PG: Well at least we are getting healthy

[transplant]

At the start of the season, I said that I liked the roster. It seems that as soon as I said it, guys started dropping like flies. I mean, some injuries are to be expected, but the Bulls injury experience over the past few seasons has been ridiculous.

Guys like Satoransky, Young, Arcidiacano, and Harrison have gotten trashed when in fact they're playing more minutes than intended and often at positions that don't suit them.

To be clear, even if the Bulls had a starting lineup of Satoransky-LaVine-Porter-Markkanen-Carter all season, they still weren't a lock for a playoff spot, particularly with an inferior head coach.

[MrSparkle]

At the start of the season, I said that I liked the roster. It seems that as soon as I said it, guys started dropping like flies. I mean, some injuries are to be expected, but the Bulls injury experience over the past few seasons has been ridiculous.

Guys like Satoransky, Young, Arcidiacano, and Harrison have gotten trashed when in fact they're playing more minutes than intended and often at positions that don't suit them.

To be clear, even if the Bulls had a starting lineup of Satoransky-LaVine-Porter-Markkanen-Carter all season, they still weren't a lock for a playoff spot, particularly with an inferior head coach.

I didn't love it, but I certainly thought it had a 35-win floor, just on depth alone.

I really think coach Boylen took them "out" in the first 2 months. The rotations and schemes were bad, and sure, some guys were hurt early, but he had some healthy bodies besides Otto, and couldn't make anything work.

The way they came out playing in October, with an almost fully healthy roster, was total dog ****. Otto was a big blow, but then just the lack of cohesion with all remaining 10 guys... I think he made a mediocre/injured roster into a really bad one.

[Dresden]

This is all the coach, which is why so many on the forum rightfully put a large or majority of the blame on Boylen. He's not putting his players in position to succeed.

Not me. I won't be sad to see Boylen go, but I think he's far from the biggest problem with this team. The problem is lack of talent.

The problem is the the coaching staff & the entire league knows it. The talent is fine. Could be better, but its fine. Had we hired Taylor Jenkins or Joerger, we’d be in the playoffs. Coaching is everything. That’s why you see the Heat turning raw athletes like adebayo into skilled players, and no names like Kendrick Nunn into ROY candidates. The Bulls are a notoriously toxic atmosphere where guys regress, stagnate, and lose value. We’ve heard & seen it time & time again, from players, analysts, etc. The one & only real success the franchise has had over the past twenty years came because the coach went to war with the FO, froze them out, and turned the players against them. Then & only then were we able to achieve success & develop guys. The problem right now is the horrible toxic atmosphere & coach/fo.

I disagree. listen to a fair amount of nba games, and I never hear analysts or announcers say any of these things about the Bulls. All teams that lose have conflicts now and again. So do even winning teams. Our talent is good enough to win 35-40 games, IF healthy. Which it has not been almost all season. It's not talented enough to do much more than that, so that is a big problem.

[GameBredAPBT]

Not me. I won't be sad to see Boylen go, but I think he's far from the biggest problem with this team. The problem is lack of talent.

The problem is the the coaching staff & the entire league knows it. The talent is fine. Could be better, but its fine. Had we hired Taylor Jenkins or Joerger, we’d be in the playoffs. Coaching is everything. That’s why you see the Heat turning raw athletes like adebayo into skilled players, and no names like Kendrick Nunn into ROY candidates. The Bulls are a notoriously toxic atmosphere where guys regress, stagnate, and lose value. We’ve heard & seen it time & time again, from players, analysts, etc. The one & only real success the franchise has had over the past twenty years came because the coach went to war with the FO, froze them out, and turned the players against them. Then & only then were we able to achieve success & develop guys. The problem right now is the horrible toxic atmosphere & coach/fo.

I disagree. listen to a fair amount of nba games, and I never hear analysts or announcers say any of these things about the Bulls. All teams that lose have conflicts now and again. So do even winning teams. Our talent is good enough to win 35-40 games, IF healthy. Which it has not been almost all season. It's not talented enough to do much more than that, so that is a big problem.

You’re kidding right? Boylin is the clown prince of the nba right now. Everyone & their cousin has been roasting him relentlessly for about a year. The wolves commentators were clowning on him last night. Are you living in an alternate reality? The Bulls FO & their handpicked “coaches” have been the butt end of basketball jokes for the past 20 years, save for the Skiles & Thibs eras

The Bulls talent is fine, and a real coaching staff would have them in the playoffs in the east. You take this team & hand them over to Spoelstra, and they look completely different. None of them want to be in Chicago & none of them want to play for boylon

[wolffy]

Wrong thread

[Dan Z]

How much cap space will the Bulls have at the end of the season? With and without Otto. Is there anyone you think the Bulls should pursue?

[Chi town]

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Lauris body language and attitude looked much more assertive lastnight.

My bet is Boylen has worn on him big time and he is going to play his game for the rest of the season.

Can’t wait to watch.

tbh, he looked like he did in December...with a bit more usage and maybe an extra post up

1. I think Coby is going to be our #1 option but that won’t help Lauri for WCJ

2. I think a Coby Lavine Otto big 3 could be a playoff team if we had great defenders at the 4 and 5. Or a playmaking big like a Jurkic.

I think Coby should be the #1 option in playmaking (not scoring). For that, that's an upgrade coming from Lavine for Lauri/WCJ. However I agree it probably won't maximize our bigs. This team would have been a playoff team if we had a lead playmaker...regardless of everything else

Go get CP3 with Thad, Sato, and Felicio and watch our bigs thrive, Lavine become a winner, and Coby become a star. That's what CP3 would do for this team.

[Chi town]

The problem is the the coaching staff & the entire league knows it. The talent is fine. Could be better, but its fine. Had we hired Taylor Jenkins or Joerger, we’d be in the playoffs. Coaching is everything. That’s why you see the Heat turning raw athletes like adebayo into skilled players, and no names like Kendrick Nunn into ROY candidates. The Bulls are a notoriously toxic atmosphere where guys regress, stagnate, and lose value. We’ve heard & seen it time & time again, from players, analysts, etc. The one & only real success the franchise has had over the past twenty years came because the coach went to war with the FO, froze them out, and turned the players against them. Then & only then were we able to achieve success & develop guys. The problem right now is the horrible toxic atmosphere & coach/fo.

I disagree. listen to a fair amount of nba games, and I never hear analysts or announcers say any of these things about the Bulls. All teams that lose have conflicts now and again. So do even winning teams. Our talent is good enough to win 35-40 games, IF healthy. Which it has not been almost all season. It's not talented enough to do much more than that, so that is a big problem.

You’re kidding right? Boylin is the clown prince of the nba right now. Everyone & their cousin has been roasting him relentlessly for about a year. The wolves commentators were clowning on him last night. Are you living in an alternate reality? The Bulls FO & their handpicked “coaches” have been the butt end of basketball jokes for the past 20 years, save for the Skiles & Thibs eras

The Bulls talent is fine, and a real coaching staff would have them in the playoffs in the east. You take this team & hand them over to Spoelstra, and they look completely different. None of them want to be in Chicago & none of them want to play for boylon

Truth.

Give the Bulls a top 10 coach and they would look completely different. Spo, Carlisle, Stevens, Doc, Pop, Gentry, Vogel, Snyder, Bud

[Dresden]

The problem is the the coaching staff & the entire league knows it. The talent is fine. Could be better, but its fine. Had we hired Taylor Jenkins or Joerger, we’d be in the playoffs. Coaching is everything. That’s why you see the Heat turning raw athletes like adebayo into skilled players, and no names like Kendrick Nunn into ROY candidates. The Bulls are a notoriously toxic atmosphere where guys regress, stagnate, and lose value. We’ve heard & seen it time & time again, from players, analysts, etc. The one & only real success the franchise has had over the past twenty years came because the coach went to war with the FO, froze them out, and turned the players against them. Then & only then were we able to achieve success & develop guys. The problem right now is the horrible toxic atmosphere & coach/fo.

I disagree. listen to a fair amount of nba games, and I never hear analysts or announcers say any of these things about the Bulls. All teams that lose have conflicts now and again. So do even winning teams. Our talent is good enough to win 35-40 games, IF healthy. Which it has not been almost all season. It's not talented enough to do much more than that, so that is a big problem.

You’re kidding right? Boylin is the clown prince of the nba right now. Everyone & their cousin has been roasting him relentlessly for about a year. The wolves commentators were clowning on him last night. Are you living in an alternate reality? The Bulls FO & their handpicked “coaches” have been the butt end of basketball jokes for the past 20 years, save for the Skiles & Thibs eras

The Bulls talent is fine, and a real coaching staff would have them in the playoffs in the east. You take this team & hand them over to Spoelstra, and they look completely different. None of them want to be in Chicago & none of them want to play for boylon

That's a lot of unsubstantiated hearsay. It's fans that are doing most of the roasting of Boylen. I didn't hear anything from the MIN commentators, although I didn't listen to the whole game. Hoiberg was actually a somewhat highly sought after coach when the Bulls hired him. VDN came out of the San Antonio system.

And the Bulls talent is not fine. We lack a Jimmy Butler type like Miami has, that can make everyone else better. We have no high end talent. MN beat us the other night without their best player, and with a roster of journeymen or young players hoping to stick with some team. No matter how bad the coaching, if we were that much more talented we would have won that game.

[Dresden]

I disagree. listen to a fair amount of nba games, and I never hear analysts or announcers say any of these things about the Bulls. All teams that lose have conflicts now and again. So do even winning teams. Our talent is good enough to win 35-40 games, IF healthy. Which it has not been almost all season. It's not talented enough to do much more than that, so that is a big problem.

You’re kidding right? Boylin is the clown prince of the nba right now. Everyone & their cousin has been roasting him relentlessly for about a year. The wolves commentators were clowning on him last night. Are you living in an alternate reality? The Bulls FO & their handpicked “coaches” have been the butt end of basketball jokes for the past 20 years, save for the Skiles & Thibs eras

The Bulls talent is fine, and a real coaching staff would have them in the playoffs in the east. You take this team & hand them over to Spoelstra, and they look completely different. None of them want to be in Chicago & none of them want to play for boylon

Truth.

Give the Bulls a top 10 coach and they would look completely different. Spo, Carlisle, Stevens, Doc, Pop, Gentry, Vogel, Snyder, Bud

Highly doubtful. Just to name one- Brad Stevens: he has 3 all star level players in Brown, Tatum and Walker, and they are at the 3 key positions in the nba. He might do better than Boylen has, but not enough to make a real difference. Esp. not with all the injuries.

[bulls_troy]

He has been playing 39 of 48 minutes. Your sample size with him off the court is 9 mpg when the other team is resting its best players.

I can't believe how many people just don't get that individual +/- stats are useless.

All analytics are useless IMO

ah there we go.

Oops I had an opinion. My bad

[GameBredAPBT]

I disagree. listen to a fair amount of nba games, and I never hear analysts or announcers say any of these things about the Bulls. All teams that lose have conflicts now and again. So do even winning teams. Our talent is good enough to win 35-40 games, IF healthy. Which it has not been almost all season. It's not talented enough to do much more than that, so that is a big problem.

You’re kidding right? Boylin is the clown prince of the nba right now. Everyone & their cousin has been roasting him relentlessly for about a year. The wolves commentators were clowning on him last night. Are you living in an alternate reality? The Bulls FO & their handpicked “coaches” have been the butt end of basketball jokes for the past 20 years, save for the Skiles & Thibs eras

The Bulls talent is fine, and a real coaching staff would have them in the playoffs in the east. You take this team & hand them over to Spoelstra, and they look completely different. None of them want to be in Chicago & none of them want to play for boylon

Truth.

Give the Bulls a top 10 coach and they would look completely different. Spo, Carlisle, Stevens, Doc, Pop, Gentry, Vogel, Snyder, Bud

Of course agree with them needing a top ten coach but vogel is awful. LBJ coaches that team. Rivers is overrated imo, definitely was an elite coach & he’s downright bad a lot of the time. Gentry? Lol. I thought you were messing with me on those three guys. Gentry especially is one of the worst. Kerr is way above Rivers & especially Vogel & Gentry. You forgetting about Mike Malone? He’s above those guys as well. Donovan is better than Vogel & Gentry, for sure. Mike dantoni? LOL. Kenny Atkinson? Nate McMillan? No one would take Gentry, Vogel, or rivers over those guys.

[GameBredAPBT]

You’re kidding right? Boylin is the clown prince of the nba right now. Everyone & their cousin has been roasting him relentlessly for about a year. The wolves commentators were clowning on him last night. Are you living in an alternate reality? The Bulls FO & their handpicked “coaches” have been the butt end of basketball jokes for the past 20 years, save for the Skiles & Thibs eras

The Bulls talent is fine, and a real coaching staff would have them in the playoffs in the east. You take this team & hand them over to Spoelstra, and they look completely different. None of them want to be in Chicago & none of them want to play for boylon

Truth.

Give the Bulls a top 10 coach and they would look completely different. Spo, Carlisle, Stevens, Doc, Pop, Gentry, Vogel, Snyder, Bud

Highly doubtful. Just to name one- Brad Stevens: he has 3 all star level players in Brown, Tatum and Walker, and they are at the 3 key positions in the nba. He might do better than Boylen has, but not enough to make a real difference. Esp. not with all the injuries.

Complete BS. Stevens is the reason they’re playing well. You don’t pay attention to basketball if you think this, and unless you’re being ironic/silly by actually defending the Bulls sham of a team, none of what you’re saying makes any sense. Stevens is an incredible coach. His rotations, his poise, his timeouts, his ability to get them to share the ball while also being themselves, that’s why you have different guys going off for them every night. He’s allowed Tatum to grow into being a leader. The energy in Boston is good. Yes it helps having someone like Tatum but he was looking ho hum last year & early this year. Stevens is the leader of that team. He’d have the Bulls at the 7th seed or so, probably higher. I could definitely see that. The Bulls players have zero sense of direction, they’re running around in the dark & it’s obvious to anyone who watches the games. I mean ****, there were reports that came out yesterday that said Boylin was feuding with Doug Collins, why would a FO member be meddling in any way, with anything regarding coaching? They’re a mess

[GameBredAPBT]

At the start of the season, I said that I liked the roster. It seems that as soon as I said it, guys started dropping like flies. I mean, some injuries are to be expected, but the Bulls injury experience over the past few seasons has been ridiculous.

Guys like Satoransky, Young, Arcidiacano, and Harrison have gotten trashed when in fact they're playing more minutes than intended and often at positions that don't suit them.

To be clear, even if the Bulls had a starting lineup of Satoransky-LaVine-Porter-Markkanen-Carter all season, they still weren't a lock for a playoff spot, particularly with an inferior head coach.

I didn't love it, but I certainly thought it had a 35-win floor, just on depth alone.

I really think coach Boylen took them "out" in the first 2 months. The rotations and schemes were bad, and sure, some guys were hurt early, but he had some healthy bodies besides Otto, and couldn't make anything work.

The way they came out playing in October, with an almost fully healthy roster, was total dog ****. Otto was a big blow, but then just the lack of cohesion with all remaining 10 guys... I think he made a mediocre/injured roster into a really bad one.

Another thing to remember is that guys get hurt when they’re mind isn’t right. When they’re on edge, filled with unease. The Bulls have created such a horribly toxic, downtrodden environment for these kids, it can really mess with their confidence which can lead to injuries. It’s just a bad scene all around

They need to hire a new GM & let the players AND the GM know that they’re focused on changing. However, the reports of Collins & boilan getting into it really made my stomach drop. Boylon should have been gone, as soon as all this drama started all those months ago with the mutiny. The fact that he’s still here tells me that PaxGar will still be here next year & he’ll still be the “coach”. If they’re focused on changing then why not fire boylan at the AS break? The players despise him, fans despise him, he now allegedly has heat with a FO member. Wtff!??!?

[PaKii94]

All analytics are useless IMO

ah there we go.

Oops I had an opinion. My bad

Ya I know lol. That was my opinion on your opinion

[drosereturn]

At the start of the season, I said that I liked the roster. It seems that as soon as I said it, guys started dropping like flies. I mean, some injuries are to be expected, but the Bulls injury experience over the past few seasons has been ridiculous.

Guys like Satoransky, Young, Arcidiacano, and Harrison have gotten trashed when in fact they're playing more minutes than intended and often at positions that don't suit them.

To be clear, even if the Bulls had a starting lineup of Satoransky-LaVine-Porter-Markkanen-Carter all season, they still weren't a lock for a playoff spot, particularly with an inferior head coach.

Sato, Young were fine signings for a team like Bulls thats not a relevant FA destination.
Young was a starter for way better teams and he actually transformed his game adding the 3pt shot.
Unfortunately, Sato didnt show any major improvement like Otto did to become borderline all-star despite increased usage.
His efficiency and 3pt plummeted but still you can play him 3 positions and give him 30 min off the bench.
At worst, you deal them for neutral value salary dump to a contender that needs proven role players short term.

The issue is with garbage men not doing well during emergency situations. Arci, Shaq, Felicio are not NBA material and these guys need to be replaced with Mokoka and other 3and D wings like even TLC. When you have 5 guys injured all the time taking turns, your literally 10 deep you cannot have holes in the roster.