2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1

Negrodamus · Post #341 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Mar 7, 2020 11:35 pm

I think Mason Jones is Shake Milton with more lateral quickness and a better looking jumpshot, but less length. Could be a legitimate scorer at the next level.

Negrodamus · Post #342 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 3:41 pm

I'm really coming around at Mason Jones being our pick. Not many can finish, get to the free throw line, and score at an elite rate like he has been doing. While his 3FG% is down a little, he's also assisted on just under half of his shots. >2 STL%, >20 AST%, 80+ FT%. He makes sense.

Also gaining momentum has been Patrick Williams at FSU. I believe he's a raw talent, but could be a legitimate 2 way player with upside as a scorer.

Kobblehead · Post #343 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 3:54 pm

Jones will likely be available in the 2nd round. That seems to be where the older SG types with his skillset have been going in recent years.

Negrodamus · Post #344 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 4:10 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Jones will likely be available in the 2nd round. That seems to be where the older SG types with his skillset have been going in recent years.

Probably. He's currently in that CJ McCollum range of stats, but playing against a much more difficult schedule. I'd probably grade him a first round talent tbh.

Kobblehead · Post #345 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 7:05 pm

While Jones is a very good creator, he's not quite the ace creator wanted to compensate for his less than stellar defense. Matt Bradley, for instance, is an elite shotcreater to make up for him being a defensive zero.

I'd prefer Elleby and Nesmith over Jones with that late 1st in we're talking about similar-sized wings. Elleby, in particular, appears to be an elite team defender.

Negrodamus · Post #346 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 7:34 pm

Elleby is shooting sub 40% FG. The only thing encouraging about his offense is that he's an 80% FT shooter.

I'm curious, what make Matt Bradley an ace shot creator over Jones when pretty much the majority of Jones's shots are unassisted?

Kobblehead · Post #347 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm

I'm encouraged that Elleby can create at all, being a defensive player. I think defenders that can create are automatically potential star players at the next level. It feels like we're getting by on everyone that we'd even be in position to land a guy that usually goes at the top of the draft.

I think Bradley's handle is tighter and he's a more sudden mover. He creates space in an instant.

Negrodamus · Post #348 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:49 am

I don't know, I'm watching Jones right now and he looks like an elite combo guard role player. Might lack athleticism but has elite intangibles and an excellent understanding of angles.

Slacktard · Post #349 » by **Slacktard** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:52 pm

If there were no more reg season gamds and the NBA either goes directly into the playoffs or has no playoffs.

Does the OKC pick go to us? They are #22/#21(Houston has same record)

Pick coveys if they are not 1-20. Would there be a grievance due to season not finishing?

Post #350 » by **Foshan** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:28 am

Slacktard wrote:If there were no more reg season gamds and the NBA either goes directly into the playoffs or has no playoffs.

Does the OKC pick go to us? They are #22/#21(Houston has same record)

Pick coveys if they are not 1-20. Would there be a grievance due to season not finishing?

Good question. I think there would be a lot of grievances if the season doesn't finish

:) I would think it would go to us.

Eyeamok · Post #351 » by **Eyeamok** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:27 pm

Since there will not be a tournament this year. A lot of players who may have had a coming out party at the tournament will be evaluated solely on what they have done during the season. Which means a lot of good players could fall. 76ers scouting department better put things in overdrive and come up with a great pick.

Negrodamus · Post #352 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:26 pm

I think I have a draft analysis problem, I like the former chunky guys: Mason Jones, Myles Powell, Caleb Swanigan, Jordan Adams...

They are/were all so versatile, but pretty weak in verticality. I'm still team Jones/Powell as they are some of the most elite scorers in college basketball this past year.

No-Man · Post #353 » by **No-Man** » Thu Apr 2, 2020 10:37 am

I think at the moment Nico Mannion or Kira Lewis would be my fav for you guys of the possible available ones if you keep the OKC pick

Nico makes a ton of sense

ProcessDoctor · Post #354 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Apr 8, 2020 5:31 pm

Hope everyone's staying safe/ok.

Looks like we might get the OKC pick after all! Keep or trade?

Negrodamus · Post #355 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:39 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Hope everyone's staying safe/ok.

Looks like we might get the OKC pick after all! Keep or trade?

I'd keep, but only because there are a lot of options at that spot that I really like. This draft overall is weak, but I'm finding more and more guys that I'm intrigued by that will be later in the draft. This is definitely not the draft to have a lottery pick in my opinion. Sure, there's a chance some of the prospects could blow up, but if I left this draft having spent a top ten pick on Obi Toppin, I'd be very disappointed.

Some guys that are pulling me in right now are Saben Lee, Malik Fitts, and Mason Jones. I feel like I'm putting a stronger emphasis on getting to the line compared to years past.

Malik Fitts is one that I've been overlooking for a while now. Has a lot of the things I'm looking for in a prospect: steals, iso scoring, shooting profile, strength + athleticism. The question is if he's a tweener or if he can actually play meaningful minutes at the 3. Seems he has the handle to pull it off. He also was essentially a non-passer.

Watch on YouTube

He feels like another Jarrell Brantley from last draft. Brantley might not jump off the page to anyone on here, but in his first year stashed for Utah, he was one of the most productive players in the G-League and continued showing an incredible all around game. I think we'll start seeing him more next year.

ProcessDoctor · Post #356 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:29 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Hope everyone's staying safe/ok.

Looks like we might get the OKC pick after all! Keep or trade?

I'd keep, but only because there are a lot of options at that spot that I really like. This draft overall is weak, but I'm finding more and more guys that I'm intrigued by that will be later in the draft. This is definitely not the draft to have a lottery pick in my opinion. Sure, there's a chance some of the prospects could blow up, but if I left this draft having spent a top ten pick on Obi Toppin, I'd be very disappointed.

Some guys that are pulling me in right now are Saben Lee, Malik Fitts, and Mason Jones. I feel like I'm putting a stronger emphasis on getting to the line compared to years past.

Malik Fitts is one that I've been overlooking for a while now. Has a lot of the things I'm looking for in a prospect: steals, iso scoring, shooting profile, strength + athleticism. The question is if he's a tweener or if he can actually play meaningful minutes at the 3. Seems he has the handle to pull it off. He also was essentially a non-passer.

Watch on YouTube

He feels like another Jarrell Brantley from last draft. Brantley might not jump off the page to anyone on here, but in his first year stashed for Utah, he was one of the most productive players in the G-League and continued showing an incredible all around game. I think we'll start seeing him more next year.

Are any of those guys projected to go in the 20-24 range?

If the right trade target is available, I'm tempted to use this pick and other assets that way. However, if there are prospects that can help us win now or have the upside to become a 3rd star then I'm all for keeping the pick.

Negrodamus · Post #357 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:08 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Hope everyone's staying safe/ok.

Looks like we might get the OKC pick after all! Keep or trade?

I'd keep, but only because there are a lot of options at that spot that I really like. This draft overall is weak, but I'm finding more and more guys that I'm intrigued by that will be later in the draft. This is definitely not the draft to have a lottery pick in my opinion. Sure, there's a chance some of the prospects could blow up, but if I left this draft having spent a top ten pick on Obi Toppin, I'd be very disappointed.

Some guys that are pulling me in right now are Saben Lee, Malik Fitts, and Mason Jones. I feel like I'm putting a stronger emphasis on getting to the line compared to years past.

Malik Fitts is one that I've been overlooking for a while now. Has a lot of the things I'm looking for in a prospect: steals, iso scoring, shooting profile, strength + athleticism. The question is if he's a tweener or if he can actually play meaningful minutes at the 3. Seems he has the handle to pull it off. He also was essentially a non-passer.

Watch on YouTube

He feels like another Jarrell Brantley from last draft. Brantley might not jump off the page to anyone on here, but in his first year stashed for Utah, he was one of the most productive players in the G-League and continued showing an incredible all around game. I think we'll start seeing him more next year.

Are any of those guys projected to go in the 20-24 range?

If the right trade target is available, I'm tempted to use this pick and other assets that way. However, if there are prospects that can help us win now or have the upside to become a 3rd star then I'm all for keeping the pick.

They aren't projected at that range, but it's also hard to project who would go up the board after a combine. I imagine Saben Lee and Fitts would have solid length and athleticism numbers which could intrigue. I think Jones would probably fall after strength and athleticism testing.

I do think any of the aforementioned players could help now though.

Negrodamus · Post #358 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:28 pm

Watch on YouTube

This is my favorite Saben Lee game to evaluate what he can do. Plays basically the Dwyane Wade combo guard role on Marquette to Travis Diener as the PG. Has an absolute facial dunk on an LSU player in the second half. Closes out the game with some serious moves inside the paint. He has a slight hitch in his jumper which I think can be fixed (although it's hard to project those kind of things). He is one of the best guards in the country at finishing inside the paint:

According to Synergy, Lee ranks in the 92nd percentile on non post-up attempts around the basket and is shooting 68.6% on such attempts.

https://www.professionalbasketballcombine.com/news/pbc-film-room-friday-rim-finishing

Having a guard that can actually penetrate into the defense and finish/draw fouls is something that we are desperately missing on this team.

Kobblehead · Post #359 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:22 pm

I like quite a few of the Gs in the SEC.

Starters:
- Dru Smith
- Skyler Mays
- Ashton Hagans

Bench Scorers or offensive-leaning starters:
- Tyrese Maxey
- Kira Lewis
- Samir Doughty

I would love to get some combination of these guys with 1st round, 2nd round, UDFA signings.

And then obviously there's the swing G/F types like Aaron Nesmith, Mason Jones, Isaac Okoro, etc that would be good additions/fits, too.

Kobblehead · Post #360 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:13 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Malik Fitts is one that I've been overlooking for a while now.

Seems he has the handle to pull it off.

Being a tall 230 pounder and having handle automatically puts him in rare air.

If I had to guess, he probably doesn't ingratiate himself well to teammates and coaches with his passing and defensive metrics, though.

However, that individual ability does makes him a fascinating prospect.