2020 Draft Thread

[cdubbz]

Lonzo is a top 3 pick that is still a below average point guard in his 3rd year, and Lamelo has had a 10x more dysfunctional road to the NBA. This kid's game is full of talent, but you can tell there is zero formal coaching mixed in there. He's going to have a steep learning curve in the NBA.

Lonzo is 22yo lol. He’s been injured a whole lot and this Pelicans team he has been thriving.

And what is ‘formal coaching’ nowadays anyways? Mike D’Antoni is running an offense that the Ball brothers were doing in high school. Times have changed.

Formal coaching would be something like Paschall got from Jay Wright, which obviously made him an instant success in the NBA. But that's an extreme case of 4 years from the best coach. But even looking at 2 year guys like Toppin and Haliburton, or guys that play a year under coach K, etc...their games are so much more refined than a kid like Lamelo.

I think what's getting lost in all this is we're talking about taking Lamelo with a potential top 3 pick and putting him on a team that will be contending next year. If we were rebuilding and had a late lottery pick or something, I'd be perfectly fine with taking a shot, but no way in hell I'm I taking on a project like him.

Agree to disagree. It’s wild talking “refined” games for 18-20 year olds as if they can’t get coached after that. Look at guys like Giannis & Embiid who started hooping late. Their first formal coaching was probably the NBA.

Basically. Lamelo Ball doubters will see that he is truly talented.

[ChuckDurn]

how about a S&T deal with the Wizards

they get Andrew Wiggins and the 1st pick, we get their 9th pick + Davis Bertans and Isaac Bonga

then we can stay put at 9, or even trade back again with someone like Boston for #17 and #27.

Doing another sign-and-trade would hard-cap the Warriors again. No way they will do that.

[Scoots1994]

I think it would be a mistake to draft for next year. Figure out the best player for the Warriors long term and draft that player. Now is not the time to be cautious.

People talking about trading down to the 17th pick, that's just crazy to me. There are a LOT of questions in this draft but the best way to get the player you want is to draft them when you can draft them, not get cute and try to stockpile assets for the sake of "winning the trade" or "winning the draft". I'd be happy with a trade down, but only if they can be sure to get their favorite player still.

[Scoots1994]

Lonzo is 22yo lol. He’s been injured a whole lot and this Pelicans team he has been thriving.

And what is ‘formal coaching’ nowadays anyways? Mike D’Antoni is running an offense that the Ball brothers were doing in high school. Times have changed.

Formal coaching would be something like Paschall got from Jay Wright, which obviously made him an instant success in the NBA. But that's an extreme case of 4 years from the best coach. But even looking at 2 year guys like Toppin and Haliburton, or guys that play a year under coach K, etc...their games are so much more refined than a kid like Lamelo.

I think what's getting lost in all this is we're talking about taking Lamelo with a potential top 3 pick and putting him on a team that will be contending next year. If we were rebuilding and had a late lottery pick or something, I'd be perfectly fine with taking a shot, but no way in hell I'm I taking on a project like him.

Agree to disagree. It’s wild talking “refined” games for 18-20 year olds as if they can’t get coached after that. Look at guys like Giannis & Embiid who started hooping late. Their first formal coaching was probably the NBA.

Basically. Lamelo Ball doubters will see that he is truly talented.

Nobody is doubting that LaMelo is talented, it's the accurate application of that talent and the willingness to develop and maximize that talent within a team based concept that is in doubt.

[Upperclass]

Onyeka won't initially fetch as much in an eventually trade as Wiseman.. but he seems to be the right pick anywhere in the top 5 imo.. looks like a young Dwight Howard to me

[KevinMcreynolds]

I've been watching the 3 minute highlights USC posts on youtube after their games. They hardly show any Okongwu highlights, which is odd because he's averaging 16 a game and getting tons of blocks. In almost every highlight he's standing on the block just trying to get on the offensive glass. They don't seem to run any plays for him except the occasional post up.

[MastermindLV]

Feel like Wiseman fits the most for needs and has the best potential of any player but do you really need an actual center in today’s NBA?

Other than that I think the only thing left for us is to find an Iggy replacement

[Onus]

Feel like Wiseman fits the most for needs and has the best potential of any player but do you really need an actual center in today’s NBA?

Other than that I think the only thing left for us is to find an Iggy replacement

Wiggins is the iguodala replacement. We need a Barnes replacement.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Feel like Wiseman fits the most for needs and has the best potential of any player but do you really need an actual center in today’s NBA?

Other than that I think the only thing left for us is to find an Iggy replacement

he'd be hard to pass up

[Mylie10]

Wiseman solves our center needs and long term star player needs. I'm confident he's the real deal.

So you'd have Chriss and Wiseman as a rotation. Then you'd potentially have Draymond and Looney for any other center minutes.

That then allows for the TPE to be used on a veteran wing.

The MLE could also be a wing of some sort.

I'm cool at point guard with Steph, Bowman, and Poole unless we can upgrade any of them not named Steph.

Could also potentially use a smaller TPE for Spellman if the Timber Wolves would entertain that. Probably cost us one of the second round picks we nabbed. Spellman could be the PF/ C that can shoot. Also defends.

Big TPE potentially for Will Barton.

MLE needs to be a veteran who can shoot and preferably defend as well.

Next season we have the draft pick from the TWolves to line our pockets.

[ClutchUp]

Wiseman solves our center needs and long term star player needs. I'm confident he's the real deal.

So you'd have Chriss and Wiseman as a rotation. Then you'd potentially have Draymond and Looney for any other center minutes.

That then allows for the TPE to be used on a veteran wing.

The MLE could also be a wing of some sort.

I'm cool at point guard with Steph, Bowman, and Poole unless we can upgrade any of them not named Steph.

Could also potentially use a smaller TPE for Spellman if the Timber Wolves would entertain that. Probably cost us one of the second round picks we nabbed. Spellman could be the PF/ C that can shoot. Also defends.

Big TPE potentially for Will Barton.

MLE needs to be a veteran who can shoot and preferably defend as well.

Next season we have the draft pick from the TWolves to line our pockets.

It would be amazing if Myers could find a way to get Barton for the trade exception. Another piece I like on their roster is Torrey Craig.

[Scoots1994]

Wiseman solves our center needs and long term star player needs. I'm confident he's the real deal.

So you'd have Chriss and Wiseman as a rotation. Then you'd potentially have Draymond and Looney for any other center minutes.

That then allows for the TPE to be used on a veteran wing.

The MLE could also be a wing of some sort.

I'm cool at point guard with Steph, Bowman, and Poole unless we can upgrade any of them not named Steph.

Could also potentially use a smaller TPE for Spellman if the Timber Wolves would entertain that. Probably cost us one of the second round picks we nabbed. Spellman could be the PF/ C that can shoot. Also defends.

Big TPE potentially for Will Barton.

MLE needs to be a veteran who can shoot and preferably defend as well.

Next season we have the draft pick from the TWolves to line our pockets.

A bench unit of Bowman, Barton, Lee, Paschall, and Chriss would be interesting, not great defense but they'd score points.

[whatisacenter]

Feel like Wiseman fits the most for needs and has the best potential of any player but do you really need an actual center in today’s NBA?

Other than that I think the only thing left for us is to find an Iggy replacement

in the small sample size that I have actually seen Wiseman play he didn't play like a plodding back to the basket center. I'm high on him but I wish there was more footage to see hm play against college type players to determine what he might be able to do in the NBA.

[clyde21]

Feel like Wiseman fits the most for needs and has the best potential of any player but do you really need an actual center in today’s NBA?

Other than that I think the only thing left for us is to find an Iggy replacement

Wiggins is the iguodala replacement. We need a Barnes replacement.

Wiggins is more of a Barnes replacement than Iggy...Wiggins does nothing that Iggy did for us

[Mylie10]

We could really use what Paul Reed can do defensively. He's long and lean at 6'9". He guards all over the floor. To bad we aren't gonna be in position to grab him.

[freypies]

What do you guys think of trading our first round pick for Jarret Allen + Nets' first round pick (which they have via Philly). It's likely going to be around the ~18th pick. We could probably add a late second rounder or so as well if needed.

At least one of Reed, Green, Nesmith, both Saddiq and Tyler Bey, Lewis should still be in play, and I like all of them.

[Mylie10]

What do you guys think of trading our first round pick for Jarret Allen + Nets' first round pick (which they have via Philly). It's likely going to be around the ~18th pick. We could probably add a late second rounder or so as well if needed.

At least one of Reed, Green, Nesmith, both Saddiq and Tyler Bey, Lewis should still be in play, and I like all of them.

Jarret Allen is in a similar mode to Chriss. A springy power forward playing center. Which is fine, but what we're missing is the big center to match up around the league. He's a nice player, but I wouldn't do your deal.

Wiseman solves our center rotation needs based on length and legit size. If we don't get him, then I'd want us hunting a bigger guy than Allen, who weighs like 220. We need an aircraft carrier.

[Onus]

Feel like Wiseman fits the most for needs and has the best potential of any player but do you really need an actual center in today’s NBA?

Other than that I think the only thing left for us is to find an Iggy replacement

Wiggins is the iguodala replacement. We need a Barnes replacement.

Wiggins is more of a Barnes replacement than Iggy...Wiggins does nothing that Iggy did for us

Defensively he’s much more like iguodala than Barnes in how he guards.

Offensively he can actually pass unlike Barnes, which is something iguodala was great at.

Barnes is more of a 3/4 whereas Wiggins is more of a 2/3 like iguodala.

[clyde21]

Wiggins is the iguodala replacement. We need a Barnes replacement.

Wiggins is more of a Barnes replacement than Iggy...Wiggins does nothing that Iggy did for us

Defensively he’s much more like iguodala than Barnes in how he guards.

Offensively he can actually pass unlike Barnes, which is something iguodala was great at.

Barnes is more of a 3/4 whereas Wiggins is more of a 2/3 like iguodala.

yea, he's more of a 2/3, but in terms of skill set he's way closer to Barnes, he can't handle or defend like Iggy, not even close, doesn't have Iggy BBQ, decision making, passing, creation, and most certainly doesn't have Iggy's hands or motor on defensive end.

honestly, if you're looking for Wiggins to fill the Iggy role, you're gonna be really disappointed...kinda weird that you even said that they are nothing alike.

[clyde21]

What do you guys think of trading our first round pick for Jarret Allen + Nets' first round pick (which they have via Philly). It's likely going to be around the ~18th pick. We could probably add a late second rounder or so as well if needed.

At least one of Reed, Green, Nesmith, both Saddiq and Tyler Bey, Lewis should still be in play, and I like all of them.

Jarret Allen is in a similar mode to Chriss. A springy power forward playing center. Which is fine, but what we're missing is the big center to match up around the league. He's a nice player, but I wouldn't do your deal.

Wiseman solves our center rotation needs based on length and legit size. If we don't get him, then I'd want us hunting a bigger guy than Allen, who weighs like 220. We need an aircraft carrier.

size doesn't mean anything if the 3 level skill isn't there, look at Whiteside, 20/20 guy but it's all empty, useless player really. this isn't the 90s where you you can plug a 7 footer in the middle and call it a day.