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Re: Celtics General Regular Season Thread 2019-20, Pt1: aka, Team "Fresh Start" 

Post#901 » by steefP2 » Thu Mar 5, 2020 1:50 pm

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Bleeding Green wrote:He's definitely going to be better than Wanamaker and I'm probably the biggest Wanamaker homer on this board. I think he takes Wanamaker's place next year for sure, unless Brad comes back at the vet minimum (and even then I think I'd rather just roll the dice on Waters). I expect a 3-4 year contract for Waters sometime during the offseason. His shot hasn't really fallen yet, but he's played like 100 minutes so it's not a big concern for me because everything else looks great. He looks like the best player on the floor every time I catch a Red Claws game.



I hear you on all these points but I’m worried about his size. He plays with great effort and smarts on D but dude is tiny and that can really be a factor. Wannamaker isn’t dynamic but is a legit 6-3 or 6-4 who’s built pretty wide. Gives our bench a lot of switch ability. I dunno, I like Waters but he’s gonna have to prove that 15 min a night it him as backup point is feasible as a defensive unit for our bench imo


I agree Wanamaker has size, but he’s just been terrible off the bench lately. So frustrating to watch. Plus Waters is a traditional point guard that can shoot, and make plays given the chance. He was voted SEC defensive player of the year, so i know he can play D despite his size.



I disagree wannamaker has been terrible lately. He’s had a **** stretch for a bit but he’s has a good season imo. And yeah Waters was dpoy in the sec but all that proves to me that his size wasn’t a problem in college. I know the kid knows how to play d, the questions is wether his size renders that moot in the NBA. But yeah don’t wanna be too contrarian, i want him to out perform Wannamaker obviously.
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Re: Celtics General Regular Season Thread 2019-20, Pt1: aka, Team "Fresh Start" 

Post#902 » by cloverleaf » Thu Mar 5, 2020 5:55 pm

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I hear you on all these points but I’m worried about his size. He plays with great effort and smarts on D but dude is tiny and that can really be a factor. Wannamaker isn’t dynamic but is a legit 6-3 or 6-4 who’s built pretty wide. Gives our bench a lot of switch ability. I dunno, I like Waters but he’s gonna have to prove that 15 min a night it him as backup point is feasible as a defensive unit for our bench imo


I agree Wanamaker has size, but he’s just been terrible off the bench lately. So frustrating to watch. Plus Waters is a traditional point guard that can shoot, and make plays given the chance. He was voted SEC defensive player of the year, so i know he can play D despite his size.



I disagree wannamaker has been terrible lately. He’s had a **** stretch for a bit but he’s has a good season imo. And yeah Waters was dpoy in the sec but all that proves to me that his size wasn’t a problem in college. I know the kid knows how to play d, the questions is wether his size renders that moot in the NBA. But yeah don’t wanna be too contrarian, i want him to out perform Wannamaker obviously.


The issue with Waters, as Danny IIRC said, is that they already have one undersized player at his position, the vet starter and AS Kemba. But he's right there ready to come up if Kemba is out for a few games or, yikes, the season.
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Re: Celtics General Regular Season Thread 2019-20, Pt1: aka, Team "Fresh Start" 

Post#903 » by cloverleaf » Thu Mar 5, 2020 7:31 pm

I think last night might have been the last straw for Javonte. He blew a couple of fundamental defensive assignments and got sat right down. Meanwhile, his on/off +/- for the season is an astounding -15.3. Almost twice as bad as the next guy in Vinny at -8.8. They are also the only two C's with a minus on-court differential. With Rob looking good, I think either could well be replaced for a vet, though at a price re: contracts.

Update: Oops, sorry, I just looked again and I slandered Javonte. That worst figure belongs to Carsen. (Who's clearly not getting much run from Brad either.) Anyway, the D issue in my mind still stood out last night. I have more hope in Romeo holding together than either Javonte or Carsen.
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Post#904 » by Triple7 » Fri Mar 6, 2020 5:18 am

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I hear you on all these points but I’m worried about his size. He plays with great effort and smarts on D but dude is tiny and that can really be a factor. Wannamaker isn’t dynamic but is a legit 6-3 or 6-4 who’s built pretty wide. Gives our bench a lot of switch ability. I dunno, I like Waters but he’s gonna have to prove that 15 min a night it him as backup point is feasible as a defensive unit for our bench imo


I agree Wanamaker has size, but he’s just been terrible off the bench lately. So frustrating to watch. Plus Waters is a traditional point guard that can shoot, and make plays given the chance. He was voted SEC defensive player of the year, so i know he can play D despite his size.



I disagree wannamaker has been terrible lately. He’s had a **** stretch for a bit but he’s has a good season imo. And yeah Waters was dpoy in the sec but all that proves to me that his size wasn’t a problem in college. I know the kid knows how to play d, the questions is wether his size renders that moot in the NBA. But yeah don’t wanna be too contrarian, i want him to out perform Wannamaker obviously.


That’s why i said ‘lately’, because brad had been steady off the bench for most of the season. But ‘lately’ he’s been unplayable. For a 3rd string pg, he’s pretty decent. I just think waters could have been better suited to run an offense, if given the minutes. Just wished all the minutes given to carsen early on, was given to waters instead.
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Post#906 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Mar 6, 2020 1:04 pm

Among 6'3" and under players in NBA history, 500+ made threes, 600+ steals before turning 26:

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Marcus Smart's career TS% upon turning 26: 50.0%
Baron Davis's career TS% upon turning 26: 50.1%

In Celtics franchise history, only Antoine Walker and Paul Pierce have reached those thresholds before turning 26.

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Post#909 » by RB34 » Fri Mar 6, 2020 10:08 pm

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Post#910 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Mar 7, 2020 8:12 pm

So I guess his hamstring is good enough to do the Sloan Conference but he couldn't play and help us win against the Jazz. SMH.

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Post#912 » by jmr07019 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 1:54 pm

Won a basketball signed by the whole team last night! Pumped to get Tatum’s sig while he’s still 19!
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Post#914 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Mar 9, 2020 7:15 am

That's actually pretty impressive to be up 16 and lose three times in a row.
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Bleeding Green wrote:That's actually pretty impressive to be up 16 and lose three times in a row.


At least we aren't suffering from slow starts.
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Post#916 » by cloverleaf » Mon Mar 9, 2020 2:37 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Among 6'3" and under players in NBA history, 500+ made threes, 600+ steals before turning 26:

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Marcus Smart's career TS% upon turning 26: 50.0%
Baron Davis's career TS% upon turning 26: 50.1%

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Of course, in Celtics history there was no 3, then fewer 3s, and also fewer players entering the league so young. And Davis much, much more of an assists man.

But yeah, Smart in his 6th year of big minutes already, always a D player, but the last 2 years a legit 3&D combo guard/wing.

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Post#918 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Mar 9, 2020 3:13 pm

The **** about this season has been losing sooo many close games and not being able to have our starters for 20 games straight... I like our chances but we need 2 or 3 and we need to be healthy...
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Post#919 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Mar 9, 2020 4:09 pm

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Bleeding Green wrote:That's actually pretty impressive to be up 16 and lose three times in a row.


At least we aren't suffering from slow starts.

It seemed like just yesterday where every first quarter had me pulling my **** hair out. Now it's the fourth quarter. Progress.
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Post#920 » by 31to6 » Mon Mar 9, 2020 8:23 pm

Team "Fresh Start" -- true -- how will they finish?
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