Coronavirus

[madvillian]

The biggest thing I'm scared of is the media fearing us into a recession which will have way more of an impact than this flu.

What if over-reacting today leads to a lower impact tomorrow? If people start taking preventative measures, we can lessen the impact. However, if people suggest that things aren't so serious, then behavior doesn't change and the impact could be far worse.

People are already conflating professional advice from Doctor's and Virologists with "media scare mongering".

We are in a scary time when expert opinion is often lost in a mindless sea of disinfo and downright lies.

Wash your hands hourly. Don't attend large public events. If you feel sick, don't go anywhere. Self quarantine. Godspeed to all of us.

[coldfish]

The biggest thing I'm scared of is the media fearing us into a recession which will have way more of an impact than this flu.

What if over-reacting today leads to a lower impact tomorrow? If people start taking preventative measures, we can lessen the impact. However, if people suggest that things aren't so serious, then behavior doesn't change and the impact could be far worse.

People are already conflating professional advice from Doctor's and Virologists with "media scare mongering".

We are in a scary time when expert opinion is often lost in a mindless sea of disinfo and downright lies.

Wash your hands hourly. Don't attend large public events. If you feel sick, don't go anywhere. Self quarantine. Godspeed to all of us.

There are a lot of people who don't have switches that go halfway. They either go full on or full off. Beyond that, there are a significant number of big unknowns in this. Its a tough situation to navigate for people trying to educate the masses.

[moorhosj]

There are a lot of people who don't have switches that go halfway. They either go full on or full off. Beyond that, there are a significant number of big unknowns in this. Its a tough situation to navigate for people trying to educate the masses.

Yes, it is a time where a unified, coherent message from Government really helps. Unfortunately, we aren't quite getting that as it seems the focus is far more on stock market impact than actual education and virus prevention.

[dice]

There are a lot of people who don't have switches that go halfway. They either go full on or full off. Beyond that, there are a significant number of big unknowns in this. Its a tough situation to navigate for people trying to educate the masses.

Yes, it is a time where a unified, coherent message from Government really helps. Unfortunately, we aren't quite getting that as it seems the focus is far more on stock market impact than actual education and virus prevention.

which ironically is unlikely to help the stock market effect. for example, downplaying the virus along with botching the initial testing phase is going to result in an inevitable spike in numbers that will make it seem that there has been a sudden proliferation, when in reality there has been a steady growth in cases that have not yet been detected

the other irony is that the president is a notorious germophobe. out of one side of his mouth he has said the following:

-that the seriousness of the problem is a hoax being ginned up by the "liberal media" to hurt his re-election campaign
-that it will go away as the weather warms "like a miracle"
-that he has a "hunch" that the health community's estimate of 3-4% death rate is way off and that the number is actually well under 1%
-that infected individuals should not worry about it and go to work

meanwhile, at a televised meeting with health experts the other day, one of them noted that we all should avoid touching our faces. trump replied with "i haven't touched my face in weeks. i miss it." and then today he initially said that he wasn't going to attend a scheduled visit with the CDC because it was suspected that someone there might have the virus (person tested negative). and a republican clown congressman showed up to work yesterday wearing a gasmask (which somehow wasn't the worst part of his outfit), saying that lawmakers are more likely than anyone else to contract the virus. trump is terrified for his own health, and i'd wager that he'll be looking for any excuse he can find to get the hell out of washington

[AKfanatic]

What are the odds that there isn’t a single person at the Forum watching the Lakers vs the Bucks carrying the virus?......

[dice]

What are the odds that there isn’t a single person at the Forum watching the Lakers vs the Bucks carrying the virus?......

well...

estimates suggest that infection totals in seattle area are about 10x as much as the official count right now. assuming that holds true for LA as well...

there are 13 confirmed cases in LA. so maybe there are 130 actual cases. metro population is 13 million, so that's 1 in 100K infected

so it's unlikely that anyone at the game is infected

on the other hand, there's a corona, CA outside of LA

[TheStig]

What are the odds that there isn’t a single person at the Forum watching the Lakers vs the Bucks carrying the virus?......

well...

estimates suggest that infection totals in seattle area are about 10x as much as the official count right now. assuming that holds true for LA as well...

there are 13 confirmed cases in LA. so maybe there are 130 actual cases. metro population is 13 million, so that's 1 in 100K infected

so it's unlikely that anyone at the game is infected

on the other hand, there's a corona, CA outside of LA

By the statistics, you're correct but considering it's filled with affluent people who travel for business and personal, it's likely a higher odds. And just because there are confirmed cases, doesn't mean that there are not even more people who just haven't shown symptoms. We don't have enough test kits to actually test people to get real numbers. They just found 21 on that latest cruise alone.

[dice]

What are the odds that there isn’t a single person at the Forum watching the Lakers vs the Bucks carrying the virus?......

well...

estimates suggest that infection totals in seattle area are about 10x as much as the official count right now. assuming that holds true for LA as well...

there are 13 confirmed cases in LA. so maybe there are 130 actual cases. metro population is 13 million, so that's 1 in 100K infected

so it's unlikely that anyone at the game is infected

on the other hand, there's a corona, CA outside of LA

By the statistics, you're correct but considering it's filled with affluent people who travel for business and personal, it's likely a higher odds. And just because there are confirmed cases, doesn't mean that there are not even more people who just haven't shown symptoms. We don't have enough test kits to actually test people to get real numbers. They just found 21 on that latest cruise alone.

my crude estimate included those who haven't shown symptoms or been tested. but there probably are more international travelers per capita in LA vs seattle, particularly those wealthy enough to attend lakers games on a regular basis

[Michael Jackson]

So I am flying out to AZ today because my Father is sick. Anyway I was hustling back to Chicago to work the Ace Hardware show at McCormick next week. Just got the email they cancelled the show. I am I. The middle of trade show season this will be interesting if it is a trend. This one is an international show so maybe that has something to do with it.., maybe.

They cancelled the home show for next week. That is a huge show in McCormik place too.

IT is pretty legit to be stopping these shows imho. Now I don’t think it is as bad of a panic as some make it out to be but that is a pretty major move.

[MalagaBulls]

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[Ccwatercraft]

My wife's side has planned this family trip where we're all going to England, Jordan, Israel, and Qatar. Crazy trip, was really excited to go about it, but now I seem to be the only one who thinks this is a bad idea, which I'm finding very stressful. It'd be one thing if it was just my wife and I, but it's hard with my in-laws and no one else seems to be very informed about what's going on. I'm not even that worried about getting the virus, I'm just worried about getting stranded somewhere other than home.

well, it was nice knowing you

we have 3 euro trips planned this summer/fall, one was a cruise, but I have until july to get a full refund. I think the cruise is a definite no go.

Thursday, I jokingly suggested a long weekend to the Denver area in two weeks and the spouse was all over that and booking a mountian view room. I need to keep my mouth shut.

we've had a local death already in my county, so it's getting more real every day.

[bulls_troy]

Unless you are over 70 or have a compromised immune system, likelihood is if you do get the virus, you will be fine

[chitowndish]

I guess where I am with this thing is there is a lot of misinformation on both sides either trying to paint this as a non issue or total panic but I understand the need to keep people calm. What this breaks down to in my mind is this thing is more contagious than the flu, can be transmitted without symptoms and lasts longer than the flu so if this gets out which it looks like it has it's going to go through the human population like butter. Washing your hands isn't going to do much (sorry that's great advice in general but it isn't going to prevent this) the human race has never been able to prevent the flu from spreading and we aren't going to contain something that is far more contagious in about every single way a disease can be contagious if it starts to become widespread which is exactly what seems to be happening. Also I had the flu recently and the idea that we can just quarantine ourselves until it's over I don't think people understand how hard that would really be. I just wanted to get out after 2 weeks but this would probably take months and the minute you go out to get your mail or anything you've broken your quarantine. Part time quarantine doesn't do much and I don't think people could really handle real quarantine for the amount of time this is going to take and I don't think I could. So I kind of line up with the go out there and live your life group but I may take a different way to get there. I wouldn't be keen on leaving the country either though so I agree there are some limits people have to think about.

What it boils down to is if you have serious symptoms you need to go in and get help quickly and that is what can knock down the mortality rate to reasonable levels but if people don't get treatment that serious rate starts to become the mortality rate. This means the important thing in my mind is if you get serious symptoms you have to go in quickly and if you do not have serious symptoms you have to stay out of the healthcare system so the people that need to get help can get it. A thermometer and using it is probably a more important investment than a face mask. The worst case scenario is everyone makes a run on the healthcare system clogging it up so that 10-20% of serIous cases can't get the help they need and that starts to drag up the mortality rate. This is why I understand the sentiment to just keep people calm that is probably the most important thing here. Also the government needs to be looking at that serious case % and multiplying it by the total US population and making sure we have enough drugs and beds + a percentage that allows for inefficiency in the system and then we also need strong and clear communication stating that if you don't have serious symptoms stay out of the system. This is the part that most concerns me if this goes south this whole problem gets way worse and I don't see any evidence of our leadership doing these things.

Put that all together and it may be better to be sick at the beginning of this thing when there are treatment options than at the end after a potential panic sets in. I don't want to give people medical advice though this is just my general and personal read on the situation, if you are really careful about staying home and being careful about how you bring things into your home and meticulous and consistent with hygiene you can probably avoid things but that is going to be a significant effort that isn't easy. If you have elderly people in your life that you are trying to protect that kind of thing makes more sense. We really just have to assess our current situations and see what the best response is. One other thing I'd say is again YMMV but I did oil pulling during my flu and it really seemed to help (https://www.webmd.com/oral-health/features/oil-pulling) so worst case maybe that helps out a bit.

[D1ckeyS1mpkins]

+1 (though I didn't pull out in November)

The biggest thing I'm scared of is the media fearing us into a recession which will have way more of an impact than this flu.

Not sure if you mean the media will scare people into suppressing stock price or if you mean the media will scare people into changing behavior so much that there will be a real recession.

The second thing is happening for sure right now. Whether that fear is overblown or not is obviously up for debate, but people are absolutely changing behaviors in ways that are costing businesses huge amounts of money. Supply chain disruptions are doing the same.

The second. We’ll find out in the next quarter or so.

[D1ckeyS1mpkins]

The biggest thing I'm scared of is the media fearing us into a recession which will have way more of an impact than this flu.

What if over-reacting today leads to a lower impact tomorrow? If people start taking preventative measures, we can lessen the impact. However, if people suggest that things aren't so serious, then behavior doesn't change and the impact could be far worse.

That would be great. We should take it seriously. Hopefully these past few weeks will have a lasting impact on all of our behaviors moving forward beyond this specific epidemic.

Fear and chaos drive viewership and clicks. If things become exponentially better because of our collective better hygiene, I wouldn’t expect weeks worth of coverage encouraging everyone to go spend their money on travel. We’ll be covering the next tragedy instead.

And by that point, it may be too late for the global economy.

[AKfanatic]

What are the odds that there isn’t a single person at the Forum watching the Lakers vs the Bucks carrying the virus?......

well...

estimates suggest that infection totals in seattle area are about 10x as much as the official count right now. assuming that holds true for LA as well...

there are 13 confirmed cases in LA. so maybe there are 130 actual cases. metro population is 13 million, so that's 1 in 100K infected

so it's unlikely that anyone at the game is infected

on the other hand, there's a corona, CA outside of LA

By the statistics, you're correct but considering it's filled with affluent people who travel for business and personal, it's likely a higher odds. And just because there are confirmed cases, doesn't mean that there are not even more people who just haven't shown symptoms. We don't have enough test kits to actually test people to get real numbers. They just found 21 on that latest cruise alone.

They found 21 after testing only 46 on a cruise ship with well over 1000 people.

Of course a cruise ship is the last place I’d want to be. The infection will spread like wildfire for those “quarantined” on ships.

[P.C.]

This is huge!!!

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The Bulls were already heading in that direction this season.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

things that didn't kill me:
sars
h1n1
zika
ebola
dengue fever
measles
ebola again

things that probably won't kill me:
coronavirus

more than becoming sick with the coronavirus, i'm concerned about a friend who's been doing phd research in chengdu and seemingly isn't allowed to come home to the usa.

[TheStig]

This is huge!!!

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The Bulls were already heading in that direction this season.

Boylen, the key to preventing the coronavirus in the UC!

[Jcool0]

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