levert instead, I don't know if they take it.

[ProspectPark]

You are talking about carrying 50 million on 2 point guards. if we have to cut salary id rather pay to dump levert than to trade dinwiddie for gordon. id rather pay spencer 15-20 million and dump leverts 17.5 million if tax is an issue

LeVert has 3 years and over $55 million left on his contract. Dumping him is going to cost us more than 1 draft pick.

Dinwiddie isn’t good enough of a shooter or defender to be worth keeping. In crunch time with KD and Kyrie on the court, every opposing coach in the league will tell his players to sag off Dinwiddie.

I think you can trade 3 years of levert plus a pick for 1-2 years of someone else on similar salary and get out of one of the final 2 years or both. we have other assets we could also include.

Levert isnt a guy you are worried about leving either. if you are worried about crunch time, put prince, harris, and temple next to KD and Kyrie.

Diniwddie isnt rondo. you cant treat him that way. help off a bit, but your not leaving him entirely.

Here is a list of all the individual player salaries for the next 5 years.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Any names that you think we can trade LeVert for?

[DarkXaero]

You are talking about carrying 50 million on 2 point guards. if we have to cut salary id rather pay to dump levert than to trade dinwiddie for gordon. id rather pay spencer 15-20 million and dump leverts 17.5 million if tax is an issue

LeVert has 3 years and over $55 million left on his contract. Dumping him is going to cost us more than 1 draft pick.

Dinwiddie isn’t good enough of a shooter or defender to be worth keeping. In crunch time with KD and Kyrie on the court, every opposing coach in the league will tell his players to sag off Dinwiddie.

I think you can trade 3 years of levert plus a pick for 1-2 years of someone else on similar salary and get out of one of the final 2 years or both. we have other assets we could also include.

Levert isnt a guy you are worried about leving either. if you are worried about crunch time, put prince, harris, and temple next to KD and Kyrie.

Diniwddie isnt rondo. you cant treat him that way. help off a bit, but your not leaving him entirely.

I agree regarding Dinwiddie there, I think it's ridiculous to imply that Dinwiddie is like a Rondo or Ben Simmons, that defenses sag off him. They don't at all.

[ProspectPark]

So I was thinking of some trade ideas in relation to some of the big targets we've discussed here. I came up with some radical trade ideas that would change the roster significantly, and I'll post them here. Before anyone jumps on me for whatever reason, please know that this is mostly being done for fun/speculation, and I tried to be as unbiased as possible in trade proposals.




So the idea is drastically changing the supporting cast around Kyrie/KD to improve the team, and after the first trade, there are two routes to go here. Each route has its own pros and cons. Also, it's assumed that we can retain Joe Harris, and still have the taxpayer MLE to add a rotation player. Aaron Gordon is being added in either scenario, as a forward capable of guarding Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, etc.

Option A Pros:
1) You get a legitimate third star entering his prime, next to Kyrie/KD, who also acts as excellent insurance for Kyrie.
2) Five out offense with Mo Wagner as C option
3) Potential to be the best offense in the league, and offensive versatility
4) Adding young/peak age pieces in Beal & Wagner, also easier for Claxton to compete for time.

Cons:
1) Too offense focused, still defensive question marks.
2) C position will be thin, possible loss of roster depth
3) Possible fit issues between KD/Kyrie/Beal

Option B Pros:
1) Scary defensive potential with Jrue/KD/Gordon/Allen
2) Balance of offense and defense
3) Adding JJ (who is a great vet) gives us another elite shooter, and gives us the best collection of shooters in the league
4) Trade not as costly as the other one, Jarrett Allen is retained here.

Cons:
1) Lack of a proper third (efficient) option
2) No shooting at C spot
3) Jrue and especially JJ are on old side.



In any case, the original core of the team is shaken up here and gone, which is a depressing thought. I know most of you don't want to see Dinwiddie gone (myself included), but this is the type of scenario where I would be okay with Dinwiddie being traded, if it leads to a bigger trade where we get better. Realistically, I think the Pelicans trade is much easier to pull off, because I don't know what the Wizards demands/market for Beal could be. I think getting two decent 1st round picks for expiring deals of Jrue & 36 y/o JJ is a very good return for Pels, in addition to getting Levert. For Beal, I tried to make a respectable proposal that has valuable, young players + picks. Its supposed to be a worse version of the AD, PG hauls, because they were (rightfully) considered significantly better players at the time than Beal is right now.

Hypothetical projected lineups:

Option A:
Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Beal/Temple
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Wagner/DJ/Claxton


Option B:

Kyrie/DJ Augustin (MMLE signing)
Jrue/JJ
KD/Harris
AG/Kurucs (or replacement like Chandler)
Allen/DJ

If a Beal trade does happen, it probably would happen after the Wizards at least get to see how Wall looks when he comes back, so I doubt they would trade him before the start of next season. At the earliest would be the trade deadline 2021.

Love Holiday but he’s an unrestricted free agent a year from now. In the summer of 2021, many teams will have cap space, and he will definitely get multiple max contract offers. The risk is if he walks, we gave up all our depth for 1 year of Holiday. I don’t want Holiday’s free agency to weigh everyone down during our championship window. Rather trade for players who have multiple years left on their contract or Derrick White who we know we can match any offer he gets in free agency because he will be an RFA.

I think both Beal and Holiday are pipe dreams.

I think we've already seen what the Wizards look like with Beal + Wall, and its not good enough. Those two guys make close to a combined $80 mill, which is absurd, and Wall's contract isn't even movable really. Who are the Wizards going to be better than at full strength? Bucks? No. Raptors? No. Celtics? No. Sixers? No. Heat? No. Pacers? No. Us with KD/Kyrie back? No.

Their best case scenario is 8th seed, maybe 7th. Wall is coming back from an achilles injury, and he's an athleticism reliant player. I hope he makes a full recovery and can be the same, but just like with KD, that's not a guarantee. Their roster is full of holes even at full strength, they're 100% better off continuing their rebuild, and selling high on Beal. They can't move Wall, but they can move Beal for young assets & picks. Beal will want out sooner or later, because he has publicly stated his frustrations being in a losing situation.

And yes, Holiday will be a UFA in 2021, assuming he opts out. It's a fair point, there's no guarantee of re-signing, but I'd feel pretty good about our chances of re-signing him under Marks, Tsai, and the team/situation we can provide him. But the risk is actually even greater with Spencer Dinwiddie, because he will 100% opt out, and he'll have extremely competitive offers around the league that will offer him a starting job. RFAs are also risky because they can be signed to lopsided offer sheets (like Marks did early), and then you have a decision to match.

I don't think getting Beal, or especially Jrue is a pipe dream at all. We do have the assets to make those moves, and those players are expected to get trade offers or be on trade market, because of the situations they're in. It's ultimately Marks' call whether he wants to pursue these type of players, or settle for smaller trades (e.g. Prince for whoever).

The Beal trade is the most homer trade I’ve ever seen.

No one is getting excited about LeVert and Prince. They are almost negative assets at this point. Normally we would have to attach picks just to get rid of them. They already have Thomas Bryant and are hoping to re-sign Bertrans, so Jarrett Allen does nothing for them.

Then to make matters worse, you are attaching 3 lottery protected draft picks in this trade.

So in total, the Wizards are getting two negative contracts, a C they don’t need, and 3 non-lottery draft picks for Bradley Beal whose been dropping 50 points left right and center for the past 2 seasons.

PG just got traded and in return OKC got SGA and a ton of picks and pick swaps. None of the players the Wizards are getting (Prince, LeVert, and Allen) will ever sniff an all-star team.

When in the NBA does have a team have a superstar on contract for 2+ years and they decide, let’s trade him for a bunch of spare parts and some non-lottery picks.

Seriously if Marks calls the Wizards with this trade, they would laugh their ass off, hang up, and block our number.

[Prokorov]

LeVert has 3 years and over $55 million left on his contract. Dumping him is going to cost us more than 1 draft pick.

Dinwiddie isn’t good enough of a shooter or defender to be worth keeping. In crunch time with KD and Kyrie on the court, every opposing coach in the league will tell his players to sag off Dinwiddie.

I think you can trade 3 years of levert plus a pick for 1-2 years of someone else on similar salary and get out of one of the final 2 years or both. we have other assets we could also include.

Levert isnt a guy you are worried about leving either. if you are worried about crunch time, put prince, harris, and temple next to KD and Kyrie.

Diniwddie isnt rondo. you cant treat him that way. help off a bit, but your not leaving him entirely.

Here is a list of all the individual player salaries for the next 5 years.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Any names that you think we can trade LeVert for?

I think you could get waiters for levert plus the philly pick.

[DarkXaero]

If a Beal trade does happen, it probably would happen after the Wizards at least get to see how Wall looks when he comes back, so I doubt they would trade him before the start of next season. At the earliest would be the trade deadline 2021.

Love Holiday but he’s an unrestricted free agent a year from now. In the summer of 2021, many teams will have cap space, and he will definitely get multiple max contract offers. The risk is if he walks, we gave up all our depth for 1 year of Holiday. I don’t want Holiday’s free agency to weigh everyone down during our championship window. Rather trade for players who have multiple years left on their contract or Derrick White who we know we can match any offer he gets in free agency because he will be an RFA.

I think both Beal and Holiday are pipe dreams.

I think we've already seen what the Wizards look like with Beal + Wall, and its not good enough. Those two guys make close to a combined $80 mill, which is absurd, and Wall's contract isn't even movable really. Who are the Wizards going to be better than at full strength? Bucks? No. Raptors? No. Celtics? No. Sixers? No. Heat? No. Pacers? No. Us with KD/Kyrie back? No.

Their best case scenario is 8th seed, maybe 7th. Wall is coming back from an achilles injury, and he's an athleticism reliant player. I hope he makes a full recovery and can be the same, but just like with KD, that's not a guarantee. Their roster is full of holes even at full strength, they're 100% better off continuing their rebuild, and selling high on Beal. They can't move Wall, but they can move Beal for young assets & picks. Beal will want out sooner or later, because he has publicly stated his frustrations being in a losing situation.

And yes, Holiday will be a UFA in 2021, assuming he opts out. It's a fair point, there's no guarantee of re-signing, but I'd feel pretty good about our chances of re-signing him under Marks, Tsai, and the team/situation we can provide him. But the risk is actually even greater with Spencer Dinwiddie, because he will 100% opt out, and he'll have extremely competitive offers around the league that will offer him a starting job. RFAs are also risky because they can be signed to lopsided offer sheets (like Marks did early), and then you have a decision to match.

I don't think getting Beal, or especially Jrue is a pipe dream at all. We do have the assets to make those moves, and those players are expected to get trade offers or be on trade market, because of the situations they're in. It's ultimately Marks' call whether he wants to pursue these type of players, or settle for smaller trades (e.g. Prince for whoever).

The Beal trade is the most homer trade I’ve ever seen.

No one is getting excited about LeVert and Prince. They are almost negative assets at this point. Normally we would have to attach picks just to get rid of them. They already have Thomas Bryant and are hoping to re-sign Bertrans, so Jarrett Allen does nothing for them.

Then to make matters worse, you are attaching 3 lottery protected draft picks in this trade.

So in total, the Wizards are getting two negative contracts, a C they don’t need, and 3 non-lottery draft picks for Bradley Beal whose been dropping 50 points left right and center for the past 2 seasons.

PG just got traded and in return OKC got SGA and a ton of picks and pick swaps. None of the players the Wizards are getting (Prince, LeVert, and Allen) will ever sniff an all-star team.

When in the NBA does have a team have a superstar on contract for 2+ years and they decide, let’s trade him for a bunch of spare parts and some non-lottery picks.

Seriously if Marks calls the Wizards with this trade, they would laugh their ass off, hang up, and block our number.

It looks like something must have ticked you off because this was an unnecessarily hostile post after the initial one. No, its not a homer trade. Contrary to what many Nets fans like to believe, Levert, and Prince are not negative value assets. Definitely not Levert, who will absolutely have value around the league. At worst case, Prince is there as a neutral value asset to match salaries. The guy is 25 years old, and only signed for two more years at around $12 mill/yr, close to average salary in the NBA these days. He's having a terrible year, but he's a better player than he has shown here. I've already explained my stance on Levert multiple times, and I'll just say again, that I wouldn't even trade Levert if we were a rebuilding team or a young playoffs team like we were last year. But the reality is that we're expected to contend, and we need more reliable production from someone making $17-18 mill/yr. Rebuilding teams however can make a gamble on that.

Allen is one of the best value contracts in the league, and that's a fact. He's a 21 year old center, still on his rookie deal, with defensive anchor potential at the very least. He'll be a very good starting C in this league one day, if not an all star caliber player. But it's similar reasoning as what I used with Levert. We need to improve and need more consistency, so if he can be part of a bigger trade to get a star in or a short term upgrade, you do it. But Allen is a really good young piece, and also if we didn't have DJ being the same type of C, there would be more use. You're undervaluing our players, which a team's fans often tend to do, especially when a team is in a frustrating situation like we have been. Thomas Bryant is one of the worst defenders at C in the league, and Bertans isn't even a C

Beal has 2 years remaining on his deal in summer, not 2+. Beal also isn't PG, who was coming off a stellar year, where he ranked top 3 in MVP voting, All NBA First team, All Defensive First team. Clippers were also in a unique situation where getting PG also meant getting Kawhi, so they overpaid to get it done. So why the hell would Beal get a haul similar to what PG got? Beal also isn't AD, who is a top 5 player in the NBA. And then think about which possible contender in the NBA can offer more for Beal?

[ProspectPark]

I think you can trade 3 years of levert plus a pick for 1-2 years of someone else on similar salary and get out of one of the final 2 years or both. we have other assets we could also include.

Levert isnt a guy you are worried about leving either. if you are worried about crunch time, put prince, harris, and temple next to KD and Kyrie.

Diniwddie isnt rondo. you cant treat him that way. help off a bit, but your not leaving him entirely.

Here is a list of all the individual player salaries for the next 5 years.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Any names that you think we can trade LeVert for?

I think you could get waiters for levert plus the philly pick.

Waiters was cut by the Grizzlies.

[Papi_swav]

Dinwiddie will command at least $15 million per year when he becomes a free agent a year from now. Paying him and Kyrie would mean we are spending $50 million on the point guard position.

Damn I didn't know Din had a player option for his last year SMH that changes everything. He will definitely exercise it and rightfully so. I don't know why Marks didn't just sign him to the full 4 year deal we could of gave him or at least not put in that option for his 3rd year. Even still, if we're going to trade him, I need a player as equally good as him or better, especially if we put him in a package. Gordon might be a better fit but I don't think he is better than Din. And still we need insurance for Kyrie.

Dinwiddie wanted the extension. marks gave him the most money for the longest term

Are u sure about that? I think we could of gave him 4 years instead of 3, but either way we didn't have to give him the player option, just let him play that 3rd year but whatever it's done already.