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[Marty McFly]

I'm still giving him a year before we know if he's back to potentially being the the true unicorn.

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[Marty McFly]

I think the funniest thing was the hubris of knick fans who acted like the Dude wasn't the best player this team had drafted in 30 years. fans who acted like we could do better. you put him on an actual basketball team with a great coach, he's going to be a game changer. and that's what it seems like in dallas.

[NY 567]

Porzingis has been playing like a top 10-15 player for about 6 weeks now. He's back and he's only going to get better. **** James Dolan and this dysfunctional franchise.

[dakomish23]

Who’s got ESPN insider

Top 25 under 25

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https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/28829893/nba-best-25-25-ranking-future-superstars

Happy to see Simmons get the respect he deserves

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Thx. No Mitch is surprising b/c I assumed they could see passed our dysfunction to recognize the talent. He's the best PnR finisher in the NBA and a beast on defense. He should be on this list.

I'd take him over a few guys on this list.

[Tron Carter]

KP looking extremely fatigued and anemic out there tonight. I'm just glad we were able to get a player the caliber of Dennis Smith Jr out of him before his body broke down.

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[NY 567]

KP looking extremely fatigued and anemic out there tonight. I'm just glad we were able to get a player the caliber of Dennis Smith Jr out of him before his body broke down.

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That's not hard. Dennis Smith is averaging 5 and 3 with a TS% of .399 lmaooo. Only the Knicks would move KP for a guy this bad. He makes Mardy Collins and Frank Williams look like Allen Iverson and Steve Nash comparatively, he might be the worst rotation guard in the history of the franchise.

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[Thugger HBC]

So he’s just making up that other teams who weren’t contacted said this? That’s your reasoning?

He was and most def is good enough to be a league wide prospect. And even if you didn’t think so, why is that an excuse to not do your due diligence?? You want the best deal possible and you don’t know what that is till you see all the offers.

I've already stated this. We have actual evidence of what the Knicks reportedly were after. For an exec to say "they were unaware" really falls on them and not the Knicks because there is plenty of evidence that the Knicks when putting KP out there as a trade piece reportedly did contact several teams that had high end prospect and picks.

Boston.....this one was public even when Phil was here and likely got fired over it, and that was roughly three years ago. So these unnamed execs didn't know? How do we know and they don't?

Spurs knew as well and was reportedly interested back in 2018, something reportedly as well the Knicks took offense to.

Kings, Phx Utah had prospects the Knicks were interested in. Simple googling validates this. But these other execs didn't know? Ok.

Similar reports came out even when Phil was here. Every team doesn't have top drafts and or good young prospects and can provide cap space at the same time.

And no, KP wasn't a league-wide prospect then and isnt now. Productive sure, but I doubt seriously every team in the league would want KP and would have traded their best player for him, because that was what the Knicks were asking for along with cap space and picks. The evidence is there. It's fine if you choose to ignore it as those execs clearly have done.

But as I've stated in a previous post in another topic. Knicks have recent history on accommodating their players that want to leave into sending them to a location the player has some desire to.

Melo and KP being the forefront, but it happened as well with Tyson.

You’re justification for them not opening to the bidding is a former exec was looking to trade him 2 years before so the whole league knew he was available 2 years later under a different regime? The same regime that made it clear he was a part of the future?

If this is the type of logic you want to use, then we’ll agree to disagree.

All 29 teams would have called in. What you’ve seen the last stretch is why.

We'll agree to disagree. i'm good with that.

[EricAnderson]

This happens every time Porzingis has a hot stretch. Maybe this is real? Most likely it's not. He's a Tier B player until he proves otherwise and he still has long term health concerns. It is what it is. Wish Dennis panned out but he didn't. No point in crying over spilled milk. Leon hopefully will be more baseline competent than past regimes.

I mean if we didnt sign Randle. We also wouldnt of signed Empty stats Payton. Its not like we winning a chip in the next couple year

RJ KP Mitch is a solid ass foundation to build around

I'd have long term concerns over a Mitch and KP pairing defensively. But yeah sure it would be solid. I'm just not sold on KP as a long term number 1 and I don't think he's raised his value around the league since we dealt him. We still wouldn't be bale to get Fox, Mitchell, AD with him as trade bait today

We traded a guy in his early 20’s who When on the court the worst thing you can say about him is “you’re not sure if he can be a number 1” on a contender which can be said for about everyone in the league sans 3 or 4 guys for two picks that are gonna be in the 20’s do you realize how historically bad that is?

Do you know how many mediocre players can get you a pick in the mid to high 20’s?

We traded at the very least a very good player for a salary dump. I bet you there’s never been as young and talented a player as KP ever traded for a salary dump and there won’t be one again.

What the Knick did was unprecedented

[dakomish23]

I mean if we didnt sign Randle. We also wouldnt of signed Empty stats Payton. Its not like we winning a chip in the next couple year

RJ KP Mitch is a solid ass foundation to build around

I'd have long term concerns over a Mitch and KP pairing defensively. But yeah sure it would be solid. I'm just not sold on KP as a long term number 1 and I don't think he's raised his value around the league since we dealt him. We still wouldn't be bale to get Fox, Mitchell, AD with him as trade bait today

We traded a guy in his early 20’s who When on the court the worst thing you can say about him is “you’re not sure if he can be a number 1” on a contender which can be said for about everyone in the league sans 3 or 4 guys for two picks that are gonna be in the 20’s do you realize how historically bad that is?

Do you know how many mediocre players can get you a pick in the mid to high 20’s?

We traded at the very least a very good player for a salary dump. I bet you there’s never been as young and talented a player as KP ever traded for a salary dump and there won’t be one again.

What the Knick did was unprecedented

I have to see how many times a young talented player was traded on their rookie deal. Nothing comes to mind. That’s a good question.

Jamal Mashburn?

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/15/sports/miami-acquires-mashburn-from-dallas-to-bolster-its-firepower.html

[Knicksfan1992]

I mean if we didnt sign Randle. We also wouldnt of signed Empty stats Payton. Its not like we winning a chip in the next couple year

RJ KP Mitch is a solid ass foundation to build around

I'd have long term concerns over a Mitch and KP pairing defensively. But yeah sure it would be solid. I'm just not sold on KP as a long term number 1 and I don't think he's raised his value around the league since we dealt him. We still wouldn't be bale to get Fox, Mitchell, AD with him as trade bait today

We traded a guy in his early 20’s who When on the court the worst thing you can say about him is “you’re not sure if he can be a number 1” on a contender which can be said for about everyone in the league sans 3 or 4 guys for two picks that are gonna be in the 20’s do you realize how historically bad that is?

Do you know how many mediocre players can get you a pick in the mid to high 20’s?

We traded at the very least a very good player for a salary dump. I bet you there’s never been as young and talented a player as KP ever traded for a salary dump and there won’t be one again.

What the Knick did was unprecedented

Hindsight is 20/20. You're leaving out key context when you frame it like you did.

facts are:
KP didn't want to stay/ would have likely forced his way out after either getting his max extension or signed a QO (latter unlikely but still possible). Do you think KP of today fetches a young lottery pick and 2 future 1sts? I highly doubt it but maybe I guess...

Knicks tried to get better packages but were rebuffed. notably for Booker, Fox, Mitchell, and AD (and that's only what was reported)

KP had a history of injuries and is already on a minutes limit/rest schedule before the age of 25 as a big man.

DSJ at the time was more highly regarded than he is now, but it wasn't just a "salary dump" considering we did get assets back (You can blame the Knicks for this too for not developing DSJ the way he should have been)

I'm not saying it was a great trade and the brigade of "revisionist posters" is the fuqqing worst on this site and in general on social media where nothing can have "grey area".

The KP trade can be good and bad at the same time. NY got increased flexibility/future pick capital and didn't have to rush into a decision to max KP or not even if those picks don't turn into something as good as KP is (even though I'd argue for the majority of the season he's been pretty bad but whatever) Dallas got a guy who can hopefully turn into a 2nd option for Luka but also left themselves with little wiggle room to add on to that core of 2.

That's about all I've got as far as this topic goes. Quote me all you want I'll leave it with this

[Chanel Bomber]

As a KP critic, I must admit that I’m starting to feel a little nervous

My only issue about the KP trade remains the fact that we could have gotten so many more assets or far better assets if we hadn’t been so hell-bent on creating capspace for this free agency pipedream that was obviously not going to materialize.

I believe the Kings were open to trading Fox for KP but trade talks fell apart when the Knicks asked them to absorb Hardaway’s contract smh. THAT is what I am most upset about. And this is why I was so against this free agency plan from the beginning. We’re still paying the price for Pills’s delusion of grandeur.

[Worst_to_First]

So is KP finally now better than KAT?

[Blockwatcher]

Yo haha the Knicks broke the Rockets. They friggin suck, not helping us improve that Clippers pick at all, not even trying.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I believe the Kings were open to trading Fox for KP but trade talks fell apart when the Knicks asked them to absorb Hardaway’s contract smh. THAT is what I am most upset about. And this is why I was so against this free agency plan from the beginning. We’re still paying the price for Pills’s delusion of grandeur.

This is a decent take, imo. It's alleged that Booker, Fox, Mitchell(??), Tatum (but only those, afaik) were players the Knicks were interested in trading KP for, but we really don't know the deal that the Knicks (either Phil or the Pills) were interested in trying to make. And we don't know what the other teams might have entertained. In the end it does look like the overriding priority was to dump salary (for the Pills - it's not clear how far the Phil-Boston stuff actually went). Which almost certainly soured those deals *and* looks absolutely idiotic - even if the only thing you want to do is open cap space - given the Nets sign and trading D'Lo to the Warriors. People may think Phil was dozy - albeit he drafted KP, Frank and Dot, but the Pills are in the running for worst ever FO (ok - Mitch may be redeeming a little .. no credit for auto#3 pick RJ).

[Worst_to_First]

Clippers are getting serious. I don’t see any teams that would give them problems out West.

Interestingly enough I think the team that may come out of the East could give them the most challenge.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Clippers are getting serious. I don’t see any teams that would give them problems out West.

Interestingly enough I think the team that may come out of the East could give them the most challenge.

Mil is probably going to have a 70 win season. That's something even in the East. And if a team beats them in the ECF that should be pretty good as well.

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ldo the Lakers will win the championship because Kobe

[Blockwatcher]

Meanwhile I should be in bed but im watching golden state thinking "maybe that last game of the season against the warriors will mean something for the tank"

[dakomish23]

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[Capn'O]

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That clip just made me look up the exhibition games before the '84 Olympics. I didn't know there was tape

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Hubie Brown knows a thing or two about the game.