Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[Bensational]

and he is 6'6 with a 6'10 winspan and not a liability on defense. If Herro was a lottery pick, why Nesmith is projected to go outside ? Becouse of Herro pull up shooting ? I dont quite get it, i have him in the lottery on my big board.

I'm sure he will start climbing up the draft board soon. He is too efficient right now not to be in the lottery already.

he got injured in January and out for the season. that doesnt usually help climbing the draft boards

Feels very opportunistic that he has everything we need and is in a position to slide to us.

If we can get one of him or Vassel, I'll be very excited about that draft pick.

[basketballRob]

Hayes is from Lakeland and last year he played on the same team in Germany as Isaiah Briscoe, so we shouldn't be lacking in insider detail when scouting this kid. He prob wont fall to our draft slot, but in the event they're considering going up for him, they should be a little ahead of the curve on him as a person and player.

Just read that Briscoe now moved to Poland from 1 Feb. Hmm.

https://sportando.basketball/en/isaiah-briscoe-signs-with-king-szczecin/

Yeah, but he'll have spent a year training and playing the same position as Hayes. He'll know the kids game inside and out. I can't believe the Magic won't leverage that.

I was reading Hayes says he learned American style of basketball from the playgrounds in Orlando.

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[jezzerinho]

There's a fair bit of similarity between him and Fultz. Unselfish, good vision, great passer, gets into the paint and dishes, tight handle, efficient 2pt jumper. Fultz has more on D, better at the rim.

Great thing about the Europe based players is they're already playing grown men, not having a cushy life handed to them, not in the circus of agents and handlers and coaches trying to milk something before they disappear after a single year...

Most will arrive in the NBA better prepared. Only a few are as skilled as the NCAA prospects, but the few that are...

[p0peye]

There's a fair bit of similarity between him and Fultz. Unselfish, good vision, great passer, gets into the paint and dishes, tight handle, efficient 2pt jumper. Fultz has more on D, better at the rim.

Great thing about the Europe based players is they're already playing grown men, not having a cushy life handed to them, not in the circus of agents and handlers and coaches trying to milk something before they disappear after a single year...

Most will arrive in the NBA better prepared. Only a few are as skilled as the NCAA prospects, but the few that are...

You probably mean only a few are athletically gifted as NCAA prospects? Generally, european players are more fundamentally sound players than US peers.

[Def Swami]

Tankathon updated their mocks. They have us taking RJ Hampton at #15. Devin Vassell going #16. Both of these players couldn't be more different in their games and upside, but I could get behind taking either of them. Vassell is obviously more proven and older. Hampton had so much hyper out of high school, but seems to have struggled a lot in Australia. But he's so young and his theoretical skillset as a big playmaker is interesting. He's more of a "swing for the fences"/"high risk, high reward" pick. Sort of like Michael Porter Jr. a couple years ago. Vassell feels like a Weltman/Hammond pick though. Good 3 point shooter and good defender. Probably limited upside, but that guy will probably stick in the league for 10+ years. And we could really use the shooting and defense in the back court.

[cedric76]

Vassell has weham written all over him

[Def Swami]

Vassell is the shooting guard version of Chuma Okeke

[Magic#1]

Tankathon updated their mocks. They have us taking RJ Hampton at #15. Devin Vassell going #16. Both of these players couldn't be more different in their games and upside, but I could get behind taking either of them. Vassell is obviously more proven and older. Hampton had so much hyper out of high school, but seems to have struggled a lot in Australia. But he's so young and his theoretical skillset as a big playmaker is interesting. He's more of a "swing for the fences"/"high risk, high reward" pick. Sort of like Michael Porter Jr. a couple years ago. Vassell feels like a Weltman/Hammond pick though. Good 3 point shooter and good defender. Probably limited upside, but that guy will probably stick in the league for 10+ years. And we could really use the shooting and defense in the back court.

If both of those guys are available and we pass on both, then we made a mistake. Maybe you could consider a guy like Maxey instead, but Vassell and Hampton would both be great additions for how this team is structured.

[VFX]

Tankathon updated their mocks. They have us taking RJ Hampton at #15. Devin Vassell going #16. Both of these players couldn't be more different in their games and upside, but I could get behind taking either of them. Vassell is obviously more proven and older. Hampton had so much hyper out of high school, but seems to have struggled a lot in Australia. But he's so young and his theoretical skillset as a big playmaker is interesting. He's more of a "swing for the fences"/"high risk, high reward" pick. Sort of like Michael Porter Jr. a couple years ago. Vassell feels like a Weltman/Hammond pick though. Good 3 point shooter and good defender. Probably limited upside, but that guy will probably stick in the league for 10+ years. And we could really use the shooting and defense in the back court.

I’d be ok with either of these guys. Vassell is probably closer to a WeHam guy.

Hampton is going to be better at creating offense.
Vassell is going to be the better 3-D guy.

[PrimeThyme]

Vassell is the shooting guard version of Chuma Okeke

I suppose they have a similar skill set? The key difference though is Vassell actually moves like a 2 guard and will play that position at the next level. Okeke moves like a 4 imo, and we already have Isaac/AG. That was always my issue with the pick. Even if people want to move on from AG I don't see how Okeke would be the longterm answer considering he would present the same problems that the Isaac/AG pairing did except I don't think Okeke is going to be the same type of versatile defender who can guard all 4 positions like AG can. Plus he doesn't have the playmaking capabilities.

[VFX]

Vassell is the shooting guard version of Chuma Okeke

I suppose they have a similar skill set? The key difference though is Vassell actually moves like a 2 guard and will play that position at the next level. Okeke moves like a 4 imo, and we already have Isaac/AG. That was always my issue with the pick. Even if people want to move on from AG I don't see how Okeke would be the longterm answer considering he would present the same problems that the Isaac/AG pairing did except I don't think Okeke is going to be the same type of versatile defender who can guard all 4 positions like AG can. Plus he doesn't have the playmaking capabilities.

What’s becoming more and more apparent is that having less capable reliable shooting on the floor is a bad plan. Almost all seriously contending teams have 1 or less of the inefficient guys in their starting lineup.

If this FO is sold on JI, Fultz, and Vuc being on the team for the foreseeable future they are going to need to find 2-3 guys that can actually hit shots, create offense, and stretch the floor. AG does none of those things very effectively, and Okeke might be able to at least do one of those things well. Whether that’s defending the 3/4 is beside the point.

If we believe Isaac is a PF (I do), he needs to either develop a reliable shot or he needs to be surrounded by offense. AG isn’t that guy.

[Def Swami]

Vassell is the shooting guard version of Chuma Okeke

I suppose they have a similar skill set? The key difference though is Vassell actually moves like a 2 guard and will play that position at the next level. Okeke moves like a 4 imo, and we already have Isaac/AG. That was always my issue with the pick. Even if people want to move on from AG I don't see how Okeke would be the longterm answer considering he would present the same problems that the Isaac/AG pairing did except I don't think Okeke is going to be the same type of versatile defender who can guard all 4 positions like AG can. Plus he doesn't have the playmaking capabilities.

They're similar in that they are both good shooters from 3 and good defenders, but are limited at creating their own shots for themselves and others.

[Xatticus]

Tankathon updated their mocks. They have us taking RJ Hampton at #15. Devin Vassell going #16. Both of these players couldn't be more different in their games and upside, but I could get behind taking either of them. Vassell is obviously more proven and older. Hampton had so much hyper out of high school, but seems to have struggled a lot in Australia. But he's so young and his theoretical skillset as a big playmaker is interesting. He's more of a "swing for the fences"/"high risk, high reward" pick. Sort of like Michael Porter Jr. a couple years ago. Vassell feels like a Weltman/Hammond pick though. Good 3 point shooter and good defender. Probably limited upside, but that guy will probably stick in the league for 10+ years. And we could really use the shooting and defense in the back court.

I’d be ok with either of these guys. Vassell is probably closer to a WeHam guy.

Hampton is going to be better at creating offense.
Vassell is going to be the better 3-D guy.

I don't see it with Hampton. He has the physical tools to succeed, but the game is lacking. I just don't see plus shooting, finishing, or vision. His handles aren't great. He can get to the rim, but that's all about his first step and speed. He should be a good defender. There is upside there due to his athleticism and length, but you are gambling on a lot of development. He looks a lot like MCW to me.

[VFX]

Tankathon updated their mocks. They have us taking RJ Hampton at #15. Devin Vassell going #16. Both of these players couldn't be more different in their games and upside, but I could get behind taking either of them. Vassell is obviously more proven and older. Hampton had so much hyper out of high school, but seems to have struggled a lot in Australia. But he's so young and his theoretical skillset as a big playmaker is interesting. He's more of a "swing for the fences"/"high risk, high reward" pick. Sort of like Michael Porter Jr. a couple years ago. Vassell feels like a Weltman/Hammond pick though. Good 3 point shooter and good defender. Probably limited upside, but that guy will probably stick in the league for 10+ years. And we could really use the shooting and defense in the back court.

I’d be ok with either of these guys. Vassell is probably closer to a WeHam guy.

Hampton is going to be better at creating offense.
Vassell is going to be the better 3-D guy.

I don't see it with Hampton. He has the physical tools to succeed, but the game is lacking. I just don't see plus shooting, finishing, or vision. His handles aren't great. He can get to the rim, but that's all about his first step and speed. He should be a good defender. There is upside there due to his athleticism and length, but you are gambling on a lot of development. He looks a lot like MCW to me.

Out of the two I’d take Vassell. Fultz and Hampton together wouldn’t be a great duo.

[zaymon]

I also dont like Hampton. If you arent a good defender and shooter you better be very good with passing and driving to the rim. I dont see it with Hampton.
I think there is a big chance we will trade our pick this year, but if we remain in 7-8 spot there are some really nice long shooters out there.

[PrimeThyme]

They're similar in that they are both good shooters from 3 and good defenders, but are limited at creating their own shots for themselves and others.

Yeah, that's the typical 3&D prototype. I do think Vassell has some real potential as a shot creator though, more so than Chuma. I've seen it throughout this season. I'm not sure if it will ever develop into something we see on a consistent basis but I've seen more potential in that area then I even did with Isaac.

Sadly, I feel like he's really going to keep rising up draft boards like we predicted earlier in the season. It's such a weak class that I don't see how someone with his skill set isn't a locked and loaded top 15 pick.

[The Effect]

Aaron Nesmith.. Guy can flat out shoot that ball.

and he is 6'6 with a 6'10 winspan and not a liability on defense. If Herro was a lottery pick, why Nesmith is projected to go outside ? Becouse of Herro pull up shooting ? I dont quite get it, i have him in the lottery on my big board.

I'm sure he will start climbing up the draft board soon. He is too efficient right now not to be in the lottery already.

this has to be our guy if available

[yoyojw17]

https://247sports.com/college/vanderbilt/Article/Jerry-Stackhouse-Aaron-Nesmiths-exit-not-a-foregone-conclusion-144674249/

Uh uhhhhhh stackhouse.... don't be messing with my dreams! lol

That "not a finish product" thing makes me want him on this team even more.

[Skin]

Vassell is the shooting guard version of Chuma Okeke

I don't see it

[tiderulz]

https://247sports.com/college/vanderbilt/Article/Jerry-Stackhouse-Aaron-Nesmiths-exit-not-a-foregone-conclusion-144674249/

Uh uhhhhhh stackhouse.... don't be messing with my dreams! lol

That "not a finish product" thing makes me want him on this team even more.

stackhouse been a bit of a disaster at Vandy this year. granted, Vandy has been bad a few years now