WWE Raw Discussion III

Spens1 · Post #1101 » by **Spens1** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 2:54 am

Scott Hall wrote:
Spens1 wrote:Not as cut up about Ricochet but unless its going somewhere i have no idea why you have him lose to Riddick Moss

I read a report yesterday that Meltzer said Vince has completely given up on Ricochet I'm guessing because of
how bad his mic skills are and it could be a Cedric Alexander type burial

Give him a manager then, they have MVP doing nothing, he'd be the perfect manager for him.

Vince seriously has lost it honestly. Things they use to do so well they've gone completely away from, in fact its Heyman's fault as well cause he should know damn well that Ricochet is rubbish on the mic and cover that weakness with a mouthpiece.

iMoreland · Post #1102 » by **iMoreland** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 3:55 am

Ricochet is nothing special

Coach Smiley · Post #1103 » by **Coach Smiley** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 8:41 pm

LLJ wrote:
iMoreland wrote:
Coach Smiley wrote:Has NXT even produced anyone of significance on the main roster? Isn't that supposed to be the whole point of it? Look at all the main event talent OVW produced for them, even FCW to an extent.

Becky
Seth
Roman
KO
Drew
Corbin
Wyatt
Shinsuke

"Significance" is a relative term. If going by your list, then the standards are anyone who's won a title on the main roster could be included. That would mean NXT people are a huge success. But we know there's more to "success" than holding a title or being in a title match or two. Have Shinsuke and KO been "successful"? Yeah they've done some stuff. Are they as big as they should be? You could argue nope.

If going by current top people, then Becky, Seth, Roman and Charlotte are only included.

If going by actual needle movers and people on the cultural level of a Cena, Rock or Austin? Absolutely nobody.

For some reason I equate the Shield guys with FCW but I forgot Seth was the first NXT champion. But still, the list is a reach. Their biggest homegrown star has probably been Enzo? And I don't have high hopes for most of the people on top at NXT now.

improper · Post #1104 » by **improper** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 10:22 pm

iMoreland wrote:Ricochet is nothing special

I don't know. He stood out on a really talented Lucha Underground roster and was pretty clearly their top guy for multiple seasons. He's crazy talented in the ring and sells like a champ.

iMoreland · Post #1105 » by **iMoreland** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 10:43 pm

improper wrote:
iMoreland wrote:Ricochet is nothing special

I don't know. He stood out on a really talented Lucha Underground roster and was pretty clearly their top guy for multiple seasons. He's crazy talented in the ring and sells like a champ.

But has the same personality as Apollo Crews

improper · Post #1106 » by **improper** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 12:27 am

iMoreland wrote:But has the same personality as Apollo Crews

I totally disagree. Ricochet may be a bit bland from a character perspective but he's fantastic at getting you to care about him in the ring. That's something Apollo Crews has never had. He just doesn't make you care in the ring, and he's also terrible at selling.

tugs · Post #1107 » by **tugs** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 12:47 am

Dude wasn't even talking for some time during his LU stint, and he was over. He just needs some character development, which at this moment impossible to wish from WWE

WRau1 · Post #1108 » by **WRau1** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 1:15 am

Coach Smiley wrote:
LLJ wrote:
iMoreland wrote:Becky
Seth
Roman
KO
Drew
Corbin
Wyatt
Shinsuke

"Significance" is a relative term. If going by your list, then the standards are anyone who's won a title on the main roster could be included. That would mean NXT people are a huge success. But we know there's more to "success" than holding a title or being in a title match or two. Have Shinsuke and KO been "successful"? Yeah they've done some stuff. Are they as big as they should be? You could argue nope.

If going by current top people, then Becky, Seth, Roman and Charlotte are only included.

If going by actual needle movers and people on the cultural level of a Cena, Rock or Austin? Absolutely nobody.

For some reason I equate the Shield guys with FCW but I forgot Seth was the first NXT champion. But still, the list is a reach. Their biggest homegrown star has probably been Enzo? And I don't have high hopes for most of the people on top at NXT now.

What? There's been plenty of great homegrown guys/gals that came up through NXT, certainly better than Enzo. And "home-grown" is a loaded term because everyone starts somewhere before moving on to something bigger.

Spens1 · Post #1109 » by **Spens1** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 3:17 am

tugs wrote:Dude wasn't even talking for some time during his LU stint, and he was over. He just needs some character development, which at this moment impossible to wish from WWE

He needs a character of some kind. Even put him under the Sin Cara mask, screw it, he'd probably be the best iteration of that character that they've ever had.

Prince Puma didn't succeed and be the face of Lucha Underground for most of the show's lifespan because he could speak.

LLJ · Post #1110 » by **LLJ** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 4:53 pm

iMoreland wrote:
improper wrote:
iMoreland wrote:Ricochet is nothing special

I don't know. He stood out on a really talented Lucha Underground roster and was pretty clearly their top guy for multiple seasons. He's crazy talented in the ring and sells like a champ.

But has the same personality as Apollo Crews

I'm not the biggest Rico fan, but I can see other ways to present him and they've not exactly given him much more material to work with than standard "happy to be here" babyface.

Writing people off because the WWE has presented them like geeks is very standard WWE fan koolaid drinking. We know guys like KO and Nakamura can look better because we've SEEN them look better before. At some point creative has to take the blame too.

Scott Hall · Post #1111 » by **Scott Hall** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 5:25 pm

New report this morning that Vince isn't high on or happy with Shayna Bazler and isn't happy
she isn't getting the reaction from the audience he wants.

LLJ · Post #1112 » by **LLJ** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 7:55 pm

If they chicken out on Shayna then it's probably gonna be Ronda after all or a triple threat at mania.

Scott Hall · Post #1113 » by **Scott Hall** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 8:26 pm

Well Ronda (and Cain Velasquez) was at Titan Towers in Stamford yesterday

iMoreland · Post #1114 » by **iMoreland** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 10:46 pm

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iMoreland · Post #1115 » by **iMoreland** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:43 pm

Read on Twitter

For everyone complaining about Ricochet's booking, here you go. He's just a "happy to be here" guy.

Post #1116 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:50 am

Smackdown in Detroit has been canceled.

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Scott Hall · Post #1117 » by **Scott Hall** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:22 am

HMFFL wrote:Smackdown in Detroit has been canceled.

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Sounds like it's gonna be broadcast from the performance center

Butch718 · Post #1118 » by **Butch718** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:48 am

They were over a year too early with Ambrose’s hypochondriac gimmick. Probably would have went over well today lol.

Post #1119 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:02 am

Scott Hall wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Smackdown in Detroit has been canceled.

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Sounds like it's gonna be broadcast from the performance center

That's the plan.

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Scott Hall · Post #1120 » by **Scott Hall** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:25 am

HMFFL wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Smackdown in Detroit has been canceled.

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Sounds like it's gonna be broadcast from the performance center
That's the plan.

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Read on Twitter

We should've known better it's gonna take others to over rule defiant Vince