Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

[gambitx777]

I can absolutely agree with that!

But he can be. Plus who says you don't get that in a big athletic rim protector. You also have wall which will help in that department surrounded by shooters with an open driving lane.

Nah we need someone who can get in the paint post up n open it for out shooters, Hachi might be that guy but not yet

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I agree, but just having a big who can work the post when shots not falling can help, he can come off the bench but we need one

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[deneem4]

I can absolutely agree with that!

But he can be. Plus who says you don't get that in a big athletic rim protector. You also have wall which will help in that department surrounded by shooters with an open driving lane.

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I agree, but just having a big who can work the post when shots not falling can help, he can come off the bench but we need one

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any of em we can get in the off-season?

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Hmmm, "Doncic or Jokic?" -- That'd be a nice problem to have!

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We need a (fill in the blank)...

Basketball is not like baking a cake, where you need some of this ingredient & some of that & a little of the other.

Every team can use another good player of any kind. Get another good player, any kind, he helps you win more games.

This is fairly obvious. For example, pick any player on our team, no matter which one. If that guy was meaningfully better, we'd win more games.

Doesn't matter what position the guy plays. If he's better, we're better.

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Of the guys who've played meaningful minutes for us this year, the best have been Beal, Bryant, Brown & Bonga. If you want to foreground scoring, obviously add Bertans -- & that makes 5 B's.

Our problem has been with the rest of the alphabet!

In too few minutes to make a difference, Payton, Mathews & Williams have also been good. Smith has been better than many of us expected as well.

But, that leaves a lot of letters. Filling in the alphabet will be a tough task this off-season.

[nate33]

We really don't need scoring . We need athletic 4 and 5 defenders and you get those in the draft. I'm leaning more and more towards teasing Bryant every day.

Any scoring vet centers we can get in the off season

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Nah we need someone who can get in the paint post up n open it for out shooters, Hachi might be that guy but not yet

What decade do you exist in?

How many successful teams feature a post-up center and an inside-out attack in today's game? It's basically three: Philly with Embiid, Denver with Jokic and LA with Davis (and Lebron when he posts up). It takes a hall-of-fame caliber center to post up effectively these days because the rules discourage posting up in favor of pick-and-roll.

We have a lot of needs on this team and limited resources. Finding a post up center better than Bryant is very, very low on the list of priorities.

[Ruzious]

A cheap young center I would go after in the offseaon is Justin Patton. His story is a lot like Christian Wood's. Like Wood was doing last year, he's playing for Milwaukee's G league team, but they don't own his NBA rights. Actually, he's a bit rawer than Wood offensively, but he's got more defensive potential. He's a bigger body at roughly 7' and 245 lbs. Looking at his per 36 numbers in his 6 games with Wisconsin, he's getting 5.0 blocks and 1.7 steals. He's always had a problem being sloppy with the ball on offense, but he's starting to show the ability to hit 3's. Just 22, he was the 16th pick in the 2017 draft. If he can hit 3's more consistently and cut down on the to's, he's got a great future.

[doclinkin]

What decade do you exist in?

How many successful teams feature a post-up center and an inside-out attack in today's game? It's basically three: Philly with Embiid, Denver with Jokic and LA with Davis (and Lebron when he posts up). It takes a hall-of-fame caliber center to post up effectively these days because the rules discourage posting up in favor of pick-and-roll.

We have a lot of needs on this team and limited resources. Finding a post up center better than Bryant is very, very low on the list of priorities.

However finding a mobile defensive anchor has proven key for championship teams. Bryant isn't that. You need guys who can defend the pick and roll and recover to the paint. They have to either be long rangy athletic and quick or smart about positioning and anticipating the play, reading the off ball play. With or without Bryant we are among the historically worst defenses in the game. I'm curious to see what Bryant looks like with Wall running things, offensively that should be fun, but he's still a minus on defense: doesn't rotate quick enough, doesn't deter shots if we leave him in the paint.

[nate33]

What decade do you exist in?

How many successful teams feature a post-up center and an inside-out attack in today's game? It's basically three: Philly with Embiid, Denver with Jokic and LA with Davis (and Lebron when he posts up). It takes a hall-of-fame caliber center to post up effectively these days because the rules discourage posting up in favor of pick-and-roll.

We have a lot of needs on this team and limited resources. Finding a post up center better than Bryant is very, very low on the list of priorities.

However finding a mobile defensive anchor has proven key for championship teams. Bryant isn't that. You need guys who can defend the pick and roll and recover to the paint. They have to either be long rangy athletic and quick or smart about positioning and anticipating the play, reading the off ball play. With or without Bryant we are among the historically worst defenses in the game. I'm curious to see what Bryant looks like with Wall running things, offensively that should be fun, but he's still a minus on defense: doesn't rotate quick enough, doesn't deter shots if we leave him in the paint.

Oh, I agree completely. I'm grown more and more doubtful in the prospects of Bryant as a full time starter and I think he will ultimately be best as an instant offense backup center. We need a defensive stud at center.

I'm just saying that with Bryant (and Wagner) already on the team, it's insane to go scrounging around for ANOTHER offensive adept center.

[deneem4]

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[deneem4]

We really don't need scoring . We need athletic 4 and 5 defenders and you get those in the draft. I'm leaning more and more towards teasing Bryant every day.

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Nah we need someone who can get in the paint post up n open it for out shooters, Hachi might be that guy but not yet

What decade do you exist in?

How many successful teams feature a post-up center and an inside-out attack in today's game? It's basically three: Philly with Embiid, Denver with Jokic and LA with Davis (and Lebron when he posts up). It takes a hall-of-fame caliber center to post up effectively these days because the rules discourage posting up in favor of pick-and-roll.

We have a lot of needs on this team and limited resources. Finding a post up center better than Bryant is very, very low on the list of priorities.

Zion* edit
Harrel
Giannas
Sabonis
Bam
Milsap...

Tatum?
Westbrook?

I should’ve said post up big...
But I live in a decade where the best teams include a post up player...
The best we have are Hachi Beal wall

[pcbothwel]

A cheap young center I would go after in the offseaon is Justin Patton. His story is a lot like Christian Wood's. Like Wood was doing last year, he's playing for Milwaukee's G league team, but they don't own his NBA rights. Actually, he's a bit rawer than Wood offensively, but he's got more defensive potential. He's a bigger body at roughly 7' and 245 lbs. Looking at his per 36 numbers in his 6 games with Wisconsin, he's getting 5.0 blocks and 1.7 steals. He's always had a problem being sloppy with the ball on offense, but he's starting to show the ability to hit 3's. Just 22, he was the 16th pick in the 2017 draft. If he can hit 3's more consistently and cut down on the to's, he's got a great future.

Ruz... i certainly dont need convincing. I was REALLY high on Patton coming out and while I wasnt right, I dont think im wrong. I'd LOVE to take a shot on him and play him in the AP role next year.

[nate33]

Nah we need someone who can get in the paint post up n open it for out shooters, Hachi might be that guy but not yet

What decade do you exist in?

How many successful teams feature a post-up center and an inside-out attack in today's game? It's basically three: Philly with Embiid, Denver with Jokic and LA with Davis (and Lebron when he posts up). It takes a hall-of-fame caliber center to post up effectively these days because the rules discourage posting up in favor of pick-and-roll.

We have a lot of needs on this team and limited resources. Finding a post up center better than Bryant is very, very low on the list of priorities.

Zion* edit
Harrel
Giannas
Sabonis
Bam
Milsap...

Tatum?
Westbrook?

I should’ve said post up big...
But I live in a decade where the best teams include a post up player...
The best we have are Hachi Beal wall

You are right. All we need to do is add Giannis or Zion and we'll a great team. You should be the GM!

But seriously, Westbrook, Tatum, Millsap and Bam are not post up players. They get less than 10% of their offense in the post and all shoot less than 45%.

Harrell and Sabonis do get some post touches with solid efficiency, but both would be extremely expensive to acquire and would not address our defensive issues.

I'd love to add Bam, but not for his post up ability.

[Ruzious]

A cheap young center I would go after in the offseaon is Justin Patton. His story is a lot like Christian Wood's. Like Wood was doing last year, he's playing for Milwaukee's G league team, but they don't own his NBA rights. Actually, he's a bit rawer than Wood offensively, but he's got more defensive potential. He's a bigger body at roughly 7' and 245 lbs. Looking at his per 36 numbers in his 6 games with Wisconsin, he's getting 5.0 blocks and 1.7 steals. He's always had a problem being sloppy with the ball on offense, but he's starting to show the ability to hit 3's. Just 22, he was the 16th pick in the 2017 draft. If he can hit 3's more consistently and cut down on the to's, he's got a great future.

Ruz... i certainly dont need convincing. I was REALLY high on Patton coming out and while I wasnt right, I dont think im wrong. I'd LOVE to take a shot on him and play him in the AP role next year.

oops - double post.

[Ruzious]

A cheap young center I would go after in the offseaon is Justin Patton. His story is a lot like Christian Wood's. Like Wood was doing last year, he's playing for Milwaukee's G league team, but they don't own his NBA rights. Actually, he's a bit rawer than Wood offensively, but he's got more defensive potential. He's a bigger body at roughly 7' and 245 lbs. Looking at his per 36 numbers in his 6 games with Wisconsin, he's getting 5.0 blocks and 1.7 steals. He's always had a problem being sloppy with the ball on offense, but he's starting to show the ability to hit 3's. Just 22, he was the 16th pick in the 2017 draft. If he can hit 3's more consistently and cut down on the to's, he's got a great future.

Ruz... i certainly dont need convincing. I was REALLY high on Patton coming out and while I wasnt right, I dont think im wrong. I'd LOVE to take a shot on him and play him in the AP role next year.

He's the classic high ceiling/low floor prospect. I think it'll help him playing on Milwaukee's team - with the best record in the G League, and they'll get him in better shape physically - he could use more work in the weight room. No doubt he's a gifted athlete.

[deneem4]

What decade do you exist in?

How many successful teams feature a post-up center and an inside-out attack in today's game? It's basically three: Philly with Embiid, Denver with Jokic and LA with Davis (and Lebron when he posts up). It takes a hall-of-fame caliber center to post up effectively these days because the rules discourage posting up in favor of pick-and-roll.

We have a lot of needs on this team and limited resources. Finding a post up center better than Bryant is very, very low on the list of priorities.

Zion* edit
Harrel
Giannas
Sabonis
Bam
Milsap...

Tatum?
Westbrook?

I should’ve said post up big...
But I live in a decade where the best teams include a post up player...
The best we have are Hachi Beal wall

You are right. All we need to do is add Giannis or Zion and we'll a great team. You should be the GM!

But seriously, Westbrook, Tatum, Millsap and Bam are not post up players. They get less than 10% of their offense in the post and all shoot less than 45%.

Harrell and Sabonis do get some post touches with solid efficiency, but both would be extremely expensive to acquire and would not address our defensive issues.

I'd love to add Bam, but not for his post up ability.

Yea you right we have Hachi

[deneem4]

Brooks a good guy.. but we should move forward with Kenny...

[DCZards]

A cheap young center I would go after in the offseaon is Justin Patton. His story is a lot like Christian Wood's. Like Wood was doing last year, he's playing for Milwaukee's G league team, but they don't own his NBA rights. Actually, he's a bit rawer than Wood offensively, but he's got more defensive potential. He's a bigger body at roughly 7' and 245 lbs. Looking at his per 36 numbers in his 6 games with Wisconsin, he's getting 5.0 blocks and 1.7 steals. He's always had a problem being sloppy with the ball on offense, but he's starting to show the ability to hit 3's. Just 22, he was the 16th pick in the 2017 draft. If he can hit 3's more consistently and cut down on the to's, he's got a great future.

Ruz... i certainly dont need convincing. I was REALLY high on Patton coming out and while I wasnt right, I dont think im wrong. I'd LOVE to take a shot on him and play him in the AP role next year.

I was also a fan of Patton when he played for Creighton that one season. His defense and shotblocking gave my favorite Big East team (G'Town) fits. I thought for sure he'd be a solid NBA big man. Could be that he's one of those late blooming big men.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

A cheap young center I would go after in the offseaon is Justin Patton. His story is a lot like Christian Wood's. Like Wood was doing last year, he's playing for Milwaukee's G league team, but they don't own his NBA rights. Actually, he's a bit rawer than Wood offensively, but he's got more defensive potential. He's a bigger body at roughly 7' and 245 lbs. Looking at his per 36 numbers in his 6 games with Wisconsin, he's getting 5.0 blocks and 1.7 steals. He's always had a problem being sloppy with the ball on offense, but he's starting to show the ability to hit 3's. Just 22, he was the 16th pick in the 2017 draft. If he can hit 3's more consistently and cut down on the to's, he's got a great future.

Hmmm... THAT name sounds familiar.

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Ruzious, you probably recall. I just felt the need to blow my own horn what with all my insecurities.

Good to see he's rounding into form. His injuries set him back a ways.

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I am always happy when you are around & posting, CCJ. A good thing!