2020 NBA Draft Discussion (18th and 31st pick)

[arkuo]

Dallas needs to draft another Matisse Thybulle. These guys can be had with late first round picks. Tough thing is there is no sure fire way to scout and draft these types. These Ron Artest types, they just come and flourish in the right system. With our picks this summer, it's not hard to think we'd get this type. A late first round, and two second rounders.

[Bluelabel24]

Dallas needs to draft another Matisse Thybulle. These guys can be had with late first round picks. Tough thing is there is no sure fire way to scout and draft these types. These Ron Artest types, they just come and flourish in the right system. With our picks this summer, it's not hard to think we'd get this type. A late first round, and two second rounders.

think we messed up in taking Roby over Daniel Gafford last draft..
This year im looking at Jalen Smith from maryland, projected to be withing mavs range.

[ImMavsMan61]

Dallas needs to draft another Matisse Thybulle. These guys can be had with late first round picks. Tough thing is there is no sure fire way to scout and draft these types. These Ron Artest types, they just come and flourish in the right system. With our picks this summer, it's not hard to think we'd get this type. A late first round, and two second rounders.

think we messed up in taking Roby over Daniel Gafford last draft..
This year im looking at Jalen Smith from maryland, projected to be withing mavs range.

Jalen Smith would be an excellent pick if he was still available for the Mavs pick. There is a lot to like as his defensive ratings are great. He is good rebounder and he is even shooting .394 from 3-pt range so if he can shoot reasonably well from 3 in the NBA that makes him even better. I feel like he won't be around when the Mavs pick as I suspect he will rise up the draft boards. But if for some reason he is available I would love the pick.

[arkuo]

Dallas needs to draft another Matisse Thybulle. These guys can be had with late first round picks. Tough thing is there is no sure fire way to scout and draft these types. These Ron Artest types, they just come and flourish in the right system. With our picks this summer, it's not hard to think we'd get this type. A late first round, and two second rounders.

think we messed up in taking Roby over Daniel Gafford last draft..
This year im looking at Jalen Smith from maryland, projected to be withing mavs range.

Yeah. I feel Donnie really couldn't draft. For every 20 Justin Andersons he drafts, he gets one Luka Doncic.

[ImMavsMan61]

Anyone think Udoka Azubuike with our 2nd round pick is worth the shot?

Absolute beast but with extreme limitations. He is a great rebounder, a fabulous rim protector, a dunking machine that can overpower most players. He is really good on the pick and role and taking lob passes for dunks.

On the down side he is useless outside of 5-6 feet. You don't really want him taking a shot from even the foul line. Forget completely about the 3pt line. He is a terrible foul shooter (Can we improve that?)

I realize that the Mavs don't go with a post up game and if that is all he could do I would say forget it. But we are all about the pick and role and he sets an awesome pick with that big body and can really role to the basket. I feel like the Mavs sometimes get bullied inside and that simply would not happen with Azubuike.

He is listed as a Senior but it says he would be only 20.75 yrs old on draft day (Is that real?) Anyway, I am starting to warm to the idea after watching his last two games. If we can work with him and get him to even 60% on free throws he would be really good for the Mavs especially in certain situation and matchups.

[JamesConway]

Anyone think Udoka Azubuike with our 2nd round pick is worth the shot?

Absolute beast but with extreme limitations. He is a great rebounder, a fabulous rim protector, a dunking machine that can overpower most players. He is really good on the pick and role and taking lob passes for dunks.

On the down side he is useless outside of 5-6 feet. You don't really want him taking a shot from even the foul line. Forget completely about the 3pt line. He is a terrible foul shooter (Can we improve that?)

I realize that the Mavs don't go with a post up game and if that is all he could do I would say forget it. But we are all about the pick and role and he sets an awesome pick with that big body and can really role to the basket. I feel like the Mavs sometimes get bullied inside and that simply would not happen with Azubuike.

He is listed as a Senior but it says he would be only 20.75 yrs old on draft day (Is that real?) Anyway, I am starting to warm to the idea after watching his last two games. If we can work with him and get him to even 60% on free throws he would be really good for the Mavs especially in certain situation and matchups.

I like him a lot too, but I'd be surprised to see him get drafted early in the 2nd. To me he was a target for the Utah 2nd but we traded that away. I doubt we'll end up with him now.

But at this point I'd basically just avoid drafting Centers. Wiseman is the sole guy I'd select. The rest doesn't have more talent than NBA journeymen like WCS or Noel and guys like that can be had in FA for the minimum every summer. The position just has almost no value at all these days. The sole exception: bigs who can shoot (Jalen Smith) are interesting.

Otherwise I'd just rather keep the selections for forwards, wings and guards.

[ImMavsMan61]

Anyone think Udoka Azubuike with our 2nd round pick is worth the shot?

Absolute beast but with extreme limitations. He is a great rebounder, a fabulous rim protector, a dunking machine that can overpower most players. He is really good on the pick and role and taking lob passes for dunks.

On the down side he is useless outside of 5-6 feet. You don't really want him taking a shot from even the foul line. Forget completely about the 3pt line. He is a terrible foul shooter (Can we improve that?)

I realize that the Mavs don't go with a post up game and if that is all he could do I would say forget it. But we are all about the pick and role and he sets an awesome pick with that big body and can really role to the basket. I feel like the Mavs sometimes get bullied inside and that simply would not happen with Azubuike.

He is listed as a Senior but it says he would be only 20.75 yrs old on draft day (Is that real?) Anyway, I am starting to warm to the idea after watching his last two games. If we can work with him and get him to even 60% on free throws he would be really good for the Mavs especially in certain situation and matchups.

I like him a lot too, but I'd be surprised to see him get drafted early in the 2nd. To me he was a target for the Utah 2nd but we traded that away. I doubt we'll end up with him now.

But at this point I'd basically just avoid drafting Centers. Wiseman is the sole guy I'd select. The rest doesn't have more talent than NBA journeymen like WCS or Noel and guys like that can be had in FA for the minimum every summer. The position just has almost no value at all these days. The sole exception: bigs who can shoot (Jalen Smith) are interesting.

Otherwise I'd just rather keep the selections for forwards, wings and guards.

I kind of felt the same way about avoiding Centers that can't shoot 3 pointers reasonably well. And I agree that Jalen Smith would be a nice player to target. Though it would have to be with our 1st rounder as he would likely be gone by our 2nd round pick. My main goal with the 1st rounder would be a good wing player (SG/SF) 3 and D type guy. If we find a nice wing then I might target any player that can be a contributor with that 2nd round pick.

So I wouldn't rule out Azubuike unless we already picked a big. I see him kind of like Rudy Gobert. Maybe guys like WCS or Noel are good enough to fill that role but I feel like Azubuike has potential to be better than those fillers. We will see were he ends up in the mock drafts because I see him rising up from the current 50's range but only time will tell.

[HairyGOATee]

Dallas needs to draft another Matisse Thybulle. These guys can be had with late first round picks. Tough thing is there is no sure fire way to scout and draft these types. These Ron Artest types, they just come and flourish in the right system. With our picks this summer, it's not hard to think we'd get this type. A late first round, and two second rounders.

think we messed up in taking Roby over Daniel Gafford last draft..
This year im looking at Jalen Smith from maryland, projected to be withing mavs range.

Yeah, Roby was a bad pick. I wish the Mavs had tried to give him some playing time with the big league team though, especially when Powell went down.

But wasn't Gafford gone by the time the Mavs picked Roby? I know that the Mavs traded their original 2nd round pick to Detroit, but they got Roby and two 2nd round picks for that pick, which was a good deal, considering that the Mavs basically got Delon Wright and Willie Cauley-Stein for 2nd round picks.

[ImMavsMan61]

Stephan Curry return could hurt the Mavericks. The Warriors did lose to the Raptors last night which is good but I really don't want the Warriors to start winning and cost us even one draft position in the 2nd round. The Cavs are 3 games better right now but there are still 19 games left for the Warriors.

Even if the Mavs don't actually keep the player drafted with that 2nd rounder it is very valuable as the lack of a guaranteed contract for 2nd rounders means that 1st pick in the 2nd round is almost worth more than the last couple of picks in the 1st round.

So even as a chip for maybe moving up in the first round if there is a player we absolutely love it makes the pick valuable.

So I am hoping the NBA standings at the bottom don't change with the return of Curry.

[DJ_3_Ball]

Stephan Curry return could hurt the Mavericks. The Warriors did lose to the Raptors last night which is good but I really don't want the Warriors to start winning and cost us even one draft position in the 2nd round. The Cavs are 3 games better right now but there are still 19 games left for the Warriors.

Even if the Mavs don't actually keep the player drafted with that 2nd rounder it is very valuable as the lack of a guaranteed contract for 2nd rounders means that 1st pick in the 2nd round is almost worth more than the last couple of picks in the 1st round.

So even as a chip for maybe moving up in the first round if there is a player we absolutely love it makes the pick valuable.

So I am hoping the NBA standings at the bottom don't change with the return of Curry.

ATL is 5 games ahead of GSW. The Warriors only have 19 games left. Doubtful Steph even plays in all 19. Definitely not back-to-backs. Let's say Steph plays in 16 games. Do you know the odds of making up 5 games in just 19 games? Astronomical.

Maybe, CLE edges them out. Maybe. Doesn't really matter if you go from 31st to 32nd or 35th even. Yes, ideally, you'd rather be 31st. But, what really matters is dropping out of that top 35, definitely top 45. History shows good to great players are routinely drafted in the top 45 of the draft, and definitely in that top 31-35 range. That's where the Mavs will pick with GSW's 2nd rounder even if Steph plays all 19 remaining games, even if GSW goes buck wild and sports a 13-6 record over their remaining 19.

[arkuo]

NBAdraft.net has us taking Precious Achiuwa in the first round. A Moe Harkless / Travis Outlaw comparison.

The kid had a 22 point and 22 rebound game last week. See for yourself.

Watch on YouTube

[HairyGOATee]

Anyone else think the Mavs will use their draft picks this year as extra ammo to pull off a trade? Seems like the Cuban + Donnie thing to do tbh.

[Roddy B for 3]

I hope we draft Tyler Bey.

He's a guy who tankathon has available when we pick, if he's there we should take him.

[ImMavsMan61]

We may use the draft picks as trade ammo as the Mavs really don't seem to like the draft. But I would like them to pick some players with some upside. They tend to like the older more mature picks. Yes there is less time for them to develop but often their upside is not as high.

My top priorities are 2/3 or 3/4 wings but if a good big falls to us I would take them as well. The only position I really would not look to draft is PG.

Only listing players that I think we have some chance being available when the Mavs pick.

2/3:
Devin Vassel: 6'7" Solid defender and good shooter. Likely gone when we pick but close enough to list.
Aaron Nesmith: 6'6" Sharpshooter. His offensive upside is huge. He could be that guy you simply can't leave to help on Luka.
Jamius Ramsey: 6'4" Decent defender and good 3 point shooter. Needs some development but 3 and D type player
Tyler Bey: 6'7" Good defender and rebounder. Couple years older than the others. Doesn't take enough 3's to know if 3 and D guy.

3/4: more 4 than 3
Precious Achiuwa: 6'9" Great rebounder and good inside defender. Lots of upside here.

4/5:
Jalen Smith: 6'10" Great Rebounder and good inside defender. Could develop reasonable 3 pt shot. Good upside here.

5:
Udoka Azubuike: 7'0" Absolute beast inside. I still think he has a place in the NBA.
Vernon Carey: 6'10" How can you ignore a Freshman averaging 18 and 9 but I am not sold on him.
Daniel Oturu: 6'10" Similar to Jalen Smith only maybe not as good a defender.

We could end up with two of the above players and that would be a good day. Maybe one of the bigger names falls in the draft but I don't really see anyone currently in the 12-18 range that I like any better than what is projected in the Mavs range.

[Bluelabel24]

We may use the draft picks as trade ammo as the Mavs really don't seem to like the draft. But I would like them to pick some players with some upside. They tend to like the older more mature picks. Yes there is less time for them to develop but often their upside is not as high.

My top priorities are 2/3 or 3/4 wings but if a good big falls to us I would take them as well. The only position I really would not look to draft is PG.

Only listing players that I think we have some chance being available when the Mavs pick.

2/3:
Devin Vassel: 6'7" Solid defender and good shooter. Likely gone when we pick but close enough to list.
Aaron Nesmith: 6'6" Sharpshooter. His offensive upside is huge. He could be that guy you simply can't leave to help on Luka.
Jamius Ramsey: 6'4" Decent defender and good 3 point shooter. Needs some development but 3 and D type player
Tyler Bey: 6'7" Good defender and rebounder. Couple years older than the others. Doesn't take enough 3's to know if 3 and D guy.

3/4: more 4 than 3
Precious Achiuwa: 6'9" Great rebounder and good inside defender. Lots of upside here.

4/5:
Jalen Smith: 6'10" Great Rebounder and good inside defender. Could develop reasonable 3 pt shot. Good upside here.

5:
Udoka Azubuike: 7'0" Absolute beast inside. I still think he has a place in the NBA.
Vernon Carey: 6'10" How can you ignore a Freshman averaging 18 and 9 but I am not sold on him.
Daniel Oturu: 6'10" Similar to Jalen Smith only maybe not as good a defender.

We could end up with two of the above players and that would be a good day. Maybe one of the bigger names falls in the draft but I don't really see anyone currently in the 12-18 range that I like any better than what is projected in the Mavs range.

gotta agree here..
top tier choices for me would be Aaron Nesmith and Precious Achiuwa. I think they just fill the needs we have bigtime.
2nd tier would be Jalen Smith, Amar Sylla and Isaiah Stewart maybe.
really hope we dont draft a Pg or an undersized sg

[arkuo]

if we can move up from the 17th pick (where we currently are) to the 14th pick (by trading 17 and that GSW 2nd rounder) to get someone like Jaden McDaniels, I think its a good gamble. The kid looks like Jonathan Isaac out when he came into college. 6'10 SF/PF with a 7 ft wingspan.

3&D SF/PF to complement KP at C.

Watch on YouTube

[swaggerbox]

Option 1: Package one or both picks for Bogdan Bogdanovic (RFA) so SAC doesn't match
Option 2: Package both picks and move up and draft someone who might fall? (Cole Anthony, Onyeka Okongwu etc.)
Option 3: Trade 1 for Matisse Thybulle
Option 4: Keep both picks: draft and stash Pokusevski and Leandro Balmoro
Option 5: Trade both for 2021 draft picks

[dirkforpres]

Option 1: Package one or both picks for Bogdan Bogdanovic (RFA) so SAC doesn't match
Option 2: Package both picks and move up and draft someone who might fall? (Cole Anthony, Onyeka Okongwu etc.)
Option 3: Trade 1 for Matisse Thybulle
Option 4: Keep both picks: draft and stash Pokusevski and Leandro Balmoro
Option 5: Trade both for 2021 draft picks

Since there won’t be a March Madness, the odds that a great player won’t jump in the draft are higher. I’m not sure if that means the Mavs will intend to keep the pick, or if that means the value of them goes up a bit. Either way, it’s good news IMO

[ImMavsMan61]

Option 1: Package one or both picks for Bogdan Bogdanovic (RFA) so SAC doesn't match
Option 2: Package both picks and move up and draft someone who might fall? (Cole Anthony, Onyeka Okongwu etc.)
Option 3: Trade 1 for Matisse Thybulle
Option 4: Keep both picks: draft and stash Pokusevski and Leandro Balmoro
Option 5: Trade both for 2021 draft picks

Option 1 if it’s one pick not both
Option 2 is ok if there was a near sure thing type player. (Not Cole Anthony IMO). Honestly I like the players in the Mavs range as much as any of the guys ahead except maybe a top 6 player but our two picks would not be enough to get that high
Option 3 would be OK

I don’t like options 4 or 5
Let’s add some more young talent now and let them grow with this team

The season cancellation probably helps the Mavs draft position. They were playing good lately and may have cost 4-5 draft slots if they played out the season.

[Teffer10]

Honestly I can't see the Mavs passing up Aaron Nesmith if he's available when they pick.
The kid is a great shooter and defender and the only concern I could see is the foot injury.
Josh Green would be a great pick too in that range.

Personally I'd like to see them go for a 3/4 type of player to solidify their SL but I honestly can't see them passing on Nesmith if he is there because he'd be a perfect fit for our system and probably has Bradley Beal potential.